KTM sells more 250/300 two strokes than anything

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Fearo 8/4/2016 7:14am
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Am I the only one who noticed this gem in his diatribe........."Stankdog on a cheater 125" I'd love to hear the explanation for this from this...
Am I the only one who noticed this gem in his diatribe........."Stankdog on a cheater 125"

I'd love to hear the explanation for this from this obviously qualified expert on the subject.

All I expect are crickets, though.
Also "lucky to qualify for half of the mains".

LOL. He has qualified easily for every main he made except 2(?). And is right there fighting for points when the actual racing starts.
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Frodad78 8/4/2016 7:28am
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Must be the same cheater bike that Reynard is racing. Huh

No way a smelly, dirty plug, vibrating 125 can hang with 4 strokes.
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Frodad78 wrote:
Must be the same cheater bike that Reynard is racing. Huh

No way a smelly, dirty plug, vibrating 125 can hang with 4 strokes.
25+ is a open class from my understanding.
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Frodad78 8/4/2016 8:21am
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Frodad78 wrote:
Must be the same cheater bike that Reynard is racing. Huh

No way a smelly, dirty plug, vibrating 125 can hang with 4 strokes.
Markee wrote:
25+ is a open class from my understanding.
Sarcasm bro Wink

They confirmed its a stock YZ125.

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BobPA 8/4/2016 8:35am
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I'll bet you $100 he is not running a cheater...
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Mostly chics like Peelout are purchasing those bikes.....
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wreckitrandy 8/4/2016 9:33am
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Matthes just needs to hear the bike to tell if it's a cheater.....Whistling
DrinkMoreWater 8/4/2016 10:11am
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Well, I would bet the absence of 2-strokes from the other manufacturers was absorbed by KTM. If the Big 4 made 2-strokes, I wonder what KTM...
Well, I would bet the absence of 2-strokes from the other manufacturers was absorbed by KTM. If the Big 4 made 2-strokes, I wonder what KTM 2-stroke sales would be?
I currently ride a KTM150 as a Kawasaki dude, if they made a new KX125/150/250 id be on one for sure.
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The Rock 8/4/2016 10:33am
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BobPA wrote:
I've got nothing haha. But I hold as much credibility as this clown claiming he knows all in this thread
Which clown might that be?
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The Rock 8/4/2016 10:36am
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i have gone back to racing a 08 KX125 from a 2015 KX450, i am quicker in a 6 lap race on the 125 and are...
i have gone back to racing a 08 KX125 from a 2015 KX450, i am quicker in a 6 lap race on the 125 and are fnishing better, it may be because i am unfit and teh 450 wears me out quicker, but man it is fun going round the outside of guys on big $$ 450's with all the bling, on a bike i paid 2500k for 4 years ago,
Great story.

Hey when are you and the boys going to come see me? Don't have the van (AKA The Kevorkian) over here :-) but I can fit four or five of you in my Avalon.
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scott_nz 8/4/2016 11:45am
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i have gone back to racing a 08 KX125 from a 2015 KX450, i am quicker in a 6 lap race on the 125 and are...
i have gone back to racing a 08 KX125 from a 2015 KX450, i am quicker in a 6 lap race on the 125 and are fnishing better, it may be because i am unfit and teh 450 wears me out quicker, but man it is fun going round the outside of guys on big $$ 450's with all the bling, on a bike i paid 2500k for 4 years ago,
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Great story. Hey when are you and the boys going to come see me? Don't have the van (AKA The Kevorkian) over here :-) but I...
Great story.

Hey when are you and the boys going to come see me? Don't have the van (AKA The Kevorkian) over here :-) but I can fit four or five of you in my Avalon.
Cheers Rock, hope all is well, the 125 is really fun to ride and i am beating guys i have not got near in 5 years,

we have been talking about needing another big trip again, but i am thinking of a motorcycle tour of Vietnam next year, with out any kiwi's racing in america at the moment its does not really pull me back there,
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Frodad78 wrote:
Must be the same cheater bike that Reynard is racing. Huh

No way a smelly, dirty plug, vibrating 125 can hang with 4 strokes.
Smelly? My woman thinks my exhaust smells like perfume.

Way better than my farts thats for sure.
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kkawboy14 8/4/2016 12:02pm
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Don't you guys love it when beginner riders have to get a 450 because they don't want a slow bike like the 125 or 250?
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CensorshipSux 8/4/2016 12:10pm
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Well if they are 200+ lbs they dont have a lot of options.
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I personally don't read MXA, so I'm not 100% sure what the article Rock is quoting says to a T, but I know what numbers their referencing because I had this conversation at a KTM this year.

The 250/300 thing was an engine comment... KTM's largest produced engine is currently the 250/300 two-stroke, as they count that as one engine when it comes to numbers. The second largest engine produced (just barely behind the 250/300 2t) is the 350 four-stroke.

The 250/300 2t is produced for somewhere around 14 models between KTM and Husqvarna, while the 350 is made for about 8...maybe 9 models across the two brands. When the total number of each engine built is divided by the models it's put in, the 350 is the best seller.

In the US, it's definitely not the top seller, but in quite a few countries throughout Europe it is due to the multiple off-road models available of the 250/300.

As for the comment on who produces the most "off-road motorcycles", I believe that Honda and Yamaha are producing more still. With off-road, your counting in adventure bike models, entry level bikes, dual sport, moto, off-road/xc, etc. Which when you add those all together, both Yamaha and Honda do have quite the offerings of models... some high volume ones at that.

Lastly, Yamaha has claimed in their latest PR launches that they're currently the highest selling 450 motocross model in the US, the highest selling 250 motocross model, and the highest selling 250 XC segment (their 250FX they claim outsold the KTM 250XC-F in it's first year for sale)... while their 450FX hasn't quite been available for a full model year, yet.
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ML512 8/4/2016 12:30pm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
Mostly chics like Peelout are purchasing those bikes.....
They're all dirtbikes... why can't we just get along, and not be like kkawboy?
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So it seems to me that buyer's in the market for dirt bikes could care less what the Alphabet Racing Series deems to be the mandated bike and have chosen 2t's and mid sized 4t's as their preference: (at least with KTM and Beta).

So the free market system is working, and consumer's rule with their wallet's speaking.

It's also fun to note that due to the success in "niche" markets, KTM made enough profit to beat the AMA, FIM, MIC, etc. at their own game, namely the Premier 450 4t race series.

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inthebadboycorner 8/4/2016 1:30pm
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Sorry, so just to get this straight after four pages all we can agree apon is that most think Quad's suck!
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Sorry, so just to get this straight after four pages all we can agree apon is that most think Quad's suck!
Summarized well.
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JW381 8/4/2016 4:55pm
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Fuck, I wanna ride a 300 sx so badly.
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I don't think anyone is denying that 4 strokes especially the 450 out perform the 2 stroke MX options.
That's because the rules are fucked. Why the hell should a 125 race a 250?

They made the rules when the 250f was heavy, slow and unreliable. I think it's time to update the damn rule book.
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ML512 wrote:
I personally don't read MXA, so I'm not 100% sure what the article Rock is quoting says to a T, but I know what numbers their...
I personally don't read MXA, so I'm not 100% sure what the article Rock is quoting says to a T, but I know what numbers their referencing because I had this conversation at a KTM this year.

The 250/300 thing was an engine comment... KTM's largest produced engine is currently the 250/300 two-stroke, as they count that as one engine when it comes to numbers. The second largest engine produced (just barely behind the 250/300 2t) is the 350 four-stroke.

The 250/300 2t is produced for somewhere around 14 models between KTM and Husqvarna, while the 350 is made for about 8...maybe 9 models across the two brands. When the total number of each engine built is divided by the models it's put in, the 350 is the best seller.

In the US, it's definitely not the top seller, but in quite a few countries throughout Europe it is due to the multiple off-road models available of the 250/300.

As for the comment on who produces the most "off-road motorcycles", I believe that Honda and Yamaha are producing more still. With off-road, your counting in adventure bike models, entry level bikes, dual sport, moto, off-road/xc, etc. Which when you add those all together, both Yamaha and Honda do have quite the offerings of models... some high volume ones at that.

Lastly, Yamaha has claimed in their latest PR launches that they're currently the highest selling 450 motocross model in the US, the highest selling 250 motocross model, and the highest selling 250 XC segment (their 250FX they claim outsold the KTM 250XC-F in it's first year for sale)... while their 450FX hasn't quite been available for a full model year, yet.
Thanks for the 411. You should check out MXA sometime. Even people who don't race can enjoy the technical articles :-)
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Sorry, so just to get this straight after four pages all we can agree apon is that most think Quad's suck!
We is too many people!
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The Rock wrote:
Thanks for the 411. You should check out MXA sometime. Even people who don't race can enjoy the technical articles :-)
I read quite a few of the Moto magazines, but when my interest falls off I switch over to auto magazines... I have a subscription to Racer X and Transworld (pretty sure Donn did that, I don't remember signing up)... I buy others based on what's in them per month. As for technical articles, I rarely find anything that's new to me... I typically ask more technical questions than anyone at press launches.Laughing
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ML512 8/5/2016 7:32am
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inthebadboycorner wrote:
Sorry, so just to get this straight after four pages all we can agree apon is that most think Quad's suck!
CensorshipSux wrote:
We is too many people!
#NukeTheQuads...
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DrinkMoreWater wrote:
I don't think anyone is denying that 4 strokes especially the 450 out perform the 2 stroke MX options.
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That's because the rules are fucked. Why the hell should a 125 race a 250? They made the rules when the 250f was heavy, slow and...
That's because the rules are fucked. Why the hell should a 125 race a 250?

They made the rules when the 250f was heavy, slow and unreliable. I think it's time to update the damn rule book.
X2, 250 2 strokes are competitive when they race other 250s. New 450s are approaching hp numbers near the kx and cr500s, so why should a 250 2t race a 450?

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