Who's excited for Yamaha to get back in the 65 business

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I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his kid got hurt and was unable to do so.

I was just at the Yamaha shop today and I ask one of the sales rep there and he confirmed it. Yamaha is diffently coming out with a YZ 65 and they can be out as early as September of this year. The reason they haven't come out with the other 2017 model because it's still in the R&D phase. I can not wait when my son moves up to a 65, he diffently going to be on blue when that time comes. I also ask about a possible 50 cc motocross bike and they said there is no plan for one. There sticking with the PW 50.
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Still in R&D but will be released to public by September? That would be a miracle.

Also, salesmen at dealerships are generally the most clueless folks in the motorcycle industry, especially when it comes to MX bikes.
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At the Yamaha event I attended a few weeks ago, there was talk floating around that there's a 65...

They did say at the end of the event that there would be further model announcements later this year (dirt and street)...
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That would be awesome, but then again I've been hearing about a YZ 150F for years now with no results.

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I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his...
I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his kid got hurt and was unable to do so.

I was just at the Yamaha shop today and I ask one of the sales rep there and he confirmed it. Yamaha is diffently coming out with a YZ 65 and they can be out as early as September of this year. The reason they haven't come out with the other 2017 model because it's still in the R&D phase. I can not wait when my son moves up to a 65, he diffently going to be on blue when that time comes. I also ask about a possible 50 cc motocross bike and they said there is no plan for one. There sticking with the PW 50.
I think there a better chance of a 65 coming out then a 150. If they made a 150 that would take away from there 125 line up and you can bore a 125 to a 144. So it would not be very cost affective for Yamaha.
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I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his...
I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his kid got hurt and was unable to do so.

I was just at the Yamaha shop today and I ask one of the sales rep there and he confirmed it. Yamaha is diffently coming out with a YZ 65 and they can be out as early as September of this year. The reason they haven't come out with the other 2017 model because it's still in the R&D phase. I can not wait when my son moves up to a 65, he diffently going to be on blue when that time comes. I also ask about a possible 50 cc motocross bike and they said there is no plan for one. There sticking with the PW 50.
That might be true but my son has a couple more years in the 50 class. Regardless when they come out its nice to know that when it is time for my son to move up he will be on a blue bike and Yamaha is known for its reliability.
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i would love to see Yamaha update the 125 motor and keep up with the ktm, . the rest of the bike is awesome
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I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his...
I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his kid got hurt and was unable to do so.

I was just at the Yamaha shop today and I ask one of the sales rep there and he confirmed it. Yamaha is diffently coming out with a YZ 65 and they can be out as early as September of this year. The reason they haven't come out with the other 2017 model because it's still in the R&D phase. I can not wait when my son moves up to a 65, he diffently going to be on blue when that time comes. I also ask about a possible 50 cc motocross bike and they said there is no plan for one. There sticking with the PW 50.
I think there a better chance of a 65 coming out then a 150. If they made a 150 that would take away from there 125...
I think there a better chance of a 65 coming out then a 150. If they made a 150 that would take away from there 125 line up and you can bore a 125 to a 144. So it would not be very cost affective for Yamaha.
Pretty sure hes referring to a yz150f to compete with the crf150 in the supermini class and not a 150 2 stroke.
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At 6' 6", 270 lbs and swelling daily, to be honest, I'm not all that thrilled about it.
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I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his...
I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his kid got hurt and was unable to do so.

I was just at the Yamaha shop today and I ask one of the sales rep there and he confirmed it. Yamaha is diffently coming out with a YZ 65 and they can be out as early as September of this year. The reason they haven't come out with the other 2017 model because it's still in the R&D phase. I can not wait when my son moves up to a 65, he diffently going to be on blue when that time comes. I also ask about a possible 50 cc motocross bike and they said there is no plan for one. There sticking with the PW 50.
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KTM has set the bar pretty high in the 65 class. I would think Yamaha would make some serious updates to their 85 before entering the 65 market.
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Yamaha appears to be the only company willing to improve and compete with KTM.
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I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his...
I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his kid got hurt and was unable to do so.

I was just at the Yamaha shop today and I ask one of the sales rep there and he confirmed it. Yamaha is diffently coming out with a YZ 65 and they can be out as early as September of this year. The reason they haven't come out with the other 2017 model because it's still in the R&D phase. I can not wait when my son moves up to a 65, he diffently going to be on blue when that time comes. I also ask about a possible 50 cc motocross bike and they said there is no plan for one. There sticking with the PW 50.
Yamaha had a 150f. Wisely, determined that was a bad idea. Wayy before Honda. Love the smaller bore classes but the market these days, would be a loss leader, at best.
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I wish this sport would dump the hot 50. The hot 50 is a huge part of this sports decline on the local level. 10 yrs ago the PW50 class was awesome. You could take jr racing for $500-$800. Now it is 3 grand. Nobody is willing to check this sport out because of this.

As far as a YZ65? it is to late in the game for them to bother. KTM and Kawi have what is left of that market covered.
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I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his...
I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his kid got hurt and was unable to do so.

I was just at the Yamaha shop today and I ask one of the sales rep there and he confirmed it. Yamaha is diffently coming out with a YZ 65 and they can be out as early as September of this year. The reason they haven't come out with the other 2017 model because it's still in the R&D phase. I can not wait when my son moves up to a 65, he diffently going to be on blue when that time comes. I also ask about a possible 50 cc motocross bike and they said there is no plan for one. There sticking with the PW 50.
kzizok wrote:
Yamaha had a 150f. Wisely, determined that was a bad idea. Wayy before Honda. Love the smaller bore classes but the market these days, would be...
Yamaha had a 150f. Wisely, determined that was a bad idea. Wayy before Honda. Love the smaller bore classes but the market these days, would be a loss leader, at best.
Yamaha was messing about with mini 4-stroke back in around 02 at it's earliest stage... There were multiple cc sizes during this development, but they never pulled the trigger as there wasn't a ruling for cc size in AMA amateur at that time. Honda pulled the trigger at 150, and lost out when it was deemed too much to play against 85s in many official classes (I believe the AMA final ruling was 125cc four-stroke for the 85 class). Maybe someone could chime in with the current class structure for Lorettas...
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RMZ# wrote:
I wish this sport would dump the hot 50. The hot 50 is a huge part of this sports decline on the local level. 10 yrs...
I wish this sport would dump the hot 50. The hot 50 is a huge part of this sports decline on the local level. 10 yrs ago the PW50 class was awesome. You could take jr racing for $500-$800. Now it is 3 grand. Nobody is willing to check this sport out because of this.

As far as a YZ65? it is to late in the game for them to bother. KTM and Kawi have what is left of that market covered.
Very good point. But it's been that way for a lot longer than 10 yrs. Cobra has been around over 20 yrs now.
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I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his...
I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his kid got hurt and was unable to do so.

I was just at the Yamaha shop today and I ask one of the sales rep there and he confirmed it. Yamaha is diffently coming out with a YZ 65 and they can be out as early as September of this year. The reason they haven't come out with the other 2017 model because it's still in the R&D phase. I can not wait when my son moves up to a 65, he diffently going to be on blue when that time comes. I also ask about a possible 50 cc motocross bike and they said there is no plan for one. There sticking with the PW 50.
Frikkin Andy, you would look awesome on a 65!!! Hahaha
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RMZ# wrote:
I wish this sport would dump the hot 50. The hot 50 is a huge part of this sports decline on the local level. 10 yrs...
I wish this sport would dump the hot 50. The hot 50 is a huge part of this sports decline on the local level. 10 yrs ago the PW50 class was awesome. You could take jr racing for $500-$800. Now it is 3 grand. Nobody is willing to check this sport out because of this.

As far as a YZ65? it is to late in the game for them to bother. KTM and Kawi have what is left of that market covered.
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Very good point. But it's been that way for a lot longer than 10 yrs. Cobra has been around over 20 yrs now.
My daughter says she wants to race.

I'm thinking Cobra 65.
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I hope they do it, any new R&D/new bike is a good thing however, WTF is up with the 85 being 20 years old then? Sure they have done some little things to it but its still got a single shroud! At least take that class seriously and give the KX/SX85 a serious competitor. Then bore the thing out and make a big wheel 100 while your at it.

Its worthless to get kids on a 65 only to have their parents dump the brand because the KX/SX 85/100 are so much stronger than the YZ85.
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I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his...
I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his kid got hurt and was unable to do so.

I was just at the Yamaha shop today and I ask one of the sales rep there and he confirmed it. Yamaha is diffently coming out with a YZ 65 and they can be out as early as September of this year. The reason they haven't come out with the other 2017 model because it's still in the R&D phase. I can not wait when my son moves up to a 65, he diffently going to be on blue when that time comes. I also ask about a possible 50 cc motocross bike and they said there is no plan for one. There sticking with the PW 50.
Frikkin Andy, you would look awesome on a 65!!! Hahaha
Lol Ya, thanks Bob. Actually rode a friend's Kwacker 65 years ago, it was his boy's. Did one lap on the peewee track. Don't think awesome is the term that was appropriate. Comical, is more like it, at best.
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Sheeeit....I already have a YZ60....





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ML512 wrote:
Yamaha was messing about with mini 4-stroke back in around 02 at it's earliest stage... There were multiple cc sizes during this development, but they never...
Yamaha was messing about with mini 4-stroke back in around 02 at it's earliest stage... There were multiple cc sizes during this development, but they never pulled the trigger as there wasn't a ruling for cc size in AMA amateur at that time. Honda pulled the trigger at 150, and lost out when it was deemed too much to play against 85s in many official classes (I believe the AMA final ruling was 125cc four-stroke for the 85 class). Maybe someone could chime in with the current class structure for Lorettas...
I think the long set 4t to 2t ratio for the 80/85 class ( like the 540 was in the 250 class for many years in the US) was 125cc for a 4t.

Honda, believing they could set new rules themselves ( and they succeeded in many jurisdictions) went for 150cc, near to the ratio set by the 450 4t v 250 2t rules. Thankfully , in many jurisdictions, it was not allowed, or was later, disallowed.

There are few things more piss poor / pathetic, than seeing the 'Manufacturers Trophy' being presented to Honda representatives on the podium for the Honda 150 cup races, at the GPs. Some of the receivers of that farcical trophy, have rather sheepish looks as they receive it. Talk about promoters sucking up to a company....... Mind you, the series represents incredible value, both money wise (costs) and rider exposure wise, for the competitors. There are some benefits from a company creating their own racing class Woohoo Whistling

As to Yamaha doing a new 65 - well how could it be anything other than good news? Another viable alternative to the KTMs, Kawasakis and Cobras would be a great addition.
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I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his...
I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his kid got hurt and was unable to do so.

I was just at the Yamaha shop today and I ask one of the sales rep there and he confirmed it. Yamaha is diffently coming out with a YZ 65 and they can be out as early as September of this year. The reason they haven't come out with the other 2017 model because it's still in the R&D phase. I can not wait when my son moves up to a 65, he diffently going to be on blue when that time comes. I also ask about a possible 50 cc motocross bike and they said there is no plan for one. There sticking with the PW 50.
I agree. The 85 is old. Who would want to transition from a technologically new 65 model to a YZ85 relic? Plus , the market for 65's is small and the cost to design a bike from scratch is high. Yamaha already has an 85 and even if they updated it, it wouldn't cost nearly as much as R & D on a new model built from the ground up. Weirder things have happened but I cant think of a scenario that would benefit Yamaha by bringing out e 65.
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I think it would be cool for yamaha to come put with a 65 along with honda and suzuki to try and keep junior on the same brand coming up through the ranks. I cant believe that yamaha, honda, and suzuki have gone this long without updating their 85s tho. At least give the bikes looks a complete makeover. That alone will get people to buy one of their bikes.
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There is a reason 65 and 85 races across the country are a sea of orange and green.
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I think it would be cool for yamaha to come put with a 65 along with honda and suzuki to try and keep junior on the...
I think it would be cool for yamaha to come put with a 65 along with honda and suzuki to try and keep junior on the same brand coming up through the ranks. I cant believe that yamaha, honda, and suzuki have gone this long without updating their 85s tho. At least give the bikes looks a complete makeover. That alone will get people to buy one of their bikes.
Honda will Never make another 2 stroke
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TeamGreen wrote:
My daughter says she wants to race.

I'm thinking Cobra 65.
Good thought on paper. Until you realize I bought a mint Kawi 125 for 1/3 (One Third) of the price of a cobra 65....
7/4/2016 7:36am
ML512 wrote:
At the Yamaha event I attended a few weeks ago, there was talk floating around that there's a 65... They did say at the end of...
At the Yamaha event I attended a few weeks ago, there was talk floating around that there's a 65...

They did say at the end of the event that there would be further model announcements later this year (dirt and street)...
Complete 2st revamp and new 65 is what I heard a while ago
7/4/2016 7:40am
RMZ# wrote:
I wish this sport would dump the hot 50. The hot 50 is a huge part of this sports decline on the local level. 10 yrs...
I wish this sport would dump the hot 50. The hot 50 is a huge part of this sports decline on the local level. 10 yrs ago the PW50 class was awesome. You could take jr racing for $500-$800. Now it is 3 grand. Nobody is willing to check this sport out because of this.

As far as a YZ65? it is to late in the game for them to bother. KTM and Kawi have what is left of that market covered.
I wonder if that's what Kawi thought when introducing the KX60 back in 84 against the YZ60.
I wonder if that's what KTM thought when introducing the KTM65 against the established KX65
Your never to late to the game. Unless it finished ;-)
7/4/2016 7:47am
I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his...
I was talking to a guy at one of the local tracks and his son was suppose to be testing Yamahas R&D YZ 65. Unfotantly his kid got hurt and was unable to do so.

I was just at the Yamaha shop today and I ask one of the sales rep there and he confirmed it. Yamaha is diffently coming out with a YZ 65 and they can be out as early as September of this year. The reason they haven't come out with the other 2017 model because it's still in the R&D phase. I can not wait when my son moves up to a 65, he diffently going to be on blue when that time comes. I also ask about a possible 50 cc motocross bike and they said there is no plan for one. There sticking with the PW 50.
That's true. It's funny I talk to doctors and they go my kid wands to race dirtbikes what's it cost ? I'm like oh anywhere from $3000-$8500 for a new bike"

"Oh that's entirely to expensive." I laugh and I'm like don't you drive a Porsche ?

If people with 265,000 a year plus income think it's expensive they must think the small fish making 40,000-65,000 a year and racing are probably insane.


Would be cool to see more 65s in the market. And at a competitive rate. It's seems it is so hard to get new people in he sport. Ciancarulo parents never raced. Hard to find parents to commit to that!


Time will tell. Someone mentioned changing the the yz85 before they explore the 65. Probably a great idea.

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