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The F-XX and Next Generation Bomber should be cool to see when they are reveiled. The F-XX is supposed to be both manned and unmanned, and they have been talking about being able to deploy troops to any location on earth within 1 hour with some sort of craft, which may be the NGB or it may be that new shuttle that Boeing has been working on.

Did you guys know that the B-52 will be in service for 100 years when it is finally decomisioned?

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A quick physics lesson:

Velocity = speed with a specific direction

Acceleration = any change in velocity.

1G = the acceleration of Earth's gravitational influence at the surface.

2G = an acceleration equal to two times Earth's influence.

Force = Acceleration multiplied by mass. A 2Kg mass will impact the Earth with twice the force that a 1Kg mass would when dropped from the same height. The Earth exerts a gravitational pull on you and your shoes push against the Earth with an equal but opposite force. The force is your body mass multiplied by the acceleration of gravity. You experience this force as body weight.


To address some of the questions in here, Mach 8 would feel no different to a pilot than 200 MPH or 2MPH, assuming he was cruising at that speed. Any velocity is relative to the observer's frame of reference. Now, accelerating up to Mach 8 would be fun - it would either take a long time or it would be a hell of a ride! As far as a pilot's reactions would go, the aircraft would cover a lot of ground before the pilot could make any changes to his course.
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Falcon wrote:
A quick physics lesson: Velocity = speed with a specific direction Acceleration = any change in velocity. 1G = the acceleration of Earth's gravitational influence at...
A quick physics lesson:

Velocity = speed with a specific direction

Acceleration = any change in velocity.

1G = the acceleration of Earth's gravitational influence at the surface.

2G = an acceleration equal to two times Earth's influence.

Force = Acceleration multiplied by mass. A 2Kg mass will impact the Earth with twice the force that a 1Kg mass would when dropped from the same height. The Earth exerts a gravitational pull on you and your shoes push against the Earth with an equal but opposite force. The force is your body mass multiplied by the acceleration of gravity. You experience this force as body weight.


To address some of the questions in here, Mach 8 would feel no different to a pilot than 200 MPH or 2MPH, assuming he was cruising at that speed. Any velocity is relative to the observer's frame of reference. Now, accelerating up to Mach 8 would be fun - it would either take a long time or it would be a hell of a ride! As far as a pilot's reactions would go, the aircraft would cover a lot of ground before the pilot could make any changes to his course.
Theory of relativity. General not space time.
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kzizok 6/10/2016 3:32pm
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Yeah, but sometimes you need to build a works bike to prove you can
More than anything, you have to have backups. All satellites are disabled (I do mean all)? OK, we will deploy our AWACS and SR-72's. Now we have our own mobile radar and we can recon anything and be back to the safety of home soil. That would leave the majority of all non- allies scrambling to develop a plan. It would already be too late.
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Homey55 wrote:
The F-XX and Next Generation Bomber should be cool to see when they are reveiled. The F-XX is supposed to be both manned and unmanned, and...
The F-XX and Next Generation Bomber should be cool to see when they are reveiled. The F-XX is supposed to be both manned and unmanned, and they have been talking about being able to deploy troops to any location on earth within 1 hour with some sort of craft, which may be the NGB or it may be that new shuttle that Boeing has been working on.

Did you guys know that the B-52 will be in service for 100 years when it is finally decomisioned?
100 years? Boeing and the others have a big presence here at the AFB. It is heavy on bombers, AWACS etc. Going to the east side of the base you can see some weird stuff. im not that stupid, I realize if I see them they aren't really secret but there is stuff Ive seen, cant explain what they are and cant find info or data on, to my best ability.
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G-man 6/10/2016 3:52pm
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A few years ago my cousin's daughter got married in a cool little town of McMinnville Oregon unbeknownst to me this is also the home of the Evergreen Air and Space Museum.

Thanks to my lucky stars it turned out it also was the home of my favorite plane the SR-71 and also the enormous Spruce Goose.

As I mentioned earlier both these historic aircraft were designed by the geniuses--Kelly Johnson and Howard Hughes.

Matter of fact my first Aviation job was at Lockheed and my second one was at Hughes and I worked in the building where the Spruce Goose was built.
There was a lot of history there and I used to like to talk to a lot of the old-timers and hear some of their stories of Howard.

Here are a few pictures while I was touring around.

While they're not that good it can give you an idea of the enormity of the Spruce Goose.

The one picture INSIDE the fuselage that has the balls in it were actually filled with air and the aircraft had a lot of them to help it remains buoyant.
Also shown are five separate hydraulic systems that were used as backup systems if one failed.

I knew I had arrived at the right place when I pulled up and there was a 747 on top of the building! Woohoo



















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G-man 6/10/2016 4:12pm
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My how far we have come, but here are a couple of old beauties Smile




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G man, that is awesome! Thanks for posting that.
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kzizok wrote:
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that...
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that there is too much smoke to deny that an Aurora like plane isnt out there. Current theory is saying it to be around mach 8 upwards of 8 thousand mph (of course some sort of SCRAM). Not so sure about all that but there are satillite con trails that are visible from Nevada to Russia and China. The pulse wave con trail is continous and suggests a speed of around 8K MPH. Any thoughts?
Whoa I haven't been there since they added an SR71! I will have to make a trip asap!
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JW381 6/10/2016 5:08pm
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kzizok wrote:
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that...
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that there is too much smoke to deny that an Aurora like plane isnt out there. Current theory is saying it to be around mach 8 upwards of 8 thousand mph (of course some sort of SCRAM). Not so sure about all that but there are satillite con trails that are visible from Nevada to Russia and China. The pulse wave con trail is continous and suggests a speed of around 8K MPH. Any thoughts?
The story I heard on the naming was that LBJ accidentally referred to it as an SR71 in a public speech, and thus it was re named to avoid embarrassing the president. I have no clue if that is even remotely true, though.
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kzizok 6/10/2016 5:16pm
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kzizok wrote:
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that...
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that there is too much smoke to deny that an Aurora like plane isnt out there. Current theory is saying it to be around mach 8 upwards of 8 thousand mph (of course some sort of SCRAM). Not so sure about all that but there are satillite con trails that are visible from Nevada to Russia and China. The pulse wave con trail is continous and suggests a speed of around 8K MPH. Any thoughts?
JW381 wrote:
The story I heard on the naming was that LBJ accidentally referred to it as an SR71 in a public speech, and thus it was re...
The story I heard on the naming was that LBJ accidentally referred to it as an SR71 in a public speech, and thus it was re named to avoid embarrassing the president. I have no clue if that is even remotely true, though.
Yeah, that is exactly what I heard but just couldnt remember the details at the time. They are RS because of the meaning of each letter. Like R=Recon & S=Spy, or something like that.
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JW381 6/10/2016 5:28pm
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kzizok wrote:
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that...
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that there is too much smoke to deny that an Aurora like plane isnt out there. Current theory is saying it to be around mach 8 upwards of 8 thousand mph (of course some sort of SCRAM). Not so sure about all that but there are satillite con trails that are visible from Nevada to Russia and China. The pulse wave con trail is continous and suggests a speed of around 8K MPH. Any thoughts?
JW381 wrote:
The story I heard on the naming was that LBJ accidentally referred to it as an SR71 in a public speech, and thus it was re...
The story I heard on the naming was that LBJ accidentally referred to it as an SR71 in a public speech, and thus it was re named to avoid embarrassing the president. I have no clue if that is even remotely true, though.
kzizok wrote:
Yeah, that is exactly what I heard but just couldnt remember the details at the time. They are RS because of the meaning of each letter...
Yeah, that is exactly what I heard but just couldnt remember the details at the time. They are RS because of the meaning of each letter. Like R=Recon & S=Spy, or something like that.
Yeah the order of the letters is pretty irrelevant, but the story is still interesting. I kind of doubt it's legitimacy though.
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Hey nice pics G-Man, my Father-In-Law also worked for Hughes in SoCal and then spun off with the division of CSC (Computer Science Corporation). All he could tell me was he did stuff with rockets.

BTW both of those planes are badass.
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kzizok 6/11/2016 1:45am
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JW381 wrote:
Yeah the order of the letters is pretty irrelevant, but the story is still interesting. I kind of doubt it's legitimacy though.
You know, I think the LBJ thing actually has some teeth to it. Lots of corroborating evidence out there. But who knows, for sure?
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Sunhouse 6/11/2016 5:52am
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Fun fact: the titanium in the SR71 came from the Soviet Union for the most part, bought through bogus companies for the US.
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CDswinehart 6/11/2016 6:07am
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Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine covers a lot of this discussion. Seems quite a bit of work being done on hypersonic, unmanned so far. Looks like the U-2 platform may get a life extension.

Isn't that an A-12 at the Seattle museum? Remember a visit there years ago the director told us (as a condition for having it on display) the plane had to be available sitting outside the building within 24 hours after notice.

There's also an A-12 on a pedestal at Langley. Really like those Kelly Johnson designs....
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JW381 wrote:
The story I heard on the naming was that LBJ accidentally referred to it as an SR71 in a public speech, and thus it was re...
The story I heard on the naming was that LBJ accidentally referred to it as an SR71 in a public speech, and thus it was re named to avoid embarrassing the president. I have no clue if that is even remotely true, though.
kzizok wrote:
Yeah, that is exactly what I heard but just couldnt remember the details at the time. They are RS because of the meaning of each letter...
Yeah, that is exactly what I heard but just couldnt remember the details at the time. They are RS because of the meaning of each letter. Like R=Recon & S=Spy, or something like that.
JW381 wrote:
Yeah the order of the letters is pretty irrelevant, but the story is still interesting. I kind of doubt it's legitimacy though.
It is true, and there is a vid of LBJ making the mistake.
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kzizok 6/11/2016 9:01am
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I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that...
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that there is too much smoke to deny that an Aurora like plane isnt out there. Current theory is saying it to be around mach 8 upwards of 8 thousand mph (of course some sort of SCRAM). Not so sure about all that but there are satillite con trails that are visible from Nevada to Russia and China. The pulse wave con trail is continous and suggests a speed of around 8K MPH. Any thoughts?
Ive watched and read about the Blackbird. I think I read about the titanium from USSR just the other day. Cool stuff!

The link that MXR provided is nothing short of fascinating. So many things go on that we never think/know of. Thr pilot was describing how they would take the SR up to soviet air space on purpose. They would get so close that the soviets would activate missiles. Once that happened we could get their locations, electronically somehow. Once we got what we wanted they turned and punched the Lockheed. My explanation/interpretation doesn't do it justice at all, so it is cool to listen to.
Andy_Greenney 6/11/2016 10:39am
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SR71 certainly is an incredible aircraft. Is manned reconicense required any longer? Surely if satellites can't do the job an unmanned aircraft could?
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The future is all drones, the human element is holding performance back too much. It also takes up ridiculous amounts of space and addeded weight that is simply not needed.

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kzizok 6/11/2016 3:42pm
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kzizok wrote:
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that...
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that there is too much smoke to deny that an Aurora like plane isnt out there. Current theory is saying it to be around mach 8 upwards of 8 thousand mph (of course some sort of SCRAM). Not so sure about all that but there are satillite con trails that are visible from Nevada to Russia and China. The pulse wave con trail is continous and suggests a speed of around 8K MPH. Any thoughts?
The Aurora project w/SR 72 is unmanned.
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G-man 6/12/2016 9:50pm
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kzizok wrote:
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that...
I realize this is unknown at this time but the SR-71 started development almost 20 years before many really knew of its existence. It seems that there is too much smoke to deny that an Aurora like plane isnt out there. Current theory is saying it to be around mach 8 upwards of 8 thousand mph (of course some sort of SCRAM). Not so sure about all that but there are satillite con trails that are visible from Nevada to Russia and China. The pulse wave con trail is continous and suggests a speed of around 8K MPH. Any thoughts?
Yes it was a really cool Air and Space Museum. Because it was an unexpected surprise I did not really plan for it and we kind of had to rush through it.

I could have spent all day in there.

And you're right that link that MXR provided was awesome.
I watched the whole 58 minute video.

Brian Schul was lucky to survive the crash in Vietnam and then to come back and fly the Blackbird and have the vision to know to take pictures of the once-in-a-lifetime aircraft.

His comrades scoffed at him like what are you doing, why are you taking all these picture?

Well it turned out to be a very smart move on his part.
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G-man 6/12/2016 9:59pm
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http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/
Oh man thanks for that link there is a lot of cool info in there I can never get enough of the Blackbird! Woohoo

To think this aircraft was designed before computers.

It was done on drafting boards, old school style.















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kzizok 6/13/2016 1:19am
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That pic of the cockpit is mind blowing! I just cant wrap my head around what all of the switches could possibly do.
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M-M 6/13/2016 5:32am
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Do they only showcase a blackproject plane when it's been exposed or coming to retirement?

Personally can't wait to see the SR91 or TR-3.
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motoxracer723 6/13/2016 2:09pm
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It's true about the mind blowing possibilities of the 'black projects' currently. If the SR was designed, built, and operational in the 1960's the stuff that could be floating around today would seem like pure magic.
I shake my head in frustration that we can't gain access or more info on it.
Tinfoil hat aside the USA could come up with some pretty interesting/scary stuff with 50years and an open checkbook from us taxpayers...
Sad that the money was mostly turned inward (spying) instead of outward i.e space continuing after the Apollo program.

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