Unintentional doping violation - 2 year ban

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kzizok 6/8/2016 3:51pm
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kzizok wrote:
Its not doping.
Sully22 wrote:
what do you call it? not trying to argue with you, just curious. Several outlets have called it doping, ESPN's headline for the article says....Maria Sharapova...
what do you call it? not trying to argue with you, just curious.

Several outlets have called it doping, ESPN's headline for the article says....Maria Sharapova suspended 2 years over positive doping test
No its actually a weird situation. I dont really know what to call it other than a possible performance advantage. But doping is changing the blood product mix even if in natural ways, to increase O2 transfer. This is increasing the efficiency of the contractility of the heart without necessarily increasing the strain, for hearts that need it. Im not aware of any data saying that it is an advantage in healthy hearts. But in theory it could be, so people try any thing that may work.

At best, its a stretch, especially for a tennis player. Probably calling it that for ease of explanation. I would simply call it a PED violation. But at the end of the day, the name really doesnt matter. The organization says dont take these meds because we know that they can or possibly can give you an advantage. If you take them, you will be punished.
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Its amazing to me how many athelets have heart problems and need the drug to bring their oxygen levels up to normal.
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10000hrs wrote:
Its amazing to me how many athelets have heart problems and need the drug to bring their oxygen levels up to normal.
Weird, huh?
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Why can't people just follow the damm rules. Case closed.
Because some of these rules are stupid maybe?

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kzizok wrote:
Its not doping.
Sully22 wrote:
what do you call it? not trying to argue with you, just curious. Several outlets have called it doping, ESPN's headline for the article says....Maria Sharapova...
what do you call it? not trying to argue with you, just curious.

Several outlets have called it doping, ESPN's headline for the article says....Maria Sharapova suspended 2 years over positive doping test
kzizok wrote:
No its actually a weird situation. I dont really know what to call it other than a possible performance advantage. But doping is changing the blood...
No its actually a weird situation. I dont really know what to call it other than a possible performance advantage. But doping is changing the blood product mix even if in natural ways, to increase O2 transfer. This is increasing the efficiency of the contractility of the heart without necessarily increasing the strain, for hearts that need it. Im not aware of any data saying that it is an advantage in healthy hearts. But in theory it could be, so people try any thing that may work.

At best, its a stretch, especially for a tennis player. Probably calling it that for ease of explanation. I would simply call it a PED violation. But at the end of the day, the name really doesnt matter. The organization says dont take these meds because we know that they can or possibly can give you an advantage. If you take them, you will be punished.
Sometimes the organization should be held accountable too , and the suits should realize they wouldn't have lavish lifestyles without the athletes.

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I am in no way saying athletes should use PED's or dope or anything along those lines but the plight of a professional athlete and the...
I am in no way saying athletes should use PED's or dope or anything along those lines but the plight of a professional athlete and the drugs they are being tested for are a bit different than yours. IE, the appeal of not using meth to keep your job vs being an elite athlete and using PED's to be the best at your job.

That said – do refineries test for PED's? I know every job I've ever had in my non-athletic that required testing only looked for Schedule 1 narcotics.
You would be suprised at what they test for. I have been retired now for 3 years so I no longer have the list. The thing is certain drugs can be used to mask another drug. Because of this the testing becomes a real science project. That is one of the things that puts Aderall so high on the list. It can mask other PED's. I use to tell my guys it does not matter if it is prescribed you can still be fired, so call the hot line.

The point I am trying to make is; if your job or sport has a drug policy it is up to YOU to make sure you are in compliance. I can see a privateer failing a drug test because he is running ragged tring to make the next race and taking something that is prescribed to him and just not taking the time to check first. But in the cases of these top tier professional athletes I am not buying it. A guy like lets say Tomac. His job is to train, ride and maintain ready to win races and thats it. He can pay someone to doo every thing else. I am not trying to start an arguement or an ass but that is the facts period end of story!

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10000hrs wrote:
Its amazing to me how many athelets have heart problems and need the drug to bring their oxygen levels up to normal.
This.

And ADHD...
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You're the best earning woman's athlete...

PAY SOMEONE TO FIGURE OUT IF THE STUFF YOU'RE TAKING IS ON THE ANTI-DOPING LIST.
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She's innocent dammit. . . Just look at her. . .
71Fish wrote:
Looks innocent to me.
yip, she definitely looks innocent to me too.
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When you are a professional athlete, with many millions, and, I would assume the ability / reality of having quite a few minions or a large retinue of paid employees, I don't have any sympathy when you get caught out by long 'posted' changes of rules. Or, fail to get a TUE.

BUT....... I just looked up at a news update on the TV. Up on the screen, was some video of her holding a trophy with the Eifel Tower in the back ground, in a short, short skirt, an alluring strapped top, and , what my GF calls f**k me heels.

On My Goodness.............. even in my advancing years, I'm still capable of enough teenaged lust, to forgive her anything. Yes, I am pathetically male. Most female athletes, even spectacularly pretty ones, still come off a bit gawky and goofy when dolled up - not Maria.
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kzizok wrote:
Its not doping.
Sully22 wrote:
what do you call it? not trying to argue with you, just curious. Several outlets have called it doping, ESPN's headline for the article says....Maria Sharapova...
what do you call it? not trying to argue with you, just curious.

Several outlets have called it doping, ESPN's headline for the article says....Maria Sharapova suspended 2 years over positive doping test
kzizok wrote:
No its actually a weird situation. I dont really know what to call it other than a possible performance advantage. But doping is changing the blood...
No its actually a weird situation. I dont really know what to call it other than a possible performance advantage. But doping is changing the blood product mix even if in natural ways, to increase O2 transfer. This is increasing the efficiency of the contractility of the heart without necessarily increasing the strain, for hearts that need it. Im not aware of any data saying that it is an advantage in healthy hearts. But in theory it could be, so people try any thing that may work.

At best, its a stretch, especially for a tennis player. Probably calling it that for ease of explanation. I would simply call it a PED violation. But at the end of the day, the name really doesnt matter. The organization says dont take these meds because we know that they can or possibly can give you an advantage. If you take them, you will be punished.
Your explanation is strictly correct, but "doping" has become a generic term for the use of PED's i.e. World Anti-Doping Agency.
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TriRacer27 wrote:
This is getting a little out of hand don't we agree? Intentionally jump a triple with red cross flags flying and endanger another rider's life =...
This is getting a little out of hand don't we agree?

Intentionally jump a triple with red cross flags flying and endanger another rider's life = 2-3 position penalty & small fine
Intentionally take out another rider = nothing or disqualification & small fine
Intentionally cheat by cutting the course = nothing or position penalty & small fine
Intentionally cheat by using illegal fuel = nothing (if you're RC) or disqualification

Unintentionally cheat with a drug that may or may not improve your performance = career over & millions in lost wages


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It might be ignorant but it's not unintentional.

These athletes are given clear and repeated communications about the PED policy, testing, and penalties. The requirements are not that difficult to understand, as evidenced by the vast majority that actually manage to comply with them.

What's really bad is that they not only fail to read and understand the rules, but if they had read them, and had a genuine reason for exemption, there is actually a documented and approved process for obtaining that exemption. If that isn't dumb or ignorant I don't know what is.
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Mit12 wrote:
"They are all innocent until/after they get caught". I was a manager for a the largest Union Millwright contractor in the U.S. I was incharge the...
"They are all innocent until/after they get caught".

I was a manager for a the largest Union Millwright contractor in the U.S. I was incharge the petrochemical devision. Well all the refineries have real strict drug policies and it is up to each worker to make sure they are clean. The first few years I would question the testing company during the conference with the worker that was caught. I can tell you that not once was the test wrong. In the refineries the worker is banned from the refinery for life after a failed drug test. Yes Life! I would see that man on a different work site some time down the road and they admitted that knew that they were dirty. Stewart knew he was not in compliance, Lance Armstrong new he was not in compliance and Maria knows she was not in compliance also.

When it is your job to make sure you are clean you never take anything with or without a prescription without consulting the HOT LINE that all drug prevention company's have in place. If you do not check you are just plain dumb!

This sounds harsh but it is straight forward. I worked for 33 years in the refineries and never failed a single drug test and there is no reason any professional athlete now days with their trainers etc. should ever fail a test.

This is reflective of my experience in the mining industry in Australia.

And here is the thing - while a few individuals might make the argument about some substances being "harmless", the vast majority are outraged to one extent or another when it happens, and support this policy. It holds true with drugs in the workplace and PED's in sport.
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I am a tennis player and there were numerous warnings about this. It wasn't just added to the list, they tested for this substance for 2 years, saw that many athletes (especially in eastern Europe) were taking it and banned it. But not before sending out about 5 releases to all athletes over more than half a year.
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Mit12 wrote:
"They are all innocent until/after they get caught". I was a manager for a the largest Union Millwright contractor in the U.S. I was incharge the...
"They are all innocent until/after they get caught".

I was a manager for a the largest Union Millwright contractor in the U.S. I was incharge the petrochemical devision. Well all the refineries have real strict drug policies and it is up to each worker to make sure they are clean. The first few years I would question the testing company during the conference with the worker that was caught. I can tell you that not once was the test wrong. In the refineries the worker is banned from the refinery for life after a failed drug test. Yes Life! I would see that man on a different work site some time down the road and they admitted that knew that they were dirty. Stewart knew he was not in compliance, Lance Armstrong new he was not in compliance and Maria knows she was not in compliance also.

When it is your job to make sure you are clean you never take anything with or without a prescription without consulting the HOT LINE that all drug prevention company's have in place. If you do not check you are just plain dumb!

This sounds harsh but it is straight forward. I worked for 33 years in the refineries and never failed a single drug test and there is no reason any professional athlete now days with their trainers etc. should ever fail a test.

akillerwombat wrote:
I am in no way saying athletes should use PED's or dope or anything along those lines but the plight of a professional athlete and the...
I am in no way saying athletes should use PED's or dope or anything along those lines but the plight of a professional athlete and the drugs they are being tested for are a bit different than yours. IE, the appeal of not using meth to keep your job vs being an elite athlete and using PED's to be the best at your job.

That said – do refineries test for PED's? I know every job I've ever had in my non-athletic that required testing only looked for Schedule 1 narcotics.
The analogy he's making is that the players/employees know the rules, know the penalties, and some still continue to violate.
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Yesterday German TV channel ADR was showing a documentary about doping in Russia. Lots of info there with as high as minister of sport in Russia involved in tampering and hiding of doping results.
For example- after a failed test in Olimpic games in London in 2012, you could get your record clean for 500000 eur, that was used to buy off IAAF members.

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kongols wrote:
Yesterday German TV channel ADR was showing a documentary about doping in Russia. Lots of info there with as high as minister of sport in Russia...
Yesterday German TV channel ADR was showing a documentary about doping in Russia. Lots of info there with as high as minister of sport in Russia involved in tampering and hiding of doping results.
For example- after a failed test in Olimpic games in London in 2012, you could get your record clean for 500000 eur, that was used to buy off IAAF members.
And just the other day there was a documentary on ARTE, "Plus vite, plus haut, plus dopés".
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Berm wrote:
I understand Maria does not race motocross, but this is a post to highlight the case of very strict anit-doping rules among most professional sports. http://www.gannett-cdn.com/usatoday/editorial/sports/tennis/itf-sharapova-ruling.pdf...
I understand Maria does not race motocross, but this is a post to highlight the case of very strict anit-doping rules among most professional sports.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/usatoday/editorial/sports/tennis/itf-sharapo…

TL:DR - Maria Sharapova tested positive for Meldonium, admitted to taking it without knowing it was on the banned list, in the prescription drug Mildronate she had been taking for 10 years. It was only declared to be against the rules in January 1 2016, after Maria had already been taking it for 10 years.

The player’s case is that she did not know that the active ingredient of Mildronate, a
medication which she had regularly been using for over 10 years, had been added to the
Prohibited List from 1 January 2016 and she did not intentionally contravene the anti-doping
rules in using Mildronate at the Australian Open. The ITF accepts that she did not know that
Mildronate contained a Prohibited Substance but argues that in taking the medication she
knowingly and manifestly disregarded the risk of contravening the anti-doping rules, and
thus committed an intentional violation.
Pics or it didn't happen.
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Berm wrote:
I understand Maria does not race motocross, but this is a post to highlight the case of very strict anit-doping rules among most professional sports. http://www.gannett-cdn.com/usatoday/editorial/sports/tennis/itf-sharapova-ruling.pdf...
I understand Maria does not race motocross, but this is a post to highlight the case of very strict anit-doping rules among most professional sports.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/usatoday/editorial/sports/tennis/itf-sharapo…

TL:DR - Maria Sharapova tested positive for Meldonium, admitted to taking it without knowing it was on the banned list, in the prescription drug Mildronate she had been taking for 10 years. It was only declared to be against the rules in January 1 2016, after Maria had already been taking it for 10 years.

The player’s case is that she did not know that the active ingredient of Mildronate, a
medication which she had regularly been using for over 10 years, had been added to the
Prohibited List from 1 January 2016 and she did not intentionally contravene the anti-doping
rules in using Mildronate at the Australian Open. The ITF accepts that she did not know that
Mildronate contained a Prohibited Substance but argues that in taking the medication she
knowingly and manifestly disregarded the risk of contravening the anti-doping rules, and
thus committed an intentional violation.
ga_pike wrote:
Pics or it didn't happen.
I'm stuck with only my 'phone for a few days, and being a "Bear of very small brain" (c/r the Paddington Bear books) , I don't know how to do links etc.

Just Google - Maria Sharapova, Roland Garis Trophy, her skirt , her high heels.

Cripes , just Google her name, and there are thousands of pics of her. I'm still only discovering the 'wilds' of the internet via smart phone. I'm sure though, a fair few twonkers here, would want her to accessorize with silicon........

But, back to the grist of all this - she should have followed the rules, it's as simple as that. No excuses, she's not a struggling 100s or thousands ranked player, living by the skin of her arse, with little to no back-up. I've always felt the same about JS's suspension . Cue the 'hater' cries........
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I'm stuck with only my 'phone for a few days, and being a "Bear of very small brain" (c/r the Paddington Bear books) , I don't...
I'm stuck with only my 'phone for a few days, and being a "Bear of very small brain" (c/r the Paddington Bear books) , I don't know how to do links etc.

Just Google - Maria Sharapova, Roland Garis Trophy, her skirt , her high heels.

Cripes , just Google her name, and there are thousands of pics of her. I'm still only discovering the 'wilds' of the internet via smart phone. I'm sure though, a fair few twonkers here, would want her to accessorize with silicon........

But, back to the grist of all this - she should have followed the rules, it's as simple as that. No excuses, she's not a struggling 100s or thousands ranked player, living by the skin of her arse, with little to no back-up. I've always felt the same about JS's suspension . Cue the 'hater' cries........
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Perfection!
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Kongols you beat me to it, great pics......................................
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I love her. I put these pictures in the non moto thread a while back but damn she is fine.











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IWreckALot wrote:
She's innocent dammit. . . Just look at her. . .
O no she's not...she's been a bad girl Kissing
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While I / we are straying from the subject, and objectifying women, specifically tennis players, decades ago I was stunned by a shoot featuring Steffie Graff. I was young(er) and tended to focus on her schnoz, but heck, some from below pictures of her standing on a wall, legs akimbo and flexed, really got my attention. A somewhat controversial photo essay, if I recall correctly. Quite a lot of it, centering around her 'letting down the sisterhood', and allowing herself to be objectified. Sheeesh. She had a Superb figure. And, of course, she was a supreme sportswoman within tennis. Far more so than Maria.

Come on Kongols, Robkinuk, see if you can find them.
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