At what point would Roczen stay at Suzuki/RCH?

jmurphy243 5/26/2016 10:52am
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Dirtdigger wrote:
2017 Roczen RCH/Honda
I could see this being the case
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Dirtdigger wrote:
2017 Roczen RCH/Honda
No chance. Ricky and Honda are not exactly best friends.
dazzlindino 5/26/2016 11:19am
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Dirtdigger wrote:
2017 Roczen RCH/Honda
Rdubs19 wrote:
No chance. Ricky and Honda are not exactly best friends.
....but Ricky and $$$ are...
...it's going to be HRC/RCH Honda...
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bsharkey 5/26/2016 11:36am
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Hard to see him leave, now that he is one with that bike!
exactly last year was kind of a fluke with those crashes in sx really derailed him for awhile but before that he looked great

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Dirtdigger 5/26/2016 11:42am
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Dirtdigger wrote:
2017 Roczen RCH/Honda
Rdubs19 wrote:
No chance. Ricky and Honda are not exactly best friends.
Wait and see!
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51xc 5/26/2016 11:52am
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I always thought it was pretty clear he is leaving because of the team rather than the bike.
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DonM 5/26/2016 12:24pm
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Dirtdigger wrote:
2017 Roczen RCH/Honda
Ummmmm.....No
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So Roczen won the National title on a KTM, and ran the number 1 plate on a Suzuki the following year....there is a very good possibility...
So Roczen won the National title on a KTM, and ran the number 1 plate on a Suzuki the following year....there is a very good possibility he'll win this National title on a Suzuki and then run the number 1 plate on the Honda next year.

Seeing a Honda with a number 1 on it in the nationals will take me all the way back to the 96 Nationals and McGrath! (Since RC never ran the number one on a Honda...well, I think he did his last race for them, right?) Nostalgia!
Close, he ran the number 1 in the 2nd moto at Glen Helen on his last ride with Honda
Dirtdigger 5/26/2016 12:28pm
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51xc wrote:
I always thought it was pretty clear he is leaving because of the team rather than the bike.
Good sources in Germany say the deal is done! So wait and see!
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davistld01 5/26/2016 12:32pm
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51xc wrote:
I always thought it was pretty clear he is leaving because of the team rather than the bike.
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Good sources in Germany say the deal is done! So wait and see!
We had just as good a source or better say that 21-posts before yours...but, thanks.
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Titan1 wrote:
So Roczen won the National title on a KTM, and ran the number 1 plate on a Suzuki the following year....there is a very good possibility...
So Roczen won the National title on a KTM, and ran the number 1 plate on a Suzuki the following year....there is a very good possibility he'll win this National title on a Suzuki and then run the number 1 plate on the Honda next year.

Seeing a Honda with a number 1 on it in the nationals will take me all the way back to the 96 Nationals and McGrath! (Since RC never ran the number one on a Honda...well, I think he did his last race for them, right?) Nostalgia!
Giving him the championship after one round? Cool your jet broski
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UpTiTe wrote:
5 years and 12 million
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Yep, done deal. Once again the Zook morons are letting the talent walk.
Honda has done the same thing over and over. Don't kid yourself.
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He's finally got his Suzuki dialed in and working great for him. Why change now? Unless there's more money involved, I don't think a change can improve his performance as of late.
MotoTribology 5/26/2016 1:26pm
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He's finally got his Suzuki dialed in and working great for him. Why change now? Unless there's more money involved, I don't think a change can...
He's finally got his Suzuki dialed in and working great for him. Why change now? Unless there's more money involved, I don't think a change can improve his performance as of late.
As a matter of fact I believe they did involve money in the deal.
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2thefront 5/26/2016 4:10pm
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ML512 wrote:
Deal is done, there's no going back..Whistling
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How does that work? Technically he's still contracted to RCH/Suzuki. Is he also contracted to Honda now? Are there legal ramifications if he has a change...
How does that work? Technically he's still contracted to RCH/Suzuki. Is he also contracted to Honda now? Are there legal ramifications if he has a change of heart?
He's contracted to RCH through September 30th. He's contracted to Honda from October 1st on. I assume he could get out of it if he really wanted but I doubt RCH could come up with the difference in money if they couldn't before. He's in the prime earning window of his career. No way this deal isn't about money. The longer term nature of the deal suggests to me he's committed to making it work. He won't have to make a decision on a new team a year after he joins the team like he would a 2 year deal.
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bsharkey 5/26/2016 4:14pm
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seems crazy to leave but a mx career is short so I can see making as much $$ as you can. I always wonder what its like to work for ricky
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Honda has made some stupid money choices in the past...but they also haven't had anyone even close to a US championship in years, and sad to...
Honda has made some stupid money choices in the past...but they also haven't had anyone even close to a US championship in years, and sad to say...Canard & Seely are not going to get it done. If Michael is right (he usually is), and the deal is done, you can bet Honda put some crazy money on the table to make it happen. They have a history of "buying championships".
I've never understood how people say Honda "buys" championships?

Isn't every top pro out there essentially paid to win? How is this any different?

Tomac went to Kawi after every manufacturer wanted him. Does Kawi "buy championships"? Barcia was a hot commodity when he signed with JGR. Every top free agent at Roczen's level is going to be in demand from all of the various teams and they will give out their best offer. Honda is no different than any of the others

Did KTM "buy" all these championships the past few years when the got Dungey from Suzuki? It's pro racing. People get paid to win championships
UpTiTe 5/26/2016 6:35pm
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RCH Honda, maybe. Or it could be RCH Kawasaki, either way it wont be Roczen riding it.

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davistld01 wrote:
Honda has made some stupid money choices in the past...but they also haven't had anyone even close to a US championship in years, and sad to...
Honda has made some stupid money choices in the past...but they also haven't had anyone even close to a US championship in years, and sad to say...Canard & Seely are not going to get it done. If Michael is right (he usually is), and the deal is done, you can bet Honda put some crazy money on the table to make it happen. They have a history of "buying championships".
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I've never understood how people say Honda "buys" championships? Isn't every top pro out there essentially paid to win? How is this any different? Tomac went...
I've never understood how people say Honda "buys" championships?

Isn't every top pro out there essentially paid to win? How is this any different?

Tomac went to Kawi after every manufacturer wanted him. Does Kawi "buy championships"? Barcia was a hot commodity when he signed with JGR. Every top free agent at Roczen's level is going to be in demand from all of the various teams and they will give out their best offer. Honda is no different than any of the others

Did KTM "buy" all these championships the past few years when the got Dungey from Suzuki? It's pro racing. People get paid to win championships
Yes Kawi is trying to buy a championship with Tomac.

Honda will try to up the deal with Roczen and a championship with him.

What's wrong with that?
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PRM31 wrote:
He's finally got his Suzuki dialed in and working great for him. Why change now? Unless there's more money involved, I don't think a change can...
He's finally got his Suzuki dialed in and working great for him. Why change now? Unless there's more money involved, I don't think a change can improve his performance as of late.
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As a matter of fact I believe they did involve money in the deal.
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It is more than just the money I would imagine for Kenny. Honda is in the middle of a revamp on the racing program. It is evident with the availability of both suspension companies along with the multitude options that Honda obviously has available to try. Tons of upside with the deal.
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MelonFan123 wrote:
I've never understood how people say Honda "buys" championships? Isn't every top pro out there essentially paid to win? How is this any different? Tomac went...
I've never understood how people say Honda "buys" championships?

Isn't every top pro out there essentially paid to win? How is this any different?

Tomac went to Kawi after every manufacturer wanted him. Does Kawi "buy championships"? Barcia was a hot commodity when he signed with JGR. Every top free agent at Roczen's level is going to be in demand from all of the various teams and they will give out their best offer. Honda is no different than any of the others

Did KTM "buy" all these championships the past few years when the got Dungey from Suzuki? It's pro racing. People get paid to win championships
It's not that hard, it's either Honda hasn't always had a history of bringing guys up... and/or they've bought them in after they have proven to be champions and are really likely to be again....

RC. (Kawi to Honda)
RJ. (Yamaha to Honda)
George Holland. (Suzuki to Honda)
The Dogger (Yamaha to Honda)

Probably some more and now Kenny... hell they tried like buggery to get James!

Did KTM do it? Absolutely, but when they do it another 5 or so times, people will start saying its habitual... But then again they have more of an amateur program now. You probably won't hear it as much with Honda because of Geico which has produced 6 titles since 08?
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MelonFan123 wrote:
I've never understood how people say Honda "buys" championships? Isn't every top pro out there essentially paid to win? How is this any different? Tomac went...
I've never understood how people say Honda "buys" championships?

Isn't every top pro out there essentially paid to win? How is this any different?

Tomac went to Kawi after every manufacturer wanted him. Does Kawi "buy championships"? Barcia was a hot commodity when he signed with JGR. Every top free agent at Roczen's level is going to be in demand from all of the various teams and they will give out their best offer. Honda is no different than any of the others

Did KTM "buy" all these championships the past few years when the got Dungey from Suzuki? It's pro racing. People get paid to win championships
Because Honda had never had an amature program. Honda is happy to let Kawasaki and Yamaha bring riders thru their formative years and roll in when they are the sure thing and sign them. At least back when they were dominate that's how they played it. The last decade or so they seem to be uninterested. They seem to lose interest then one day wake up and just start throwing money at something. No telling how much money they have in Rally now that they want to win Dakar. A non production based bike specifically designed to win one race. Things like that make people say they buy championships.
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There is no brand loyalty anymore. its all about the money.
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honestly, why would anyone care about brand loyalty? the riders are the first to be dismissed if they are not performing good enough anymore. sport is a business in the first place and entertainment in second place.
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drummer dude wrote:
There is no brand loyalty anymore. its all about the money.
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Rdubs19 5/27/2016 3:24pm
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It's obvious he's going to leave Suzuki, if he were staying he would have resigned by now. But 12 mil over 5 years? That's 2.4 million/year, which is 600,000 less than Suzuki is (supposedly) currently paying him.
I believe the move to Honda, but I don't believe these numbers.
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I think the mere prospect of a 5 year deal is the clincher for KR not what brand he is on...suffice to say HRC's involvement now probably helped clinch it too....with a great rider (no disrespect intended to CS or TC) on the team can only be a good thing for Honda

Honda are probably pretty damn happy hes doing well in the Nationals.
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MelonFan123 wrote:
I've never understood how people say Honda "buys" championships? Isn't every top pro out there essentially paid to win? How is this any different? Tomac went...
I've never understood how people say Honda "buys" championships?

Isn't every top pro out there essentially paid to win? How is this any different?

Tomac went to Kawi after every manufacturer wanted him. Does Kawi "buy championships"? Barcia was a hot commodity when he signed with JGR. Every top free agent at Roczen's level is going to be in demand from all of the various teams and they will give out their best offer. Honda is no different than any of the others

Did KTM "buy" all these championships the past few years when the got Dungey from Suzuki? It's pro racing. People get paid to win championships
dcg141 wrote:
Because Honda had never had an amature program. Honda is happy to let Kawasaki and Yamaha bring riders thru their formative years and roll in when...
Because Honda had never had an amature program. Honda is happy to let Kawasaki and Yamaha bring riders thru their formative years and roll in when they are the sure thing and sign them. At least back when they were dominate that's how they played it. The last decade or so they seem to be uninterested. They seem to lose interest then one day wake up and just start throwing money at something. No telling how much money they have in Rally now that they want to win Dakar. A non production based bike specifically designed to win one race. Things like that make people say they buy championships.
Thats a bit harsh, Suzuki and KTM dont have one either...you could argue Hondas Geico amateur programme is strong as well....but anyway look any brand is going to sign what rider they want, and it is up to the rider what brand they race for....ET went to Kawasaki for LESS money that what Honda offered, so therefore by your reckoning Kawasaki buy riders!

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Travis Pastrana is the most brand loyal guy I can think of

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