Roczen had Dungey's number

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Dungey has essentially won 3 races in a row (and officially finished ahead of Roczen in the last 3 after the AMA docked him in Detroit), has had Roczen all over his ass for the last 40 laps like bees on honey, has been passed by and repassed him for the lead, and people still trying to convince themselves that Roczen is faster than Dungey. Blows my mind.

Roczen and Dungey are clearly in a league of their own since the last two races, but Dungey has won both races fair and square.
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If Roczen had Dungeys number then why didn't he beat him
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Huevos wrote:
Dungey has essentially won 3 races in a row (and officially finished ahead of Roczen in the last 3 after the AMA docked him in Detroit)...
Dungey has essentially won 3 races in a row (and officially finished ahead of Roczen in the last 3 after the AMA docked him in Detroit), has had Roczen all over his ass for the last 40 laps like bees on honey, has been passed by and repassed him for the lead, and people still trying to convince themselves that Roczen is faster than Dungey. Blows my mind.

Roczen and Dungey are clearly in a league of their own since the last two races, but Dungey has won both races fair and square.
No matter how many wins or titles Dungey gets many want to point to outside circumstances contributing to his success for whatever reason. His good luck and the misfortune of other riders etc. He has been fastest qualifier , turned the fastest lap and won several times and his worst finish this season is a 3rd so I'm not sure what he has to do to shake the stigma. If he loses or is pressured it is someohow some kind of confidence booster the other rider will use from that point on... Meanwhile Dungey's points lead grows......mystifying.
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Firefly47 wrote:
Whoever gets to the checkers first is the fastest.
Who got to the checkers first, genius?
matze wrote:
So okay, then ill say it in other words for people like you.. If this was a race just between these two and without making mistakes...
So okay, then ill say it in other words for people like you..

If this was a race just between these two and without making mistakes (dungey and roczen) then roczen would have won easily. Roczen caught up quickly everytime he lost some time cause of some mistakes or lappers. Not to say that his best lap was half a second faster than ryans..
How is what you're saying even relatively relevant? When do guys race each other one on one is SX? Who has magical powers to award anyone the opportunity to not make a single mistake during a race? Dungey won,period. I'm sure Roczen would've loved to have had their roles reversed.

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and that number is 867-5309.

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Dungey's number was etched in Roczen by his roost. Only Ken knows what the true number was this morning by counting the bruises.
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He had his number but he misdialed it. He rode great! I think if it weren't for a few mistakes he would have gotten him. Dungey...
He had his number but he misdialed it. He rode great! I think if it weren't for a few mistakes he would have gotten him. Dungey held up great under the pressure of Roczen.
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He clearly did not have Dungey's number since he was not able to go that pace without the mistakes.
Did you not comprehend the misdialed statement?
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DownSouth wrote:
I thought LaRocco had Dungey's number? Huh
Laughing

best post in this entire stupid ass thread!
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I don't understand the purpose of making comparisons by "taking the mistakes away." What about taking the whoops away? Or taking the other 20 guys on the track away? Would Kenny have beat Ryan if the bikes were taken away? That's the only way the mistakes will go away.
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Starcrossed wrote:
I don't understand the purpose of making comparisons by "taking the mistakes away." What about taking the whoops away? Or taking the other 20 guys on...
I don't understand the purpose of making comparisons by "taking the mistakes away." What about taking the whoops away? Or taking the other 20 guys on the track away? Would Kenny have beat Ryan if the bikes were taken away? That's the only way the mistakes will go away.
Thats a good point. Clearly Valentino Rossi won that race
Electro21 4/10/2016 6:32pm
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ky_savage wrote:
He had his number but he misdialed it. He rode great! I think if it weren't for a few mistakes he would have gotten him. Dungey...
He had his number but he misdialed it. He rode great! I think if it weren't for a few mistakes he would have gotten him. Dungey held up great under the pressure of Roczen.
Jimmy_Sloan wrote:
He clearly did not have Dungey's number since he was not able to go that pace without the mistakes.
ky_savage wrote:
Did you not comprehend the misdialed statement?
Can't really say Roczen had Dungey's number when he didn't win. Everyone out there misdialed something on that track. Roczen was close several times and made a mistake each time. Great race to watch.
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I enjoy the odd fanboy driven face-off around here. Hi Matze, you're doing fairly well concealing your insanity, and all with good humor. Love, an RD...
I enjoy the odd fanboy driven face-off around here. Hi Matze, you're doing fairly well concealing your insanity, and all with good humor.

Love, an RD fanboy
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Dude....this was a good post....thank you!
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Track and Trail wrote:
I enjoy the odd fanboy driven face-off around here. Hi Matze, you're doing fairly well concealing your insanity, and all with good humor. Love, an RD...
I enjoy the odd fanboy driven face-off around here. Hi Matze, you're doing fairly well concealing your insanity, and all with good humor.

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matze wrote:
I really had to laugh Grinning
Laugh while you can my misguided friend. The outdoors are coming and we both know who'll have who's number. Kissing
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Laugh while you can my misguided friend. The outdoors are coming and we both know who'll have who's number. Kissing
I'd like to think that would be Tomac, but not sure we will see anything like last year. It's going to take a tremendous amount of effort for anybody to derail the Dungey train. He is so dialed, and his confidence is so high, mistakes are so few, and his starts have been unbelievable. The rest of the field has their work cut out for them.
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I'd like to think that would be Tomac, but not sure we will see anything like last year. It's going to take a tremendous amount of...
I'd like to think that would be Tomac, but not sure we will see anything like last year. It's going to take a tremendous amount of effort for anybody to derail the Dungey train. He is so dialed, and his confidence is so high, mistakes are so few, and his starts have been unbelievable. The rest of the field has their work cut out for them.
I'd like to see Bagget in there for the title and some wins. He's my #1 dark horse pick.
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Track and Trail wrote:
Laugh while you can my misguided friend. The outdoors are coming and we both know who'll have who's number. Kissing
Starcrossed wrote:
I'd like to think that would be Tomac, but not sure we will see anything like last year. It's going to take a tremendous amount of...
I'd like to think that would be Tomac, but not sure we will see anything like last year. It's going to take a tremendous amount of effort for anybody to derail the Dungey train. He is so dialed, and his confidence is so high, mistakes are so few, and his starts have been unbelievable. The rest of the field has their work cut out for them.
I agree with you. This is Dungey's year so far. I am suprised about Tomac, I thought he would be Dungey's biggest threat this year.
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Flatliner wrote:
You mean mistakes cost him the win, not luck.



matze wrote:
if it would be luck he probably would have won, right? Laughing i mean mistakes which was a result of BAD luck.
What is it with you and luck? Luck is a concept, and a very loosely defined one at that. Its almost meaningless.

In motocross you either win or you dont. You can attribute it to whatever you want, but winning and not winning are absolutely definable, tangeable things. Luck isn't.

and motocross racing isnt about being the fastest for a percentage of the race. its about crossing the line first.

Roczen had no reason, and no excuse for not winning that race. It was all in his hands.
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Ted722 wrote:
I've read where some state that was Roczen's race. He had Dungey's number, etc. What's more noteworthy is that inner drive the points leader (Dungey) has...
I've read where some state that was Roczen's race. He had Dungey's number, etc. What's more noteworthy is that inner drive the points leader (Dungey) has displayed this last few weeks.

Dungey digs deep and wins last week. Digs deep again and wins this week.

If Dungey "played it safe" he could have gotten 2nd both weeks and still have a 39 point lead. He and Roczen would have been tied in wins.

Dungey 2.0 had other plans. He extended his points lead and secured the most wins for the season tonight regardless if Roczen wins out.

Hope the Roczen and Dungey battles continue for years to come, but tonight is about the points leader. He did not settle.
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I don't see them battling it out for years, Dungey is like 6 years older than KR. Plus I think Webb will adopt Dungey from Vilopto...
I don't see them battling it out for years, Dungey is like 6 years older than KR. Plus I think Webb will adopt Dungey from Vilopto and be his new step Daddy. Lol
you know...Jeff Stanton...a man who knows a few things about Supercross..REAL things, unlike yourself, said the same thing a few years ago. In reference to a few certain 250 riders (Tomac, Baggett, Barcia and 2 others that I cant name at the moment) but he said "There are 5 riders in the 250s right now that if you put them on a 450 they would beat Dungey." Barcia has...Tomac has....but both are so inconsistent that it doesnt matter. They are mired in with the rest of the pack at the moment.

When Webb moves up to 450s, he will find that the going is a lot tougher and I GUARANTEE you, if Webb tries any of that stuff that he does to his class rivals now with the likes of Reed, Barcia and Dungey, that they'll put him over the tough blocks faster than J. Stewart can finish a race..which of late, hasnt been taking too long.



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KC124 4/10/2016 11:12pm
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Does anyone else think Roczen could have made the finish line jump after the mistake? I seen a 250 screw up the dragons back and still clear it. Maybe a flashback from last season?
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Both riders pretty equal in speed IMO. Roczen was pushing harder and getting a bit more out of shape. Dungey was totally in control but maybe a fraction slower due to just doing his normal consistent race.

It was a good battle, hopefully see a few more outdoors where it counts.
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jnickell 4/11/2016 12:42am
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"Had" is the operative word. After KR passed RD he "had" RD's number for about a lap. Then RD took it back.
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JSmith 4/11/2016 8:07am
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Maybe Dungey only rode as hard and fast as necessary to win.

The paycheck and the trophy do not grow in size based on your gap to 2nd place.

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KC124 wrote:
Does anyone else think Roczen could have made the finish line jump after the mistake? I seen a 250 screw up the dragons back and still...
Does anyone else think Roczen could have made the finish line jump after the mistake? I seen a 250 screw up the dragons back and still clear it. Maybe a flashback from last season?
That didn't work out too well the last time he tried it.
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I don't really understand Roxcen's; "I wish the race would have been five laps longer" comment after the race. He acted like it was his race...

What we he going to do with five more laps that he could not do in the last two races?

Dungey has had him covered..so much so that Roczen either cannot get close enough or make a pass stick. Dungey has beat him soundly. Like hands down, as in no contest. Not to forget Dungey has everything to lose, while Roxcen does not, yet Dungey still smokes him. To me it shows just how much superior Dungey is riding at the moment.


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Corey_Tallent wrote:
you know...Jeff Stanton...a man who knows a few things about Supercross..REAL things, unlike yourself, said the same thing a few years ago. In reference to a...
you know...Jeff Stanton...a man who knows a few things about Supercross..REAL things, unlike yourself, said the same thing a few years ago. In reference to a few certain 250 riders (Tomac, Baggett, Barcia and 2 others that I cant name at the moment) but he said "There are 5 riders in the 250s right now that if you put them on a 450 they would beat Dungey." Barcia has...Tomac has....but both are so inconsistent that it doesnt matter. They are mired in with the rest of the pack at the moment.

When Webb moves up to 450s, he will find that the going is a lot tougher and I GUARANTEE you, if Webb tries any of that stuff that he does to his class rivals now with the likes of Reed, Barcia and Dungey, that they'll put him over the tough blocks faster than J. Stewart can finish a race..which of late, hasnt been taking too long.



If Stanton said that "a few years ago", he was talking about the 1.0 version and not new and improved Dungey 2.0. Hard to deny at that time but then 2015 happened. Ask him today.
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lol i love it

Roczen had Dungey's number for sure, anyone that didn't see that is either wearing orange sun glasses or was watching a different race than everyone else.

however, that said, Dungey rode like the champion that he is and somehow resisted multiple attempts at the pass. good for him, awesome watching him race to win and not move over and collect points. i like Dungey 2.0. what a stud.

Roczen though, man, he rode the wheels of that fuckin' SUSZUKI. i thought he had him so many times only to fall 1-2 seconds behind and do it all over again. awesome race.
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Rotaholic wrote:
The biggest thing for me was Dungey got the holeshot and kenny started in 14th, amazing ride from KR94
IWreckALot wrote:
Roczen was second by the second lap at least. It's not like he spent the whole race catching dungey. But I'll agree that the race was...
Roczen was second by the second lap at least. It's not like he spent the whole race catching dungey. But I'll agree that the race was decided by the start.
If it was decided by the start, why didn't KROC pass and leave him once in the lead or in second (which was 18 laps)? I call BS! If this were Dungey chasing RV everyone would be blabbing about how he can't match him, can't make a pass, and every other reason RV is so much better. When RD does the SAME EXACT THING to Roczen on multiple occasions, all the fanboys blame starts, say KR had it, lappers, etc...
Never ending contradictions that are fickle MX fans continue....go Vital!!!
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Rotaholic wrote:
The biggest thing for me was Dungey got the holeshot and kenny started in 14th, amazing ride from KR94
IWreckALot wrote:
Roczen was second by the second lap at least. It's not like he spent the whole race catching dungey. But I'll agree that the race was...
Roczen was second by the second lap at least. It's not like he spent the whole race catching dungey. But I'll agree that the race was decided by the start.
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If it was decided by the start, why didn't KROC pass and leave him once in the lead or in second (which was 18 laps)? I...
If it was decided by the start, why didn't KROC pass and leave him once in the lead or in second (which was 18 laps)? I call BS! If this were Dungey chasing RV everyone would be blabbing about how he can't match him, can't make a pass, and every other reason RV is so much better. When RD does the SAME EXACT THING to Roczen on multiple occasions, all the fanboys blame starts, say KR had it, lappers, etc...
Never ending contradictions that are fickle MX fans continue....go Vital!!!
Roczen made a mistake and missed the finish line allowing dungey to repass for the lead. Dungey held roczen up in a few sections throughout the race which would have easily negated the mistake over the finish line. If roczen had been out front on the start, I think there is a chance he could have sealed the deal. It's hypothetical so there's no way to tell but roczen kept closing the gap on dungey. I'm not taking anything from dungey. You can read my post history and see that even in the rv days and prior I've been a huge dungey fan. He's still the guy I root for week in and week out. But there are two ways to win a race. Race craft and/or speed. Dungey used the former to best roczen in Indy. Straight up.

Also, you could note that condascension and name calling don't make your opinion more valid than others. We are all fans of the sport who watch the races through different eyes. Lighten the fuck up.
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USMCMXer wrote:
If it was decided by the start, why didn't KROC pass and leave him once in the lead or in second (which was 18 laps)? I...
If it was decided by the start, why didn't KROC pass and leave him once in the lead or in second (which was 18 laps)? I call BS! If this were Dungey chasing RV everyone would be blabbing about how he can't match him, can't make a pass, and every other reason RV is so much better. When RD does the SAME EXACT THING to Roczen on multiple occasions, all the fanboys blame starts, say KR had it, lappers, etc...
Never ending contradictions that are fickle MX fans continue....go Vital!!!
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mxb2 4/11/2016 11:05am
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I was there, great race. Rd5 had him covered. There is a reason he has the red plate. Best racer in the world right now. Not even close. Imo.

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