Where does Roczen go??

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IWreckALot wrote:
He won the season he changed brands. . . so that logic clearly isn't what motivates Roczen.
I wasn't referring to what motivates Roczen. I don't have a clue neither do any of the other general public. I was referring to why people think he is leaving. Every time a rider doesn't do as good as " the general public" want them to do they are either retiring, losing their ride, or switching teams. Same goes for Tomac he's having a little rough season after a terrible surgery and all the sudden the bike is bad or Tomac isn't gonna be as good as he was no one knows. I'm just trying to see where this stuff comes from?
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1 94 Ken Roczen Clermont, FL Suzuki RM-Z450- In the pits, I was asking about the rumored Roczen to Honda thing, and someone who knows both Kenny and Ricky Carmichael says they have never really gotten along that well. He said that it’s a case of both guys being really stubborn about their programs and probably RC not bending at all to Roczen.

http://racerxonline.com/2016/02/24/observations-arlington
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Phillip_Lamb wrote:
best bet for Roczen is to go to HRC honda for a few reasons. Canard my be out of there after this year. not that he's...
best bet for Roczen is to go to HRC honda for a few reasons.

Canard my be out of there after this year. not that he's done bad but hes been with honda since 08 and they need someone who isnt always broken.

Roczen is used to working with premium high end teams; ie KTM euro, KTM USA and he had a bunch of issues last year and it sounds like even some this year too.

He could go back to KTM as he is on good terms but he left for a reason and he might not want to "work" with competition.

MAYBE factory Yamaha with Reed and Webb since Reed is SX only but the team is only just getting back on their feet.

honestly i dont think many people ever have had much issues riding for Factory honda (not unlike riding for pro circuit)
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I doubt seriously that Honda will drop Canard. He's a guy who can do top-5 consistantly, and can even bust out a win when everything's right...
I doubt seriously that Honda will drop Canard. He's a guy who can do top-5 consistantly, and can even bust out a win when everything's right and he can get a start. All that, and he's good for the team, the brand and the sponsors. Yeah, he's had some horrible luck, but I think they'll give him another year. Hard to imagine Trey on a non-red bike!

That said, I don't see Roczen at Honda. Honda has made some lame decisions in the past, and they are the most "corporate" team in the pits. I'm not sure HRC could handle a guy like Kenny who's all love social media and seems to play around a lot more than anybody I've seen on Honda since MC. I do see Kenny going blue...or, orange again.



Honda may not drop canard but that doesn't mean he won't be on another brand next year. He came VERY close to signing with Kawi 2 years ago. Wouldn't be a big stretch for him to go there this time.
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Kawasaki havent had great second rider for long time. Canard could make good team with Eli.
Honda stepped up to make better results at World GPs and getting after Roczen would make same in US along new bike.

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Phillip_Lamb wrote:
best bet for Roczen is to go to HRC honda for a few reasons. Canard my be out of there after this year. not that he's...
best bet for Roczen is to go to HRC honda for a few reasons.

Canard my be out of there after this year. not that he's done bad but hes been with honda since 08 and they need someone who isnt always broken.

Roczen is used to working with premium high end teams; ie KTM euro, KTM USA and he had a bunch of issues last year and it sounds like even some this year too.

He could go back to KTM as he is on good terms but he left for a reason and he might not want to "work" with competition.

MAYBE factory Yamaha with Reed and Webb since Reed is SX only but the team is only just getting back on their feet.

honestly i dont think many people ever have had much issues riding for Factory honda (not unlike riding for pro circuit)
davistld01 wrote:
I doubt seriously that Honda will drop Canard. He's a guy who can do top-5 consistantly, and can even bust out a win when everything's right...
I doubt seriously that Honda will drop Canard. He's a guy who can do top-5 consistantly, and can even bust out a win when everything's right and he can get a start. All that, and he's good for the team, the brand and the sponsors. Yeah, he's had some horrible luck, but I think they'll give him another year. Hard to imagine Trey on a non-red bike!

That said, I don't see Roczen at Honda. Honda has made some lame decisions in the past, and they are the most "corporate" team in the pits. I'm not sure HRC could handle a guy like Kenny who's all love social media and seems to play around a lot more than anybody I've seen on Honda since MC. I do see Kenny going blue...or, orange again.



2thefront wrote:
Honda may not drop canard but that doesn't mean he won't be on another brand next year. He came VERY close to signing with Kawi 2...
Honda may not drop canard but that doesn't mean he won't be on another brand next year. He came VERY close to signing with Kawi 2 years ago. Wouldn't be a big stretch for him to go there this time.
Only my personal opinion, but I don't see Trey leaving Honda. They have stuck with him through all his tough times and I really think loyalty is big with Trey given his faith.

Would Honda finally desert Trey? That is more likely imo.
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davistld01 wrote:
I doubt seriously that Honda will drop Canard. He's a guy who can do top-5 consistantly, and can even bust out a win when everything's right...
I doubt seriously that Honda will drop Canard. He's a guy who can do top-5 consistantly, and can even bust out a win when everything's right and he can get a start. All that, and he's good for the team, the brand and the sponsors. Yeah, he's had some horrible luck, but I think they'll give him another year. Hard to imagine Trey on a non-red bike!

That said, I don't see Roczen at Honda. Honda has made some lame decisions in the past, and they are the most "corporate" team in the pits. I'm not sure HRC could handle a guy like Kenny who's all love social media and seems to play around a lot more than anybody I've seen on Honda since MC. I do see Kenny going blue...or, orange again.



2thefront wrote:
Honda may not drop canard but that doesn't mean he won't be on another brand next year. He came VERY close to signing with Kawi 2...
Honda may not drop canard but that doesn't mean he won't be on another brand next year. He came VERY close to signing with Kawi 2 years ago. Wouldn't be a big stretch for him to go there this time.
joeellis wrote:
Only my personal opinion, but I don't see Trey leaving Honda. They have stuck with him through all his tough times and I really think loyalty...
Only my personal opinion, but I don't see Trey leaving Honda. They have stuck with him through all his tough times and I really think loyalty is big with Trey given his faith.

Would Honda finally desert Trey? That is more likely imo.
Maybe not, just saying he was all but gone to Kawi after 2013.
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2thefront wrote:
Maybe not, just saying he was all but gone to Kawi after 2013.
I would be surprised to see him leave Honda, after as what was mentioned them supporting him through all the injuries and strife, but teams have budgets and riders have their own personal agenda, so you never know.
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2thefront wrote:
Maybe not, just saying he was all but gone to Kawi after 2013.
kiwifan wrote:
I would be surprised to see him leave Honda, after as what was mentioned them supporting him through all the injuries and strife, but teams have...
I would be surprised to see him leave Honda, after as what was mentioned them supporting him through all the injuries and strife, but teams have budgets and riders have their own personal agenda, so you never know.
Then again, he seemed to work reasonably well with Eli so never say never.

Its crazy we are even talking about this..in Feb.
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IMO Tomac's riding style would gel with a steel frame
Totally off topic, but i like how you have a shirt I designed years ago as your Avatar @endurox :p
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davistld01 wrote:
I doubt seriously that Honda will drop Canard. He's a guy who can do top-5 consistantly, and can even bust out a win when everything's right...
I doubt seriously that Honda will drop Canard. He's a guy who can do top-5 consistantly, and can even bust out a win when everything's right and he can get a start. All that, and he's good for the team, the brand and the sponsors. Yeah, he's had some horrible luck, but I think they'll give him another year. Hard to imagine Trey on a non-red bike!

That said, I don't see Roczen at Honda. Honda has made some lame decisions in the past, and they are the most "corporate" team in the pits. I'm not sure HRC could handle a guy like Kenny who's all love social media and seems to play around a lot more than anybody I've seen on Honda since MC. I do see Kenny going blue...or, orange again.



2thefront wrote:
Honda may not drop canard but that doesn't mean he won't be on another brand next year. He came VERY close to signing with Kawi 2...
Honda may not drop canard but that doesn't mean he won't be on another brand next year. He came VERY close to signing with Kawi 2 years ago. Wouldn't be a big stretch for him to go there this time.
joeellis wrote:
Only my personal opinion, but I don't see Trey leaving Honda. They have stuck with him through all his tough times and I really think loyalty...
Only my personal opinion, but I don't see Trey leaving Honda. They have stuck with him through all his tough times and I really think loyalty is big with Trey given his faith.

Would Honda finally desert Trey? That is more likely imo.
Trey has said that he really feels like Honda is "family", and they have been faithful to him through thick and thin. That said though...business is business, and money is money. Honda has made some money-driven choices in the past, and they may again.
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davistld01 wrote:
Trey has said that he really feels like Honda is "family", and they have been faithful to him through thick and thin. That said though...business is...
Trey has said that he really feels like Honda is "family", and they have been faithful to him through thick and thin. That said though...business is business, and money is money. Honda has made some money-driven choices in the past, and they may again.
I cant fault that logic... wherever he stays/goes I hope he does well.
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davistld01 wrote:
I doubt seriously that Honda will drop Canard. He's a guy who can do top-5 consistantly, and can even bust out a win when everything's right...
I doubt seriously that Honda will drop Canard. He's a guy who can do top-5 consistantly, and can even bust out a win when everything's right and he can get a start. All that, and he's good for the team, the brand and the sponsors. Yeah, he's had some horrible luck, but I think they'll give him another year. Hard to imagine Trey on a non-red bike!

That said, I don't see Roczen at Honda. Honda has made some lame decisions in the past, and they are the most "corporate" team in the pits. I'm not sure HRC could handle a guy like Kenny who's all love social media and seems to play around a lot more than anybody I've seen on Honda since MC. I do see Kenny going blue...or, orange again.



2thefront wrote:
Honda may not drop canard but that doesn't mean he won't be on another brand next year. He came VERY close to signing with Kawi 2...
Honda may not drop canard but that doesn't mean he won't be on another brand next year. He came VERY close to signing with Kawi 2 years ago. Wouldn't be a big stretch for him to go there this time.
joeellis wrote:
Only my personal opinion, but I don't see Trey leaving Honda. They have stuck with him through all his tough times and I really think loyalty...
Only my personal opinion, but I don't see Trey leaving Honda. They have stuck with him through all his tough times and I really think loyalty is big with Trey given his faith.

Would Honda finally desert Trey? That is more likely imo.
I would have to believe that Trey is done at Honda and a good friend very close to the source said ( yes i was wrong ) that HRC has ponied up a huge offer.
RC doesn't get along with C Hart or his wife. I'm pretty sure you can stick a knife in RCH after the end of this season as Alecia isn't going to toss another 4 million in the pot.
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2thefront wrote:
Honda may not drop canard but that doesn't mean he won't be on another brand next year. He came VERY close to signing with Kawi 2...
Honda may not drop canard but that doesn't mean he won't be on another brand next year. He came VERY close to signing with Kawi 2 years ago. Wouldn't be a big stretch for him to go there this time.
joeellis wrote:
Only my personal opinion, but I don't see Trey leaving Honda. They have stuck with him through all his tough times and I really think loyalty...
Only my personal opinion, but I don't see Trey leaving Honda. They have stuck with him through all his tough times and I really think loyalty is big with Trey given his faith.

Would Honda finally desert Trey? That is more likely imo.
oldschoolmxer wrote:
I would have to believe that Trey is done at Honda and a good friend very close to the source said ( yes i was wrong...
I would have to believe that Trey is done at Honda and a good friend very close to the source said ( yes i was wrong ) that HRC has ponied up a huge offer.
RC doesn't get along with C Hart or his wife. I'm pretty sure you can stick a knife in RCH after the end of this season as Alecia isn't going to toss another 4 million in the pot.
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but you might want to find a new source... Pretty much everything you just posted is completely WRONG.
RC and Cary get along just fine, RCH isn't going anywhere, they've already signed Jeremy Martin to a 7 figure contract, Pink doesn't fund the team, they have PLENTY of money to continue racing and Trey will be on a Kawasaki next year, more than likely. (Roczen has signed a 5 year deal with Honda and Seely has already signed for 2 more years)

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Rch and hart aren't ponying up all the money anyways. That's why they have sponsors!!
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joeellis wrote:
Only my personal opinion, but I don't see Trey leaving Honda. They have stuck with him through all his tough times and I really think loyalty...
Only my personal opinion, but I don't see Trey leaving Honda. They have stuck with him through all his tough times and I really think loyalty is big with Trey given his faith.

Would Honda finally desert Trey? That is more likely imo.
oldschoolmxer wrote:
I would have to believe that Trey is done at Honda and a good friend very close to the source said ( yes i was wrong...
I would have to believe that Trey is done at Honda and a good friend very close to the source said ( yes i was wrong ) that HRC has ponied up a huge offer.
RC doesn't get along with C Hart or his wife. I'm pretty sure you can stick a knife in RCH after the end of this season as Alecia isn't going to toss another 4 million in the pot.
Langhammx wrote:
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but you might want to find a new source... Pretty much everything you just posted is completely...
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but you might want to find a new source... Pretty much everything you just posted is completely WRONG.
RC and Cary get along just fine, RCH isn't going anywhere, they've already signed Jeremy Martin to a 7 figure contract, Pink doesn't fund the team, they have PLENTY of money to continue racing and Trey will be on a Kawasaki next year, more than likely. (Roczen has signed a 5 year deal with Honda and Seely has already signed for 2 more years)

And where are you getting this information? Another VItal Member with a crystal ball?
Langhammx 5/2/2016 9:49pm
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oldschoolmxer wrote:
I would have to believe that Trey is done at Honda and a good friend very close to the source said ( yes i was wrong...
I would have to believe that Trey is done at Honda and a good friend very close to the source said ( yes i was wrong ) that HRC has ponied up a huge offer.
RC doesn't get along with C Hart or his wife. I'm pretty sure you can stick a knife in RCH after the end of this season as Alecia isn't going to toss another 4 million in the pot.
Langhammx wrote:
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but you might want to find a new source... Pretty much everything you just posted is completely...
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but you might want to find a new source... Pretty much everything you just posted is completely WRONG.
RC and Cary get along just fine, RCH isn't going anywhere, they've already signed Jeremy Martin to a 7 figure contract, Pink doesn't fund the team, they have PLENTY of money to continue racing and Trey will be on a Kawasaki next year, more than likely. (Roczen has signed a 5 year deal with Honda and Seely has already signed for 2 more years)

bh84 wrote:
And where are you getting this information? Another VItal Member with a crystal ball?
yes, how did you know ?

Pretty common knowledge amongst the people I associate with.
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bh84 wrote:
And where are you getting this information? Another VItal Member with a crystal ball?
I'd say he is pretty much spot on.

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Langhammx wrote:
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but you might want to find a new source... Pretty much everything you just posted is completely...
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but you might want to find a new source... Pretty much everything you just posted is completely WRONG.
RC and Cary get along just fine, RCH isn't going anywhere, they've already signed Jeremy Martin to a 7 figure contract, Pink doesn't fund the team, they have PLENTY of money to continue racing and Trey will be on a Kawasaki next year, more than likely. (Roczen has signed a 5 year deal with Honda and Seely has already signed for 2 more years)

Do you hear anything about JGR changing manufacturers?
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Langhammx wrote:
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but you might want to find a new source... Pretty much everything you just posted is completely...
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but you might want to find a new source... Pretty much everything you just posted is completely WRONG.
RC and Cary get along just fine, RCH isn't going anywhere, they've already signed Jeremy Martin to a 7 figure contract, Pink doesn't fund the team, they have PLENTY of money to continue racing and Trey will be on a Kawasaki next year, more than likely. (Roczen has signed a 5 year deal with Honda and Seely has already signed for 2 more years)

bh84 wrote:
And where are you getting this information? Another VItal Member with a crystal ball?
Langhammx wrote:
yes, how did you know ?

Pretty common knowledge amongst the people I associate with.
Langham's been on the money more than a few times. Just saying
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Langhammx wrote:
yes, how did you know ?

Pretty common knowledge amongst the people I associate with.
Crystal ball club.Laughing Wink Cool
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Langhammx wrote:
yes, how did you know ?

Pretty common knowledge amongst the people I associate with.
kongols wrote:
Crystal ball club.Laughing Wink Cool
He's an inballer
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So if RCH losses the fastest guy in the 450 class outside of the Dung, how do they continue to grab all that so called sponsorship money?

Are the current sponsors ok with spending the same amount of money for an up and coming 250 guy that can't win a divided 250 SX championship as they were spending on Ken? Seems like an unlikely stretch to me but you never know.

If RCH current sponsors aren't cool with matching their current spend, then what happens?
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bh84 wrote:
And where are you getting this information? Another VItal Member with a crystal ball?
Sooooo, you've been around here since 2012 and you still don't know which guys have real information that you can take as gospel?! Blink
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The_Giz wrote:
So if RCH losses the fastest guy in the 450 class outside of the Dung, how do they continue to grab all that so called sponsorship...
So if RCH losses the fastest guy in the 450 class outside of the Dung, how do they continue to grab all that so called sponsorship money?

Are the current sponsors ok with spending the same amount of money for an up and coming 250 guy that can't win a divided 250 SX championship as they were spending on Ken? Seems like an unlikely stretch to me but you never know.

If RCH current sponsors aren't cool with matching their current spend, then what happens?
That team was doing fine long before they had results.
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The_Giz wrote:
So if RCH losses the fastest guy in the 450 class outside of the Dung, how do they continue to grab all that so called sponsorship...
So if RCH losses the fastest guy in the 450 class outside of the Dung, how do they continue to grab all that so called sponsorship money?

Are the current sponsors ok with spending the same amount of money for an up and coming 250 guy that can't win a divided 250 SX championship as they were spending on Ken? Seems like an unlikely stretch to me but you never know.

If RCH current sponsors aren't cool with matching their current spend, then what happens?
Crush wrote:
That team was doing fine long before they had results.
Your kidding, right?
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The_Giz wrote:
Your kidding, right?
He`s right. Team has been financially set for a long time.
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The_Giz wrote:
Your kidding, right?
Not in the slightest.

H&H was doing more than fine before RCH, Suzuki, Tickle or Kenny were part of it, and no I don't think Pink paid for shit. Listen to Watson's podcast the other week, it seems like all those sponsors were making things pretty cruisy.
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Factory Suzuki rch team with JS7 and Blake on an all new RMZ factory edition that us noobs have to wait until 2018 to get. Because...
Factory Suzuki rch team with JS7 and Blake on an all new RMZ factory edition that us noobs have to wait until 2018 to get. Because Suzuki.
I erased it, it's too stupid to respond to...

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