Supercross, is it boring now?

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Edited Date/Time 3/25/2016 9:01am
Before all the keyboard warriors go apesh!t and throw temper tantrums and smear sh!t on their monitors, hear (read) me out.

Without sounding like a cranky old man, what happened to supercross? Is it still an exciting sport? YES, 100% positive yes. However the last few seasons, especially this one, has left me feeling let down. I know I'm not the only one. All my bench racing buddies agree to differing degrees.

For lack of a better word its just become, well, bland.

We all know that watching the Dunge right now is watching history unfold. Thats fantastic and Ive been personally rooting for the guy since he was yellow bikes. Always admired his work ethic and training. Always admired his clean cut looks, personality, and the way he handles himself. Class act.

So its the Dungey era. five seconds ago it was the Villopoto era. There were a lot of people saying a lot of the same things about the sport when Villopoto was dominating too. Which leads me to think of that Who song lyric "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

Where is the excitement? Where is the drama? Where are the rivalries? Where's the bad blood? I mean, WHERE'S THE RACING?

Look Supercross and motocross were never about being name brand image squeeky clean sports. From the 80's, 90's, and 2000's we had some AMAZING and damn good racing. On any given night there was 10 guys that could challenge to win. Even during the King's reign he was challenged quite often, with the exception of the miracle '96 season which to this day still amazes me.

Todays bikes, Today's riders, Today's image of the sport has become this weird, pale, bland, and tasteless image of its self. Podium interviews suck. Want me to give you a podium interview? Here goes"

"that was an amazing race tonight. You had a good battle going with "X", and you were able to pull out with a great pass. Can you tell us how you set that up?"

"Thanks Jenny!! Ya my Rockstar/Monster/Redbull/KTM/Husqvarna/Kawasaki/Suzuki/Yamaha/MuscleMilk/Honda got me off to a great start thanks to my Dunlop/Pirelli's and Id like to thank all our sponsors *insert awkward rattlecan BS pre-rehearsed roll call*"

"oh and Chevrolet/Tundra/Ford of Escondido/San Diego/Thousand Oaks/Bellview bla bla bla!"


Really man? Its old. Its worn out. Ms. Supercross even emulates Dianna's friggin eye wink BS. Tonight she tilted her head to side.

Its become a pre-hearsed, practiced, machine. Devoid of human emotion. Devoid of enthusiasm. Devoid of substance. Devoid of character enhancement, development, and personality. Know why Jeremy McGrath was the king of supercross? 50% of what made him King was his attitude. His Charisma. His charm. He had that ability to say it how it was, keep it real, and maintain amazing sponsor relationships while keeping true to being like the guy we grew up racing against.

Even the James Stewart, Chad Reed, Ricky Carmichael era had meaningful substance.

Today's sport sucks. I dont see it getting any better moving forward. Its moving in a direction towards nascar/indy car/F1. A burned out re-enactment of professional actors playing the same story thats already been told. Because they have been groomed to be that way from the start for fear of breaking a few eggs, and hurting someone's feelings which could result in a loss of a sponsor.

by the way, the 450 heats and semi's are a friggin joke!! How many gates are empty? Tell ya what take a shot for each gate thats empty and you'll be passed out drunk before the mains.

/in before you're old, you can't keep up with the times, this is the only way to keep the sport alive, this is where the money is, quit your complaining supercross is at least live (sort of), what else do you want, I wasn't alive or didn't watch the sport prior to 2010.
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I'm not reading all that
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450s.
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Agree. Especially with 450s being the problem. Racing is still exciting in 250 class for the most part.
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rbabb524 wrote:
Agree. Especially with 450s being the problem. Racing is still exciting in 250 class for the most part.
Throw Dungey on a 250 and he'll still wipe the floor with everybody else. The bikes are not the problem. Hell, I don't think there's a problem at all. A ton of people romanticize how good the racing was back in the day when you could only read about it in Cycle News 2 weeks after the fact, or pay to call that one phone number or whatever.

Like I said in another thread, it's ridiculous to think that there should be bar banging action at the front of the pack every race.
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es337 wrote:
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exactly.
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MR. X wrote:
I'm not reading all that
Spit my F...ing drink into my screen Laughing

Timing to this post was perfect Grinning
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I've been watching sx since 94. It's always been dominated by 1-2 maybe 3 guys every season. Actually these past few years it's been kind of up in the air who can win any given night. Which is always good. Dungey is a good bet, but you don't really know. I think the format is what sucks. Multi moto format is where it's at for me. I think it would make it more interesting to watch. The heats and semis are stale. Just because they don't carry any weight besides a spot in the main race. Qualify during the day. Run the 2 or 3 moto formats for the night show. All points counting.
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MR. X wrote:
I'm not reading all that
Laughing Laughing Laughing
3/19/2016 8:06pm
Crush wrote:
450s.
I agree. Put the premier class on 250Fs. Put the regional classes on 125 two strokes (fuck Honda).

Make sure the tracks have a bunch of 180s, a long whoops section (like tonight), and some random shit. Oh, and no holeshot devices, which is a fair way to make the starts more unpredictable.

The only thing a chase points system will do is penalize the guy who had his act together from the start of the season.
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No. it's about to get interesting.
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GuyB wrote:
No. it's about to get interesting.
Chad?..... is that you?
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Yes it is boring. I've watched every race for the last 10 or so years. There needs to be a chase format. Love it or hate it, it will lead to more viewers and better racing down the stretch.
3/19/2016 8:12pm
I agree with the O.P.
However, when we do see someone that goes against the grain of "now" we get a bunch of complaining. Take Anderson for example. He's a very aggressive rider, and definitely makes things interesting. Most like to complain about his riding. Last week Malcolm Stewart had a non scripted post race interview and got dogged on for making the comment "I need the money".
You can't please everyone...
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Build a track that has a wall to slow riders down bitch bitch bitch.

Build a track that is technical and no flow riders cant pass,bitch bitchity bitch.

Build a track that flows everyone does the same times no passing bitch bitchy bitch

Right hand 1st turn ,oh hell.

450s,scarry

250s ,to costly to build competive engines

Go watch march madness dribble a damn ball

Turn on the golf channel and drink beer.

Afuckingamazin'
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hillbilly wrote:
Build a track that has a wall to slow riders down bitch bitch bitch. Build a track that is technical and no flow riders cant pass,bitch...
Build a track that has a wall to slow riders down bitch bitch bitch.

Build a track that is technical and no flow riders cant pass,bitch bitchity bitch.

Build a track that flows everyone does the same times no passing bitch bitchy bitch

Right hand 1st turn ,oh hell.

450s,scarry

250s ,to costly to build competive engines

Go watch march madness dribble a damn ball

Turn on the golf channel and drink beer.

Afuckingamazin'
90% of all race day comments right here
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Didn't read the OP as it was wayyy too long, but I didn't find the show boring tonight. The 250 class had some drama, and I enjoyed the 450 main. Although the camera wasn't always on what I wanted to see, I would rather have watched Tomac or K-Roc work their way through the pack, and some of the action between Anderson and MM.
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as for the subject line question?





NO.
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rbabb524 wrote:
Agree. Especially with 450s being the problem. Racing is still exciting in 250 class for the most part.
zehn wrote:
Throw Dungey on a 250 and he'll still wipe the floor with everybody else. The bikes are not the problem. Hell, I don't think there's a...
Throw Dungey on a 250 and he'll still wipe the floor with everybody else. The bikes are not the problem. Hell, I don't think there's a problem at all. A ton of people romanticize how good the racing was back in the day when you could only read about it in Cycle News 2 weeks after the fact, or pay to call that one phone number or whatever.

Like I said in another thread, it's ridiculous to think that there should be bar banging action at the front of the pack every race.
I agree with you that Dungey would still win. However I want to see more movement throughout the pack. I think it is bad for racing and race craft for the riders to be able to jump any jump on track from any line through a corner.
Watch the 250s and tell me it is not more exciting. They can't always triple out of a turn without going wide. The bigger rhythms, like tonight's "quad", aren't possible everylap except for a few riders.
3/19/2016 8:52pm Edited Date/Time 3/19/2016 8:52pm
Don't like the races, don't watch them. Ain't hurting anyone's feelings, bro...
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hillbilly wrote:
Build a track that has a wall to slow riders down bitch bitch bitch. Build a track that is technical and no flow riders cant pass,bitch...
Build a track that has a wall to slow riders down bitch bitch bitch.

Build a track that is technical and no flow riders cant pass,bitch bitchity bitch.

Build a track that flows everyone does the same times no passing bitch bitchy bitch

Right hand 1st turn ,oh hell.

450s,scarry

250s ,to costly to build competive engines

Go watch march madness dribble a damn ball

Turn on the golf channel and drink beer.

Afuckingamazin'
zehn wrote:
90% of all race day comments right here
The other 10% being that it's all great and we should stop bitching even though it isn't.
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Stupid and boring, fast forward to the mains and then delete it all.
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Crush wrote:
450s.
I agree. Put the premier class on 250Fs. Put the regional classes on 125 two strokes (fuck Honda). Make sure the tracks have a bunch of...
I agree. Put the premier class on 250Fs. Put the regional classes on 125 two strokes (fuck Honda).

Make sure the tracks have a bunch of 180s, a long whoops section (like tonight), and some random shit. Oh, and no holeshot devices, which is a fair way to make the starts more unpredictable.

The only thing a chase points system will do is penalize the guy who had his act together from the start of the season.
This make long whoop sections is the worst thing if you want to get away from what the OP said. Whoops only mean the one guy who is really good in them like either Stewart will get away from the rest. Why do people keep putting this stuff up as though it will make for better racing? No obstacles would make for better racing since skills would be more equal...maybe not as interesting or fun to watch.... but better racing.

But back to the dominating part. Confidence is the key. If RV made a come back and was at a 100% like he used to be, I think Dungey would present a different challenge than before and get in RVs head this time. The tide has turned the way it does for every rider that beats the dominating rider of the time.
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It's never boring to me.

But all this manufactured drama of dockings makes it even less boring.
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You ask if supercross is boring. The first sentence of your rant is "it still an exciting sport? YES, 100% positive yes.".

Do you see any problems with that? I still can't wait for Saturday nights to watch the races. Way more exciting than any of the other sports I watched this weekend.
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I agree. It has lost something lately. Making the 250's the premier class would be a good idea. However allow both 4 strokes and 2 strokes! Mix it up a little Feld!
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3/19/2016 9:58pm Edited Date/Time 3/19/2016 10:01pm
The issue is injuries. How many riders are either currently out with injuries, or recovering from injuries? And something even harder to judge, how many have that extra edge taken off by being tired of being injured? Either consciously or subconsciously.

We want huge whoops and 60 foot jumps. None of which are conducive to close racing. The current equipment allows it, but there are consequences. The period of the dominant riders coincides with when this really kicked in. We had tight seasons when we were lucky enough to have several riders who didn't fall into these categories. Doesn't last long.

Don't see it getting better because it's what people want to see.
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Supercross usually is boring. You're supposed to race dirtbikes outside. They have more than 2 gears for a reason. I'm always excited for sx because it's like giving a porterhouse dinner to a starving man after off season...and then I can't wait til it's over after the first 3 races.

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