Aldon Baker's training should be on the banned substance list

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Edited Date/Time 2/1/2016 9:32pm
Aldon himself is like a performance enhancing dude.

His riders are crushing it, congrats to all of them.

Dungey is on point but sorry, can someone, anyone else win next week please?
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Hank_Thrill 1/30/2016 10:16pm
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Lol. Seriously!

Wonder what KRoc thinks about it after tonight?

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Garrett314 1/30/2016 10:19pm
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I think as long as riders can prevent the burnout that some get with Aldon, his program is proven to bring championships or elevate the riders success. Happy for Dungey, Musquin, and Anderson.
TheGetFresh 1/30/2016 10:22pm
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The problem isn't that Aldon is that good, it's that most of the other trainers in the mx scene aren't any good. You've got lunatics like Ryan Hughes and chill-bro wannabe celebrities like that Rockwell guy. These young guys get put into these ridiculous programs where some guy is yelling at them to juggle kettle bells while standing 1-legged on a balance board like that's the missing piece of their game. Same thing with DV. Great rider, but what does he know about fitness training? The sport needs more guys like Aldon and seiji who actually have a training background that they bring into racing, not the other way around.

I'm really interested to see what happens with seiji when short officially hangs it up. Hope he starts his own aldon type camp.
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Joe Camel 1/30/2016 10:26pm
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They were all losers before him?

The guy is a glorified babysitter/motivator. For his fee, he should be preparing meals, and supplying a steady stream of high class hookers.

Whats funny is he makes more money than the racers. Lolz

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JDUB35 1/30/2016 10:27pm
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I really like Dungey, but this winning crap has got to stop. Wink
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RG1 1/30/2016 10:29pm
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Lol. Seriously!

Wonder what KRoc thinks about it after tonight?

Probably not too bad. You have to find a program that works for you, and Roczen felt that it wasn't right for him at that point in his career. He could feel that he was burning out and that he didn't feel good and he didn't want to be done in 3-4 years. He's still very young. If he has any regrets it's leaving KTM not Aldon
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Garrett314 1/30/2016 10:33pm
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Lol. Seriously!

Wonder what KRoc thinks about it after tonight?

RG1 wrote:
Probably not too bad. You have to find a program that works for you, and Roczen felt that it wasn't right for him at that point...
Probably not too bad. You have to find a program that works for you, and Roczen felt that it wasn't right for him at that point in his career. He could feel that he was burning out and that he didn't feel good and he didn't want to be done in 3-4 years. He's still very young. If he has any regrets it's leaving KTM not Aldon
agreed
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visser62 1/30/2016 10:37pm
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Lol. Seriously!

Wonder what KRoc thinks about it after tonight?

RG1 wrote:
Probably not too bad. You have to find a program that works for you, and Roczen felt that it wasn't right for him at that point...
Probably not too bad. You have to find a program that works for you, and Roczen felt that it wasn't right for him at that point in his career. He could feel that he was burning out and that he didn't feel good and he didn't want to be done in 3-4 years. He's still very young. If he has any regrets it's leaving KTM not Aldon
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agreed
Dungey doesn't look burnt out to me. Kenny left because his dad wanted him to leave.
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Garrett314 1/30/2016 10:42pm
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RG1 wrote:
Probably not too bad. You have to find a program that works for you, and Roczen felt that it wasn't right for him at that point...
Probably not too bad. You have to find a program that works for you, and Roczen felt that it wasn't right for him at that point in his career. He could feel that he was burning out and that he didn't feel good and he didn't want to be done in 3-4 years. He's still very young. If he has any regrets it's leaving KTM not Aldon
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agreed
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Dungey doesn't look burnt out to me. Kenny left because his dad wanted him to leave.
I don't think anyone thinks Dungey is burnt out. He fits in well with Aldon's program. Aldon said at one point that Dungey was overtraining before joining his program. As for Kenny, I have no clue but he did state that the program left him feeling fatigued on race days.
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h&m_cycle 1/30/2016 10:46pm
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Lol. Seriously!

Wonder what KRoc thinks about it after tonight?

Kenny doesn't need Aldon... he needs to get rid of that Suzuki... Let's see Aldon Baker help Alex Martin win a championship... Motocross or Supercross...

Let's see Aldon help Peick win a title... Aldon worked wonders for Dungey already a champion...

Aldon worked wonders for RV2... same way...

Now you got to give Aldon credit for turning Anderson from a Tier 2 rider into a Tier 1...
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Joe Camel 1/30/2016 10:52pm
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There is no such thing as overtraining at that age.

Only undereating and undersleeping.

The guys program didnt do shit for AC except get him so malnourished and iron deficient he missed a season.

A kid that age should be eating a good 6-10 balanced meals a day. Or more.
How do you get so iron deficient you get sick at that age?

Eating a sickly ten speed bike rider diet.
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visser62 wrote:
Dungey doesn't look burnt out to me. Kenny left because his dad wanted him to leave.
Disagree. Kenny left Aldon because he felt like crap the last half of the Outdoor season. I can't say I blame him. Kenny needs to get off RCH at the end of this year and he'll be fine
mattyhamz2 1/30/2016 10:54pm
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I really like Dungey, but this winning crap has got to stop. Wink
Agreed. I don't even want to watch the 450's anymore unless someone else wins. It's boring and he's boring. Great rider and fast but as boring as they come. RV, Stewart, Reed, RC and MC all had something about them when they were dominating. It was exciting watching them win but dungey doesn't.....
sandspider250 1/30/2016 10:54pm
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was he there? I didn't get a visual
GeorgiePorgie 1/30/2016 11:06pm
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Musquin looked sick to me on the podium. Dungey looks fit but musquin looks druggie sick.

I'm not saying he's soing drugs. But he was so skinny and Boney.
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Garrett314 1/30/2016 11:16pm
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
Musquin looked sick to me on the podium. Dungey looks fit but musquin looks druggie sick. I'm not saying he's soing drugs. But he was so...
Musquin looked sick to me on the podium. Dungey looks fit but musquin looks druggie sick.

I'm not saying he's soing drugs. But he was so skinny and Boney.
He's always been tiny but I'm guessing he is in the 145-150 range. I think he's decently tall too, so that makes his frame look that much smaller.
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Agreed. I don't even want to watch the 450's anymore unless someone else wins. It's boring and he's boring. Great rider and fast but as boring...
Agreed. I don't even want to watch the 450's anymore unless someone else wins. It's boring and he's boring. Great rider and fast but as boring as they come. RV, Stewart, Reed, RC and MC all had something about them when they were dominating. It was exciting watching them win but dungey doesn't.....
Guys like Bailey JMB Windham Everts who made winning look effortless and easy. Ya, they were really boring to watch win as well. smfh
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Joe Camel wrote:
They were all losers before him? The guy is a glorified babysitter/motivator. For his fee, he should be preparing meals, and supplying a steady stream of...
They were all losers before him?

The guy is a glorified babysitter/motivator. For his fee, he should be preparing meals, and supplying a steady stream of high class hookers.

Whats funny is he makes more money than the racers. Lolz
Has any racer ever left Aldon's program and had more success without him? Bubba left him after '09, we all know how he's been since. Roczen left him after winning the '14 450 National Championship, and he's been wishy washy. I know his program isn't for every racer, but it REALLY seems like leaving his program hasn't helped anyone improve.

He makes more than the racers? I doubt that, but if it's true, it's only when they're not winning races and championships dude ($$$$$$). Which his riders seem to do. A lot.

Seriously though, people complaining that it's boring watching RD win were the same people all over RV's nuts when he would holeshot and lead every lap 4 races in a row. No freaking appreciation for how epic Dungey's performance has been so far this year. It's early I know, but 6 years into his 450 career and he's better than ever. I've never seen someone get faster by this much this late into their careers. It's amazing.

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visser62 wrote:
Dungey doesn't look burnt out to me. Kenny left because his dad wanted him to leave.
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Disagree. Kenny left Aldon because he felt like crap the last half of the Outdoor season. I can't say I blame him. Kenny needs to get...
Disagree. Kenny left Aldon because he felt like crap the last half of the Outdoor season. I can't say I blame him. Kenny needs to get off RCH at the end of this year and he'll be fine
i really disagree , put kenny on a ktm and dungey out front ,he still wins tonight . i really dont know why everyone is blaming the bike . ken looks faster than he has ever been in SX . just dungey is faster too . he needs to get his starts down , but js7 had no problem get great starts on the same bike . there is just this myth that if dungey beats ken , there must be something wrong with the bike ,the training etc etc .
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sandspider250 wrote:
was he there? I didn't get a visual
Yep. Oakley glasses, hat, grey shirt.

Laughing with the winners.
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Antonioni 1/31/2016 1:16am
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I think the training program of baker has never been at this level before (althought the gap is quite small and not totaly because of him). Why? Concerning the physical training, I think Baker (with his quite huge experience now) heads toward less but more effective, and more suitable according the rider. And concerning a general aspect, more listening to his pilots. Also three of the most talented riders, riding almost for the same team, who train all week on the track each against others, very closely (nearly related), with remarkable good spirit because they also three of the nicest and smartest guy, this done an unique and redoubtable, emulation.
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Antonioni 1/31/2016 1:29am
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The problem isn't that Aldon is that good, it's that most of the other trainers in the mx scene aren't any good. You've got lunatics like...
The problem isn't that Aldon is that good, it's that most of the other trainers in the mx scene aren't any good. You've got lunatics like Ryan Hughes and chill-bro wannabe celebrities like that Rockwell guy. These young guys get put into these ridiculous programs where some guy is yelling at them to juggle kettle bells while standing 1-legged on a balance board like that's the missing piece of their game. Same thing with DV. Great rider, but what does he know about fitness training? The sport needs more guys like Aldon and seiji who actually have a training background that they bring into racing, not the other way around.

I'm really interested to see what happens with seiji when short officially hangs it up. Hope he starts his own aldon type camp.
"...it's that most of the other trainers in the mx scene aren't any good..."
I'm so agree, nothing more true IMO.
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The problem isn't that Aldon is that good, it's that most of the other trainers in the mx scene aren't any good. You've got lunatics like...
The problem isn't that Aldon is that good, it's that most of the other trainers in the mx scene aren't any good. You've got lunatics like Ryan Hughes and chill-bro wannabe celebrities like that Rockwell guy. These young guys get put into these ridiculous programs where some guy is yelling at them to juggle kettle bells while standing 1-legged on a balance board like that's the missing piece of their game. Same thing with DV. Great rider, but what does he know about fitness training? The sport needs more guys like Aldon and seiji who actually have a training background that they bring into racing, not the other way around.

I'm really interested to see what happens with seiji when short officially hangs it up. Hope he starts his own aldon type camp.
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"...it's that most of the other trainers in the mx scene aren't any good..."
I'm so agree, nothing more true IMO.
On the other hand that Rockwell guy is Cooper's trainer and Ryan Hughes works with Eli quite a bit.

Results in MX have more to do with how difficult it is to make up time when everyone does the same thing, to topple someone who is brimming of confidence, has an amazing bike setup and gets the holeshot or thereabouts every race.

Four strokes aren't helping any of that either. They all do the same shit now, mistakes are recovered in a moment and the tracks aren't as technical as they once were. Waiting for mistakes is a mugs game these days.
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Do you guys have ever tried to pass a guy for 5 laps riding all over the place? When you finally make the pass you are spent! I think If it had been the other way around Kenny would have run away too.
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visser62 wrote:
Dungey doesn't look burnt out to me. Kenny left because his dad wanted him to leave.
RG1 wrote:
Disagree. Kenny left Aldon because he felt like crap the last half of the Outdoor season. I can't say I blame him. Kenny needs to get...
Disagree. Kenny left Aldon because he felt like crap the last half of the Outdoor season. I can't say I blame him. Kenny needs to get off RCH at the end of this year and he'll be fine
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i really disagree , put kenny on a ktm and dungey out front ,he still wins tonight . i really dont know why everyone is blaming...
i really disagree , put kenny on a ktm and dungey out front ,he still wins tonight . i really dont know why everyone is blaming the bike . ken looks faster than he has ever been in SX . just dungey is faster too . he needs to get his starts down , but js7 had no problem get great starts on the same bike . there is just this myth that if dungey beats ken , there must be something wrong with the bike ,the training etc etc .
Maybe he doesn't beat him last night. But he wouldn't be nearly a race down in points already. That bike of Kenny's is not as good as a factory KTM, and RCH is not as good of a team as Factory KTM. In terms of what has had a bigger effect on Roczens performance, leaving KTM was a bigger mistake than leaving Aldon Baker.
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downard254 1/31/2016 6:07am
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RG1 wrote:
Disagree. Kenny left Aldon because he felt like crap the last half of the Outdoor season. I can't say I blame him. Kenny needs to get...
Disagree. Kenny left Aldon because he felt like crap the last half of the Outdoor season. I can't say I blame him. Kenny needs to get off RCH at the end of this year and he'll be fine
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i really disagree , put kenny on a ktm and dungey out front ,he still wins tonight . i really dont know why everyone is blaming...
i really disagree , put kenny on a ktm and dungey out front ,he still wins tonight . i really dont know why everyone is blaming the bike . ken looks faster than he has ever been in SX . just dungey is faster too . he needs to get his starts down , but js7 had no problem get great starts on the same bike . there is just this myth that if dungey beats ken , there must be something wrong with the bike ,the training etc etc .
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Maybe he doesn't beat him last night. But he wouldn't be nearly a race down in points already. That bike of Kenny's is not as good...
Maybe he doesn't beat him last night. But he wouldn't be nearly a race down in points already. That bike of Kenny's is not as good as a factory KTM, and RCH is not as good of a team as Factory KTM. In terms of what has had a bigger effect on Roczens performance, leaving KTM was a bigger mistake than leaving Aldon Baker.
The Suzuki looked plenty good the first 3-4 races of 2015 when Kenny was controlling the series before he cased that triple. Pretty much the same Suzuki, and the same KTM (for the most part). I don't think it's the bike, and I don't know that it's a Baker thing either (well maybe a little). Kenny just doesn't seem to be in that happy place where he is "on" to me. I think Aldon has the effect of convincing his riders that they are nearly invincible and gives them great confidence, Kenny seems to be lacking that and who's to say that it's the Baker programs cause/fault. Kenny looks just like Dungey did on the podium between 2011-2014 when he just didn't seem as confident. You could see the confidence in RV at all times. Of course, this is all just speculation and opinion.
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brimx153 wrote:
i really disagree , put kenny on a ktm and dungey out front ,he still wins tonight . i really dont know why everyone is blaming...
i really disagree , put kenny on a ktm and dungey out front ,he still wins tonight . i really dont know why everyone is blaming the bike . ken looks faster than he has ever been in SX . just dungey is faster too . he needs to get his starts down , but js7 had no problem get great starts on the same bike . there is just this myth that if dungey beats ken , there must be something wrong with the bike ,the training etc etc .
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Maybe he doesn't beat him last night. But he wouldn't be nearly a race down in points already. That bike of Kenny's is not as good...
Maybe he doesn't beat him last night. But he wouldn't be nearly a race down in points already. That bike of Kenny's is not as good as a factory KTM, and RCH is not as good of a team as Factory KTM. In terms of what has had a bigger effect on Roczens performance, leaving KTM was a bigger mistake than leaving Aldon Baker.
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The Suzuki looked plenty good the first 3-4 races of 2015 when Kenny was controlling the series before he cased that triple. Pretty much the same...
The Suzuki looked plenty good the first 3-4 races of 2015 when Kenny was controlling the series before he cased that triple. Pretty much the same Suzuki, and the same KTM (for the most part). I don't think it's the bike, and I don't know that it's a Baker thing either (well maybe a little). Kenny just doesn't seem to be in that happy place where he is "on" to me. I think Aldon has the effect of convincing his riders that they are nearly invincible and gives them great confidence, Kenny seems to be lacking that and who's to say that it's the Baker programs cause/fault. Kenny looks just like Dungey did on the podium between 2011-2014 when he just didn't seem as confident. You could see the confidence in RV at all times. Of course, this is all just speculation and opinion.
I agree with you that confidence and happiness is obviously very important, and Dungey is happier and more confident than anyone out there right now. I'm not saying that Suzuki is a bad bike, but which bike/team would you rather be on?
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Reading aldon baker threads are just like neck brace threads. I agree aldon turns champions into champions.
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RG1 wrote:
I agree with you that confidence and happiness is obviously very important, and Dungey is happier and more confident than anyone out there right now. I'm...
I agree with you that confidence and happiness is obviously very important, and Dungey is happier and more confident than anyone out there right now. I'm not saying that Suzuki is a bad bike, but which bike/team would you rather be on?
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