How would you handle this Rocky Mountain Atv Mc problem

Old-Man
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1/15/2016 7:44pm
Last year I ordered about $400 worth of gear online. FedEx confirmed it was delivered but I never got it. 2 weeks later a neighbor boy...
Last year I ordered about $400 worth of gear online. FedEx confirmed it was delivered but I never got it. 2 weeks later a neighbor boy who was probably 10 rode his bicycle past my house wearing one of my ordered Fox jerseys with my name and racing number on the back (even tho it was way too big for him.) Turns out they delivered it to the wrong house and the kids parents decided to keep it.
Sandberm wrote:
Thats messed up.

People are such assholes.
His parents sure got an earful from me.
Parents? geese dude that shit is a federal offence police should have been called show the kid how wrong his parent are.
1/15/2016 8:56pm
Sandberm wrote:
Thats messed up.

People are such assholes.
His parents sure got an earful from me.
Old-Man wrote:
Parents? geese dude that shit is a federal offence police should have been called show the kid how wrong his parent are.
By the time I found out what happened I had already got a refund. The fedex driver admitted he may have delivered it to the wrong house so I got a check in the mail a few days later. I reported them to fedex but I'm not sure if they ever filed charges. The family ended up getting evicted a few months later.
1/15/2016 9:14pm
Check the terms of the agreement and see whether it is "FOB origin" or "Fob destination" -- if it's the latter then the risk of loss is legally held by the seller until the good arrives.
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1/15/2016 9:23pm Edited Date/Time 1/15/2016 9:23pm
Tracktor wrote:
I'm sorry until a paid for item is delivered to me and I receive it the onus is on the seller. They need to take steps...
I'm sorry until a paid for item is delivered to me and I receive it the onus is on the seller. They need to take steps to correct the issue not me. That said, RMATV is usually very good at taking care of these things? Telling you it's not their problem doesn't sound right.............
Sorry but you're wrong. What power does RMATV have over Fedex? The answer is none. Once they physically pack up the order and deliver it to Fedex/whoever, it's no longer their responsibility.

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1/15/2016 9:34pm
As a seller it is your responsibility to insure your packages. If the package is lost/damaged/stolen it is the burden of the seller to give refund or replacement. If the seller insured your package and have a legitimate claim than both parties should be no worse off than before. If the seller does not insure the package and the same lost/damage/stolen occurs than the seller is SOL.
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1/15/2016 10:03pm
They just write it off.
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1/15/2016 10:39pm
I've had a few nightmares from hell with fedex in my time, some dragging on for months, and it's not fun. First, you can call fedex/ups or whoever you used, but it won't do any good. They won't even look at a claim unless you're the shipper, and that of course is rocky mountain in your case. You can call the shipping companies Customer service line, and say whatever you want for as long as you want, but it won't do any good. The first layer of customer service people won't do anything but wait for you to tire yourself out and give up. Nothing you say is going to get anything from them, they literally do not care at all and their job is not to fix your problem, but to basically get you to give up. This is not exageration. BUT.......there are three strategies which may work for you. Either rocky Mountain has a halfway decent customer service policy and sends you new stuff immedietely, and uses their leverage as a big client to settle with fedex quicker and easier than any individual person could, OR you call the shipping companies 800 number and immedietely ask for a customer advocate, escalation, high ranking supervisor, whatever it's called. I've done this and while it's not a miracle fix by any means, your odds are much better than they would be if you never got past the first line of customer service people. But you absolutely HAVE to be a dick and basically refuse to get off the phone when they stonewall you. When I was nice and polite and non-confrontational, they screwed me to the wall. They don't give a shit about you and are going to hear people far, far more unpleasant than you all day, so don't feel too bad about it.
But by far the best thing to do is send an email blast describing your problem and an a detailed description of everything that's happened. You can use Google to find the emails of the big shipping company executives, and I'm sure rocky Mountain has their management contact info somewhere on their website if you look hard enough. The executive email blast is by far your best bet, and will end the problem weeks sooner than anything else you could try.
Okay, rant over. Good luck bro.
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1/15/2016 10:43pm
mb wrote:
As a seller it is your responsibility to insure your packages. If the package is lost/damaged/stolen it is the burden of the seller to give refund...
As a seller it is your responsibility to insure your packages. If the package is lost/damaged/stolen it is the burden of the seller to give refund or replacement. If the seller insured your package and have a legitimate claim than both parties should be no worse off than before. If the seller does not insure the package and the same lost/damage/stolen occurs than the seller is SOL.
This is true, ans it is literally a button that you click when preparing the shipping document. It then asks you what you want to ensure it up to in dollars. I had to next day air a freightliner transmission from St. Louis to Honolulu. Whoa buddy that was expensive! Then I ensured it for up to $12,000. The insurance cost is a extra $350 but it was well worth it.
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1/15/2016 11:03pm
I have a local mc shop less than a block from me, on the same street. I swear the ups guy doesn't even look at the address's. When he sees tires or any packaging that is moto related in his truck he just drops the stuff off their shop. I see the deliver trackers says it was delivered, but it's not here, I jump in the truck and go pick up my stuff at their shop.
1/16/2016 2:50am
nytsmaC wrote:
They just write it off.


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1/16/2016 3:03am Edited Date/Time 1/16/2016 3:03am
Contact FedEx to try to get it resolved.
If they say it was a theft - file a police report.
Also file a charge back dispute with your credit card company for failure to deliver goods.
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1/16/2016 4:49am
I've done pretty much all suggestions mentioned. Between my wife and I, I think we've talked to everyone at RM, and in the end its still "tough luck". I've opened a dispute with fedex and my cc company. They say it was delivered to the correct address. RM offered a discount if I ordered again, and I did it because I need the tires for the weekend (this time sig required, and I had to specifically ask for that, and the dude on the phone acted like he was doing me some huge favor to do that). I felt like Marceles Wallace in the basement, and RM is Zed. In the end, i'm pretty disappointed in RM that they were so unhelpful. Its certainly the last time Ill order from them.
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1/16/2016 8:30am
RY9MX wrote:
I've done pretty much all suggestions mentioned. Between my wife and I, I think we've talked to everyone at RM, and in the end its still...
I've done pretty much all suggestions mentioned. Between my wife and I, I think we've talked to everyone at RM, and in the end its still "tough luck". I've opened a dispute with fedex and my cc company. They say it was delivered to the correct address. RM offered a discount if I ordered again, and I did it because I need the tires for the weekend (this time sig required, and I had to specifically ask for that, and the dude on the phone acted like he was doing me some huge favor to do that). I felt like Marceles Wallace in the basement, and RM is Zed. In the end, i'm pretty disappointed in RM that they were so unhelpful. Its certainly the last time Ill order from them.
Find the last hub the package was at, the one that loaded it for delivery. Call that location specifically and report the issue ,not some person at a desk hours away. Sometimes packages end up under a conveyor belt or torn open and employees just leave them (witnessed this as i worked a second job at UPS.) A friend of mine lost a $6,000 turbo kit for a car as UPS stated and a supervisor at one of the locations found the box torn up in the corner after it had been "lost" for multiple months.This happens much more than people think... also if you seen the chaos it would be easy to understand how this happens.
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1/16/2016 8:55am
1) Drive to your local shop
2) Bullshit with parts guy about tonight's SX
3) Buy tires
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1/16/2016 10:01am
What he said^^. I tell our customers, if you buy from us we take the risk of it not showing up. If it's the wrong size, we take care of it. Until we put it in your hands it's on us and it's wrong you don't have to get a return authorization. Our prices are comparable plus you get to put your hands on it. The more you buy from us the more we can stock.

Besides that you can sit on the new motorcycles while you're here.
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1/16/2016 10:37am
Brought this to their attention on Twitter, and they responded. It's never good when you have a bad experience like this. Hope they get you squared away! Best of luck!
1/16/2016 10:47am Edited Date/Time 1/16/2016 1:04pm
RY9MX wrote:
So, most of the time I use BTO or motosport, but I used rmatvmc for some tires. I was expecting them on Monday. Monday afternoon comes...
So, most of the time I use BTO or motosport, but I used rmatvmc for some tires. I was expecting them on Monday. Monday afternoon comes around, and I don't receive anything, so I check the tracking. It says package was delivered, even though I never got anything. I go round and round with RM and fed ex. In the end they, (RM), say tough luck, no insurance on deliveries, and I would have to buy the tires again (about a $325 purchase). What would you do?
We're sorry to hear that this has happened. We want to do everything and anything we can to help you out. Do you happen to have an order number associated with this order?

Typically if a package is showing that it has been delivered we file what's called a driver follow up. With this, the driver who claimed to have dropped off the package, usually comes over and "shows" where they delivered the items. In most all cases this is something that we work with, with the carrier and you get taken care of always! However, if this is something that you think may have got stolen from your property then this is when a police report needs to be filed.

Thank you and please note that we want to do everything we can to get you taken care of. We are not in any way saying tough luck.
1/16/2016 10:48am
JW269 wrote:
Brought this to their attention on Twitter, and they responded. It's never good when you have a bad experience like this. Hope they get you squared...
Brought this to their attention on Twitter, and they responded. It's never good when you have a bad experience like this. Hope they get you squared away! Best of luck!
Thank you for bringing this to our attention!
1/16/2016 11:22am
RY9MX wrote:
So, most of the time I use BTO or motosport, but I used rmatvmc for some tires. I was expecting them on Monday. Monday afternoon comes...
So, most of the time I use BTO or motosport, but I used rmatvmc for some tires. I was expecting them on Monday. Monday afternoon comes around, and I don't receive anything, so I check the tracking. It says package was delivered, even though I never got anything. I go round and round with RM and fed ex. In the end they, (RM), say tough luck, no insurance on deliveries, and I would have to buy the tires again (about a $325 purchase). What would you do?
Are you telling me there is no local shop in Miami that you can buy tires from. I know you may spend a little more but then you would not have to deal with problems like this. Sad part is you are trashing RMATV for a FEDEX problem so what ever hassles you are dealing with well they go with the territory. I understand you want to save a few bucks but when there is a problem then go to the source of the problem and that is the shipper.
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1/16/2016 11:32am
I've noticed that the USPS guys in my area are fudging their numbers a bit. I've had several packages show as delivered on the tracking but it's no where to be found. Then I see the guy with my own eyes deliver it 3 days after it says delivered. This has typically been with Amazon deliveries and I think the USPS is probably under a lot of pressure to maintain that 2 day shipping that Amazon offers. Anyways this don't help you at all, as you were.
1/16/2016 11:40am Edited Date/Time 1/16/2016 11:41am
It sounds like you're tried almost everything.

Perhaps you could send them a professional email informing them of the situation and linking them to this thread.Tell them that your post explaining the situation has generated 3,000+ views, and counting. Let them know that this issue now has the attention of thousands of people that are squarely within their target demographic. Besides threatening litigation, I think this is the strongest move you have left.

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1/16/2016 11:59am
RY9MX wrote:
So, most of the time I use BTO or motosport, but I used rmatvmc for some tires. I was expecting them on Monday. Monday afternoon comes...
So, most of the time I use BTO or motosport, but I used rmatvmc for some tires. I was expecting them on Monday. Monday afternoon comes around, and I don't receive anything, so I check the tracking. It says package was delivered, even though I never got anything. I go round and round with RM and fed ex. In the end they, (RM), say tough luck, no insurance on deliveries, and I would have to buy the tires again (about a $325 purchase). What would you do?
lostboy819 wrote:
Are you telling me there is no local shop in Miami that you can buy tires from. I know you may spend a little more but...
Are you telling me there is no local shop in Miami that you can buy tires from. I know you may spend a little more but then you would not have to deal with problems like this. Sad part is you are trashing RMATV for a FEDEX problem so what ever hassles you are dealing with well they go with the territory. I understand you want to save a few bucks but when there is a problem then go to the source of the problem and that is the shipper.
I use a nice local shop that ive used my whole life over in Naples (Cypress Cycle) where my parents live, but I don't go there that often. You obviously have never been to a local Miami shop as a white guy that doesn't speak Spanish. Its pretty ridiculous how bad they openly discriminate (i'm not kidding either)

And Lacey from RM, I don't have the time to argue again. I run a pretty good size business and have two little kids that I would rather spend my free time with. I've gone through at least 4 different levels of "supervisors/managers" on multiple occasions and i'm done with it. Ill chalk it up to a life lesson, and just do my business elseware. Ive had 6-8 different people there say the same thing, which is "too bad".
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1/16/2016 2:04pm
zehn wrote:
Sorry but you're wrong. What power does RMATV have over Fedex? The answer is none. Once they physically pack up the order and deliver it to...
Sorry but you're wrong. What power does RMATV have over Fedex? The answer is none. Once they physically pack up the order and deliver it to Fedex/whoever, it's no longer their responsibility.
Wrong they have a lot of leverage. Their a huge customs for them. They shipped it, and they have to deal with FedEx to get it handled quickly, not the customer. The customer has all the leverage. All one has to do is call their credit card company and dispute the charge for nondelivery merchandise. Game over, and you have a refund.
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1/16/2016 2:22pm
Call credit card company to have payment taken off your card.

I use pay pal, and for free it gives me an option to have google shipping insurance protection for free. Might want to use pay pal for that reason alone.
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1/16/2016 2:27pm
Hmmm, just bought a blower motor on eBay shipped ups, tracking number and all - was shipped to and received by someone in Kentucky. I live in Canada. 8/
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1/16/2016 3:19pm
zehn wrote:
Sorry but you're wrong. What power does RMATV have over Fedex? The answer is none. Once they physically pack up the order and deliver it to...
Sorry but you're wrong. What power does RMATV have over Fedex? The answer is none. Once they physically pack up the order and deliver it to Fedex/whoever, it's no longer their responsibility.
lol o boy
To the Op sounds like a shitty deal for you, hope something works out for you.
1/16/2016 3:34pm Edited Date/Time 1/16/2016 3:34pm
EDIT: Wrong thread
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1/16/2016 3:42pm
1. buy new tires from another outlet.
2. Call CC company and dispute. They have to prove you got the goods. Not gonna happen.
3. Call RM and advise of dispute and see what they can do.

ALL delivery trucks now have GPS and will display the coords of where the package was left. They should be able to provide this info, maybe a neighbors got them.
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1/16/2016 3:47pm
I once had a pretty expensive shipment get sent to a house miles away with no notice from fedex because the Rhodes scholar driving the truck could not find my giant apartment complex on a main road ( South El Camino Real in Encinitas) so he just took it to some house he remembered where the resident had the same last name. Fedex admitted it, and denied the claim, TWICE - because I wasn't the shipper. Lesson: your tires might be hiding in a truck bay or under a conveyor, but don't bet on it. I guess RM tried some damage control here but too little, too late it seems. I don't know what they really said to you on your phone calls, but where there's smoke, there's usually fire. Should've just overnighted you some new tires and let it die.
For what it's worth, I've always found the people at BTO to be pretty agreeable and helpful, and occasionaly go out of their way to help me out (overnighting something late in the day, etc). Maybe just luck, maybe their bosses watch that shit close, who knows. Hope it works out for you in the end.
1/16/2016 3:49pm
The onus IS on Rocky Mountain. As a consumer you have legal protection that leaves you not responsible until the package is in your possession (which is why the cc will reverse without definitive proof). The burden is on the seller until you physically receive the package.

If you were a business, it could be different depending on the shipment terms (most business transactions are fbo, so once it is loaded for freight it is the buyer's), but a consumer always has this legal protection.

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