Severe Armpump

mx836
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Get a 450. Sit back. Seat bounce jumps. You can ride with arm pump all day. I get it after a lap or two now during a race. Maybe 3 or 4 laps practicing. Pretty sure it's because I'm way out of shape though.
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SLOW aerobic training . go jogging slowly , for at least 30 min to 40 min . make sure your heart rate does nt get to high . you need to get AEROBICLY fit . i would bet that you train way to hard alway anaerobic ,eg interval training . this does not help armpump at all . If you cycle you will need to do at least 3 hours to get any benifit ,again going slowly . i had the same problem as you , and this fixed it , i was very fit , just was never aerobicly fit .min i got fit armpump was gone . this is all asuming you are riding properly etc
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I used to be pretty fucked from arm pump after one lap. Can still happen. I find its best to go out, ride even one lap at a medium pace and get some arm pump, then go back to the truck and stretch, drink water, warm my arms up. But the most important thing is relaxing, gripping lighter at the bars and more with your feet/knees, and breathing. By the sound of your post, I'm getting the impression you ride hard as possible from the very start of the day. Gotta step it up gradually.
12/28/2015 3:27pm
zehn wrote:
Ever try rock climbing? I would try some bouldering or roped climbing. It will increase your grip strength and stamina, and will provide other benefits as...
Ever try rock climbing? I would try some bouldering or roped climbing. It will increase your grip strength and stamina, and will provide other benefits as well.
This had the opposite affect for me and everyone I know.

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12/28/2015 3:29pm Edited Date/Time 12/28/2015 3:30pm
zehn wrote:
Ever try rock climbing? I would try some bouldering or roped climbing. It will increase your grip strength and stamina, and will provide other benefits as...
Ever try rock climbing? I would try some bouldering or roped climbing. It will increase your grip strength and stamina, and will provide other benefits as well.
This had the opposite affect for me and everyone I know.
Weird, I know more than a few MXers who have benefited from rock climbing. If you actually take the time to develop proper climbing technique and fitness instead of just attacking the wall, I couldn't see how it could be detrimental in the least bit.

To each their own
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12/28/2015 4:37pm
Ashleymx wrote:
I tried with none or very minimal effect the following: Being in very good overall physical shape off and on over the years. (had no effect)...
I tried with none or very minimal effect the following:

Being in very good overall physical shape off and on over the years. (had no effect)

Eating bananas

Hydration leading up to and on race day

I took Aspirin for a short time but got worried about internal bleeding if I had a big get off (didn't help anyway)

Stretching

Massaging

Heat rub

I drank something high in Magnesium for a while (forget what it was)

Slow laps to warm up. (still got arm pump by the end of the lap anyway)

Gripper step seats

Literally not holding on as in the whole track I'm constantly thinking about a loose grip.

PHDS handlebar damping system

3M stick on grip on the side of the bike

Skinny grips, fat grips. (made no difference) I settled on pillow top pro taper grips because of the surface area in contact with the glove purely to help me hold on when my hands were literally slipping off.

A short pull throttle, (so I could still get full throttle with arm pump lol)

That gyro ball thing among many other arm strengthening exercises

I once had a smooth sand track I'd do 35 minute motos on. I'd get really bad arm pump after 5 minutes and keep hammering through as there were no bumps, the bike didn't hook up in the sand and the front brake wasn't needed. (It didn't change anything, I did that based on everyone saying I need to ride through it more)

Surgery to relieve the compartment syndrome in 1999. It wasn't extensive enough but I did notice my left was better than my right due to the surgeon cutting each arm slightly differently, (It made the biggest difference of all but not enough)

Adjusting my riding style by sitting more and leaning over the front more as well as the obvious gripping with my legs. (always felt I had a good smooth style anyway)

I went from riding nearly every day for a few years to riding once a week or once a year and arm pump was the same no matter what.
(Best it ever was was after a break from riding)

I probably forgot a few things as this was over 20 odd years of trying. Sorry no proven solution here. Maybe do all of the above and it will help though. I'm probably just venting out of frustration lol. It bugs me a bit when others say they have arm pump when they are probably just tired lol. I'm not sure everyone knows what arm pump is.






You mentioned breaking both your arms. Any other injuries? AC separations, Dislocations, Hip, Knee Ankle injuries? Your doctor mentioned not doing the correct exercises and I think he is on to something.
Everyone who has commented has tried to help your symptoms but not address your problem.

I am gonna guess that you have some serious shoulder instability going on that is causing you to overuse your forearms. Pumping up as significant as you are on the first lap usually indicates improper warm up, but reading all of the stuff you have tried up to this point again leads me to believe that you have some serious instability and shoulder weakness.

I would suggest you get a proper evaluation by an Athletic Trainer or Physical Therapist to determine if this is the case. If so, depending on the severity your looking at 2-3 months of strength training to see some improvement.

That's my 2 cents.
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12/28/2015 5:02pm
Lots of good advice. Try the opposite of what you're doing now. I had to mellow myself out.. no pancakes for breakfast, no coffee, no gatorade. No miracles, although Midol did seem to help..lol Stay relaxed, before you ride, go out for a slow lap, or two r 10... get comfortable. and make sure you are breathing. You should be so comfortable, you are barely hanging on with your hands.. When i was younger, I would have trouble at big races. decided to go for a run down to the starting line with my boots on.. Problem solved for me.. excess energy/tension
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Anyone tried the 4 Arm Strong device that Aldon Baker endorsed?

Not sure if that works or is an option.
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Post a pic of the palm of your hands.

That will tell all everything we need to know to diagnose your problem.
Not joking.
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What's your cardio like? I don't lift weights at all and if I do muscle strength training I do body weight. If I look at weights I get arm pump. What kind of handlebars and suspension setup are you using? Like someone mentioned above use more legs and relax your arms/hands. Make sure you are breathing too.
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here s one that helped me , Stretching you hamstrings , sounds weird . but if ur hamstrings are tight .,when you put ur leg out to turn .your body leans back .then just as you get on the gas , the only way is to hold on tight .
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brimx153 wrote:
here s one that helped me , Stretching you hamstrings , sounds weird . but if ur hamstrings are tight .,when you put ur leg out...
here s one that helped me , Stretching you hamstrings , sounds weird . but if ur hamstrings are tight .,when you put ur leg out to turn .your body leans back .then just as you get on the gas , the only way is to hold on tight .
I suffer from chronic hammy tightness. Keeps me awake at night. I usually always stretch my hammies, but I'll have to take note ad to whether or not it helps my arm pump at all.
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JW381 wrote:
I suffer from chronic hammy tightness. Keeps me awake at night. I usually always stretch my hammies, but I'll have to take note ad to whether...
I suffer from chronic hammy tightness. Keeps me awake at night. I usually always stretch my hammies, but I'll have to take note ad to whether or not it helps my arm pump at all.
Get a trigger point foam roller.

Life saver. I cycle and suffer from tight hamstrings.

That thing saves me every day.
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brimx153 wrote:
here s one that helped me , Stretching you hamstrings , sounds weird . but if ur hamstrings are tight .,when you put ur leg out...
here s one that helped me , Stretching you hamstrings , sounds weird . but if ur hamstrings are tight .,when you put ur leg out to turn .your body leans back .then just as you get on the gas , the only way is to hold on tight .
JW381 wrote:
I suffer from chronic hammy tightness. Keeps me awake at night. I usually always stretch my hammies, but I'll have to take note ad to whether...
I suffer from chronic hammy tightness. Keeps me awake at night. I usually always stretch my hammies, but I'll have to take note ad to whether or not it helps my arm pump at all.
what it does is helps your position on the bike .you can stay leaned forward with your head over the bars at all time s.i sit on the floor legs stright out and lean forward try to touch my toes ,but keep ur back stright .its mad what a difference being able to keep ur head forward a few more inches makes .your pushing into the power rather than letting the bike pull you
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Ashleymx wrote:
I tried with none or very minimal effect the following: Being in very good overall physical shape off and on over the years. (had no effect)...
I tried with none or very minimal effect the following:

Being in very good overall physical shape off and on over the years. (had no effect)

Eating bananas

Hydration leading up to and on race day

I took Aspirin for a short time but got worried about internal bleeding if I had a big get off (didn't help anyway)

Stretching

Massaging

Heat rub

I drank something high in Magnesium for a while (forget what it was)

Slow laps to warm up. (still got arm pump by the end of the lap anyway)

Gripper step seats

Literally not holding on as in the whole track I'm constantly thinking about a loose grip.

PHDS handlebar damping system

3M stick on grip on the side of the bike

Skinny grips, fat grips. (made no difference) I settled on pillow top pro taper grips because of the surface area in contact with the glove purely to help me hold on when my hands were literally slipping off.

A short pull throttle, (so I could still get full throttle with arm pump lol)

That gyro ball thing among many other arm strengthening exercises

I once had a smooth sand track I'd do 35 minute motos on. I'd get really bad arm pump after 5 minutes and keep hammering through as there were no bumps, the bike didn't hook up in the sand and the front brake wasn't needed. (It didn't change anything, I did that based on everyone saying I need to ride through it more)

Surgery to relieve the compartment syndrome in 1999. It wasn't extensive enough but I did notice my left was better than my right due to the surgeon cutting each arm slightly differently, (It made the biggest difference of all but not enough)

Adjusting my riding style by sitting more and leaning over the front more as well as the obvious gripping with my legs. (always felt I had a good smooth style anyway)

I went from riding nearly every day for a few years to riding once a week or once a year and arm pump was the same no matter what.
(Best it ever was was after a break from riding)

I probably forgot a few things as this was over 20 odd years of trying. Sorry no proven solution here. Maybe do all of the above and it will help though. I'm probably just venting out of frustration lol. It bugs me a bit when others say they have arm pump when they are probably just tired lol. I'm not sure everyone knows what arm pump is.






on that list there alot that makes it worse , imo
eg
Stretching ,wont make it worse ,but what need s to be stretched is the fasica not the muscle ,it helps get rid ,once your arm is locked up,but its a bit late them .

Massaging ,it can work ,if the person knows what there doing ,just doing it yourself is pointless and can make it worse imo

Heat rub expand s the muscle

That gyro ball thing among many other arm strengthening exercises ,this about the worse thing you could do imo, the reason it was the best after you stopped riding so much ,is ur muscles in your arm got smaller. and had more space to fill the fasica.

i have been like you, and have the op as while with the same results as yourself . the big thing s that i found got rid of it was getting more aerobicly fit . i was very anaerobicly fit .theres a big difference . loads of long slow cardio as a base is huge imo .then being flexible enough to maintain proper riding position ,head always over the bars or futher ahead . and last i think overgriping and hand position is huge .never letting your wrist get bent ,its just a stright line all the way up your arm from ur hand when at full acceleration
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Hi Guys

Thanks for all the replies , I really appreciate each on of you Smile
I will go to a specialist that actually knows something about Chronic exertional compartment syndrome.
I don't have the time to continue struggling each time I ride, I'm very busy at work and don't have extra time to work on other exercises.

I will let you guys know if there is any news Smile
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Ashleymx wrote:
I tried with none or very minimal effect the following: Being in very good overall physical shape off and on over the years. (had no effect)...
I tried with none or very minimal effect the following:

Being in very good overall physical shape off and on over the years. (had no effect)

Eating bananas

Hydration leading up to and on race day

I took Aspirin for a short time but got worried about internal bleeding if I had a big get off (didn't help anyway)

Stretching

Massaging

Heat rub

I drank something high in Magnesium for a while (forget what it was)

Slow laps to warm up. (still got arm pump by the end of the lap anyway)

Gripper step seats

Literally not holding on as in the whole track I'm constantly thinking about a loose grip.

PHDS handlebar damping system

3M stick on grip on the side of the bike

Skinny grips, fat grips. (made no difference) I settled on pillow top pro taper grips because of the surface area in contact with the glove purely to help me hold on when my hands were literally slipping off.

A short pull throttle, (so I could still get full throttle with arm pump lol)

That gyro ball thing among many other arm strengthening exercises

I once had a smooth sand track I'd do 35 minute motos on. I'd get really bad arm pump after 5 minutes and keep hammering through as there were no bumps, the bike didn't hook up in the sand and the front brake wasn't needed. (It didn't change anything, I did that based on everyone saying I need to ride through it more)

Surgery to relieve the compartment syndrome in 1999. It wasn't extensive enough but I did notice my left was better than my right due to the surgeon cutting each arm slightly differently, (It made the biggest difference of all but not enough)

Adjusting my riding style by sitting more and leaning over the front more as well as the obvious gripping with my legs. (always felt I had a good smooth style anyway)

I went from riding nearly every day for a few years to riding once a week or once a year and arm pump was the same no matter what.
(Best it ever was was after a break from riding)

I probably forgot a few things as this was over 20 odd years of trying. Sorry no proven solution here. Maybe do all of the above and it will help though. I'm probably just venting out of frustration lol. It bugs me a bit when others say they have arm pump when they are probably just tired lol. I'm not sure everyone knows what arm pump is.






Thanks for your reply/

I literally tried all the things you mentioned, but to no avail, I still got arm pump when I started doing a fast lap.
I have a contact with one of the team managers of Red Bull KTM here in South Africa who happens to be a certified Fitness coach as well. I'll try and contact him and ask for a few pointers.

Thanks once again Smile
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Got a video we can see of you riding ? Man 1 lap would make me mad too. Are you white knuckling the handlebars ? Does...
Got a video we can see of you riding ? Man 1 lap would make me mad too. Are you white knuckling the handlebars ? Does it only happen when you race?
Only when Im in a scary situation (crashing or something) then I would hold on for dear life. But I was taught to grip and steer wit my legs. My right arm gets pumped up much worse than my left arm, due to the constant turning of the throttle. Dont have a full lap video , but heres something .

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Feels good to be back riding

Posted by Eon Deysel on Saturday, December 12, 2015
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IWreckALot wrote:
Have you changed bikes lately? When I switched from a 450 to a 250 2t, I noticed the vibration in the bars put my hands to...
Have you changed bikes lately? When I switched from a 450 to a 250 2t, I noticed the vibration in the bars put my hands to sleep real bad. Not sitting while riding has seemed to help a lot of arm pump. When riding MX, the track usually dictates where I can stand and sit. When I race cross country, I can stand for longer periods of time.

I'm a desk jockey also. My arms have progressively felt more and more like I'm getting carpal tunnel syndrome. I'm not ready to get the procedure yet though but I can imagine that sitting and typing all day will make your carpals start to creak. Arm pump comes and goes for me. The cooler the weather, the better my arms do.
I recently went from a 250F to 250 2stroke, and I did notice that I would pump up faster, Ill try and see if I can stand for a whole lap and only sit where there's no braking bumps etc.

Thanks !
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Ashleymx wrote:
I tried with none or very minimal effect the following: Being in very good overall physical shape off and on over the years. (had no effect)...
I tried with none or very minimal effect the following:

Being in very good overall physical shape off and on over the years. (had no effect)

Eating bananas

Hydration leading up to and on race day

I took Aspirin for a short time but got worried about internal bleeding if I had a big get off (didn't help anyway)

Stretching

Massaging

Heat rub

I drank something high in Magnesium for a while (forget what it was)

Slow laps to warm up. (still got arm pump by the end of the lap anyway)

Gripper step seats

Literally not holding on as in the whole track I'm constantly thinking about a loose grip.

PHDS handlebar damping system

3M stick on grip on the side of the bike

Skinny grips, fat grips. (made no difference) I settled on pillow top pro taper grips because of the surface area in contact with the glove purely to help me hold on when my hands were literally slipping off.

A short pull throttle, (so I could still get full throttle with arm pump lol)

That gyro ball thing among many other arm strengthening exercises

I once had a smooth sand track I'd do 35 minute motos on. I'd get really bad arm pump after 5 minutes and keep hammering through as there were no bumps, the bike didn't hook up in the sand and the front brake wasn't needed. (It didn't change anything, I did that based on everyone saying I need to ride through it more)

Surgery to relieve the compartment syndrome in 1999. It wasn't extensive enough but I did notice my left was better than my right due to the surgeon cutting each arm slightly differently, (It made the biggest difference of all but not enough)

Adjusting my riding style by sitting more and leaning over the front more as well as the obvious gripping with my legs. (always felt I had a good smooth style anyway)

I went from riding nearly every day for a few years to riding once a week or once a year and arm pump was the same no matter what.
(Best it ever was was after a break from riding)

I probably forgot a few things as this was over 20 odd years of trying. Sorry no proven solution here. Maybe do all of the above and it will help though. I'm probably just venting out of frustration lol. It bugs me a bit when others say they have arm pump when they are probably just tired lol. I'm not sure everyone knows what arm pump is.






EddieC wrote:
You mentioned breaking both your arms. Any other injuries? AC separations, Dislocations, Hip, Knee Ankle injuries? Your doctor mentioned not doing the correct exercises and I...
You mentioned breaking both your arms. Any other injuries? AC separations, Dislocations, Hip, Knee Ankle injuries? Your doctor mentioned not doing the correct exercises and I think he is on to something.
Everyone who has commented has tried to help your symptoms but not address your problem.

I am gonna guess that you have some serious shoulder instability going on that is causing you to overuse your forearms. Pumping up as significant as you are on the first lap usually indicates improper warm up, but reading all of the stuff you have tried up to this point again leads me to believe that you have some serious instability and shoulder weakness.

I would suggest you get a proper evaluation by an Athletic Trainer or Physical Therapist to determine if this is the case. If so, depending on the severity your looking at 2-3 months of strength training to see some improvement.

That's my 2 cents.
I had a surgery on my knee when I was about 10 years old. But then I didn't get armpump when I rode on my 85.

I know that my right shoulder is a lot weaker than my left, and coincidentally my right arm is the one that pumps up the most.

I would do high reps low weight , and then the next week I would be doing low reps and high weight, but when I'm doing shoulders my left one can do the 20 reps but after a few sets my right shoulder can only do about 14-16, before it 'fails' and I cant push the weight up.

I think you maybe onto something here Shocked

I'll try and exercise my shoulders more and concentrate on the right hand one .
I'll let you know if there's any improvement.

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it !Smile
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I'm 49 and never used to have arm pump issues when I was younger, got married at 30 and took over ten years off before getting back on the bike. I can cruise around for hours with no problems, but if I push for one or two hot laps like my mind remembers I did when I was younger, then I've got two cement blocks for forearms. I let them come down and can go out and cruise at a faster but not attack pace again for another hour. I think I'm trying to run a pace that is on the edge which has me tense and I grip too tight, hence backing down to my comfort zone relaxes me again. I think I will toy around with bar positions and such as mentioned above and see what that does though. Well, that and practice improving my base skills again to where I'm comfortable at pace.
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12/29/2015 6:25am
jl0822 wrote:
Is your first lap a fast lap? Try warming up.... roll the track for a few laps, check the track out, look for lines, it will...
Is your first lap a fast lap?
Try warming up.... roll the track for a few laps, check the track out, look for lines, it will help with the warm up process
Instead of doing 1-2 fast laps, do 5-6 at half or 3/4 of your ability, its a building process
as mentioned, experiment with grips, are levers at comfortable reach? throttle maintenance?
gym does help but there is no substitute for seat time, again, its a building process
Exactly. You have to find a way to stay on the track, even if it means slowing to a crawl for safely reasons, but you have to ride way into the burn stage. You can't just pull off when it happens. You are building fitness in your forearms. Turn 1 lap into 2, into 3....etc.

Put a stop watch on your cross bar and make a goal of 7 minutes. Seriously. 7 minutes seems like a week when you pump up in one lap. I think a good long term goal for an amateur is 20 minutes.

I'm pretty knowledgeable about this because I fought it for years when I started riding big bikes. Tried aspirin, water, diet, running.....blah blah.....It's a fitness problem with the muscles that are giving you problems.
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12/29/2015 8:19am
"3 days per week and do exercises that will help me with riding."

Then you go to the track and can't finish 2 laps ?

whatever your doing isn't working.

what are you doing for a cardio training base off the bike ?
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12/29/2015 8:56am
Ashleymx wrote:
I tried with none or very minimal effect the following: Being in very good overall physical shape off and on over the years. (had no effect)...
I tried with none or very minimal effect the following:

Being in very good overall physical shape off and on over the years. (had no effect)

Eating bananas

Hydration leading up to and on race day

I took Aspirin for a short time but got worried about internal bleeding if I had a big get off (didn't help anyway)

Stretching

Massaging

Heat rub

I drank something high in Magnesium for a while (forget what it was)

Slow laps to warm up. (still got arm pump by the end of the lap anyway)

Gripper step seats

Literally not holding on as in the whole track I'm constantly thinking about a loose grip.

PHDS handlebar damping system

3M stick on grip on the side of the bike

Skinny grips, fat grips. (made no difference) I settled on pillow top pro taper grips because of the surface area in contact with the glove purely to help me hold on when my hands were literally slipping off.

A short pull throttle, (so I could still get full throttle with arm pump lol)

That gyro ball thing among many other arm strengthening exercises

I once had a smooth sand track I'd do 35 minute motos on. I'd get really bad arm pump after 5 minutes and keep hammering through as there were no bumps, the bike didn't hook up in the sand and the front brake wasn't needed. (It didn't change anything, I did that based on everyone saying I need to ride through it more)

Surgery to relieve the compartment syndrome in 1999. It wasn't extensive enough but I did notice my left was better than my right due to the surgeon cutting each arm slightly differently, (It made the biggest difference of all but not enough)

Adjusting my riding style by sitting more and leaning over the front more as well as the obvious gripping with my legs. (always felt I had a good smooth style anyway)

I went from riding nearly every day for a few years to riding once a week or once a year and arm pump was the same no matter what.
(Best it ever was was after a break from riding)

I probably forgot a few things as this was over 20 odd years of trying. Sorry no proven solution here. Maybe do all of the above and it will help though. I'm probably just venting out of frustration lol. It bugs me a bit when others say they have arm pump when they are probably just tired lol. I'm not sure everyone knows what arm pump is.






EddieC wrote:
You mentioned breaking both your arms. Any other injuries? AC separations, Dislocations, Hip, Knee Ankle injuries? Your doctor mentioned not doing the correct exercises and I...
You mentioned breaking both your arms. Any other injuries? AC separations, Dislocations, Hip, Knee Ankle injuries? Your doctor mentioned not doing the correct exercises and I think he is on to something.
Everyone who has commented has tried to help your symptoms but not address your problem.

I am gonna guess that you have some serious shoulder instability going on that is causing you to overuse your forearms. Pumping up as significant as you are on the first lap usually indicates improper warm up, but reading all of the stuff you have tried up to this point again leads me to believe that you have some serious instability and shoulder weakness.

I would suggest you get a proper evaluation by an Athletic Trainer or Physical Therapist to determine if this is the case. If so, depending on the severity your looking at 2-3 months of strength training to see some improvement.

That's my 2 cents.
You might have misquoted my post EddieC? I've never broken my arms and I've been literally free from injury. I actually got my arm pump surgery when I had a broken leg though because I had nothing else to do lol. Other than some internal bleeding and a concussion I've been injury free, never even small nagging injury's.

I'm 41 now and have no physical issues at all day to day. I MTB a fair bit nowadays. I'm not as fit as I used to be but through out that 20 year period of fighting arm pump I went through many different training programs (I haven't ridden a dirt bike for 5 years now BTW). Cardio wise I was as fit as Australia top pros for some of those years because I trained with them every day full time. I really do believe it has nothing to do with fitness or seat time on the bike, I proved that with myself over and over. Honestly I believe its a physiological problem you can literally be born with. People can have it to different degrees of coarse but basically the fascia tissue that surrounds the muscles does not stretch no matter what you do and if there isn't enough room in there for blood flow that's basically it. I actually went through a lot with physical therapists to trying solve it with running and my lower legs. At the end surgery was the answer as there was nothing else wrong I could fix. I didn't go that route though and I still run occasionally. The thing with running is you can keep going in pain to a certain extent unlike riding when it's basically too dangerous.
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12/29/2015 9:14am
Roscoe33 wrote:
"3 days per week and do exercises that will help me with riding." Then you go to the track and can't finish 2 laps ? whatever...
"3 days per week and do exercises that will help me with riding."

Then you go to the track and can't finish 2 laps ?

whatever your doing isn't working.

what are you doing for a cardio training base off the bike ?
I always warm up at the gym by running 5km on the treadmill and after all the other exercises I would finish it off by Cycling for 10 min. And on Mondays I would row on the Concept 2 rower.

I know I should be cycling longer and running further but I simply don't have the time . My kind of work expects me to be available 24/7, 365 days of the year , if I could put more time in , believe me I would, but unfortunately I can't.
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12/29/2015 9:19am
Arm pump is caused by using your forearms too much (so the muscles require more oxygen, and that oxygen is carried there in the blood so they require more blood), while not having the cardio to get the blood back out again. (I can't remember the medical term for that...but I read about it on racer x a while ago and it makes perfect sense).

So, the solution is to stop using your forearms to much while riding (squeezing too tight, or riding tight from the shoulders to the hands) so your arms require less oxygen (less blood), get in better cardiovascular shape (so your body can get the extra blood out of your arms), and breath better (so that there is more oxygen in your blood, so less blood will be required in your forearms sot hey won't pump up as bad).

Every person that I know of that struggles with arm pump, especially those that say they can just "ride" forever with no issue, but as soon as they start to "push it", their arms pump up immediately...what are they doing differently when pushing it over just riding? subconsciously gripping the bars to tight, holding their breath, technique goes out the window, etc. and they don't even realize it. So most guys will say they breath the entire time...but when they really try and focus on breathing they realize just how often they hold their breath while riding hard...every corner, every jump, when battling, etc. They end up holding their breath for a huge percentage of the track, this elevates their heart rate higher than it should be (because there body is trying to get enough oxygen to the muscles so they can continue to function at the level they are being asked to perform) and when they are also squeezing the bars to tight (which means it requires more oxygen-more blood).

Breathing right (long deep breaths the ENTIRE time you are riding), and keeping your grip, elbows and shoulders loose (which is made easier by proper technique, and being in shape, and riding more often) will virtually eliminate arm pump.

My forearms tell me immediately when I start gripping the bars to tightly...and its always in a section of the course that is more technical when I have to focus on surviving the course and I take my focus off of proper technique (its still not "automatic" and "habit" for me to ride a motorcycle properly, so when I stop focusing on it, I go back to old habits and hold my breath, grip the bars to tight, drop my elbows, hunch my back, and my entire body tightens up etc....the good news is that its getting easier and easier).

That's my experience after being absolutely frustrated with arm pump for years, and how I got it under control.
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12/29/2015 9:36am
Roscoe33 wrote:
"3 days per week and do exercises that will help me with riding." Then you go to the track and can't finish 2 laps ? whatever...
"3 days per week and do exercises that will help me with riding."

Then you go to the track and can't finish 2 laps ?

whatever your doing isn't working.

what are you doing for a cardio training base off the bike ?
ktm_34 wrote:
I always warm up at the gym by running 5km on the treadmill and after all the other exercises I would finish it off by Cycling...
I always warm up at the gym by running 5km on the treadmill and after all the other exercises I would finish it off by Cycling for 10 min. And on Mondays I would row on the Concept 2 rower.

I know I should be cycling longer and running further but I simply don't have the time . My kind of work expects me to be available 24/7, 365 days of the year , if I could put more time in , believe me I would, but unfortunately I can't.
what do you mean you don't have time ?
stop going to the gym, save the travel time and thats your training base

you need to change your attitude, you can train indoors while your on call.

you can't overlook a fundamental because you have an excuse.

you need seat time.



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12/29/2015 1:41pm
Roscoe33 wrote:
"3 days per week and do exercises that will help me with riding." Then you go to the track and can't finish 2 laps ? whatever...
"3 days per week and do exercises that will help me with riding."

Then you go to the track and can't finish 2 laps ?

whatever your doing isn't working.

what are you doing for a cardio training base off the bike ?
ktm_34 wrote:
I always warm up at the gym by running 5km on the treadmill and after all the other exercises I would finish it off by Cycling...
I always warm up at the gym by running 5km on the treadmill and after all the other exercises I would finish it off by Cycling for 10 min. And on Mondays I would row on the Concept 2 rower.

I know I should be cycling longer and running further but I simply don't have the time . My kind of work expects me to be available 24/7, 365 days of the year , if I could put more time in , believe me I would, but unfortunately I can't.
Roscoe33 wrote:
what do you mean you don't have time ? stop going to the gym, save the travel time and thats your training base you need to...
what do you mean you don't have time ?
stop going to the gym, save the travel time and thats your training base

you need to change your attitude, you can train indoors while your on call.

you can't overlook a fundamental because you have an excuse.

you need seat time.



you might as well not cycle ,if your only going to do it for 10 mins , all your doing is wasting your time . doing nothing is just as effective as 10 mins on a bike. run the extra 10 mins instead .
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12/29/2015 4:44pm Edited Date/Time 12/29/2015 4:45pm
I'm no expert but I never had arm pump if I rode moto during my cross country and track & field seasons in college. If you have a strong aerobic base and throw in a mixture of anaerobic exercises, arm pump can be minimized or even eliminated. In my case, it was a lot running (up to 10-14 miles a day) and light weight workouts.
12/29/2015 9:18pm
I feel like you don't grip the bike at all with your legs and you're not using your core. Not much video but it does look like all the work is going on in your arms. Anyone else see that or am I way off?

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