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From the home page Day In The Dirt link. Yes, I found the home page after all these years...
"KTM and Yamaha get it. But we really need a 125 (that can be boosted to 144 or 150) from all the manufacturers. It's currently the missing link of the motocross world."
"KTM and Yamaha get it. But we really need a 125 (that can be boosted to 144 or 150) from all the manufacturers. It's currently the missing link of the motocross world."
There are literally 3 brand new 2 strokes on the market. The KTM 125, Husky 125 and KTM 150. How many of the 2 stroke lovers have bought any of these 3 bikes? Or a Yamaha(an old bike, i'm not saying that the bike is bad. Only old)?
The 2016 KTM/Huskys are lighter and faster than ever. Still i don't see any 20+ pages about them and big discussions about those bikes. I took a look at the member bike checks, there is 14 2015/2016 KTM 2 strokes and 8 2015/2016 Yamaha 2 strokes.
2 strokes are a part of our sport, but the demand of brand new 2 strokes are clearly not high enough.
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And i knew i would get a comment like this.
I'm a fan of 2 strokes, hell go and take a look at my bike checks. I have an RM 250 2007. But that proves my point. it's an 2007. The demand of brand new 2 strokes(big bikes) is not high enough.
Love the new YZ but, I've had too many YZ's and like a different color..
Two-strokes definitely have their place. But I was also talking to one current fast pro this weekend (think top ten), who said the 250 he was on was slow, and that 250 two-strokes would never be competitive against 450s.
I would say there is about 10X more 2 strokes at the tracks I visit compared to 5yrs ago. The thing is , they are mostly Yamaha's and KTM's , because the other 3 big manif's don't produce one. We would see plenty more out there if we had a newer 2 stroke made from these three , stuck inside a new gen chassis.
And that isn't just the tone here on vital , that is what's happening at most tracks now days. At least up here it is.
KTM/Husky & Yamaha sell a crap load of 250's and 300's. 125's are probably 25% of total 250 sales? IF Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki thought they could cash in on this market and not end up with leftovers in the whse they would.
Going by that reasoning KIDS that are moving up jump from 85 to 250 2t!!! Now that is just freakin insane yes/no? Before anybody asks yes I did do that with son many years ago but he was given the choice (yes I do regret it!! And no he doesn't ride anymore.
The 125 2t is the stepping stone both physically & mentally to allow KIDS to develop personally and moto skill wise (IMO , flame on)
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Have you forgotten about the EMX125 class? The EMX300 class?
There is a place for 2 strokes and there will always be a place for them. But is there a place for brand new 2 strokes from 6 manufacturers? No i don't think so.
This is what rosebud441 wrote earlier in the thread: "I would buy a brand spanking new KX-125 or RM-125, if they looked anything like the photoshop job going around..
Love the new YZ but, I've had too many YZ's and like a different color.."
That proves my point. There are 2 brand new 125s that are freaking light and fast but he doesn't even mention them.
If the manufactures placed the same emphasis and marketing tactics on 125s as they do 250Fs, they would sell similarly, if not better. The majority of the offroad cycle market is for "play".
You absolutely cannot sit here and talk about the sales of something that doesn't really exist, which is a fair market for two-strokes.
If Kawasaki put a 10 year development freeze on the KX250F right now, from 2016-2025 model, how many 2025 models would they sell? How ridiculous would it sound when someone said in 2025 "meh... the KX250F just doesnt sell, so theres no demand for it"
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