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gsxrcr28 10/28/2015 5:32pm
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rob162 wrote:
I still stand by the hard fact of the videos. Rossi ran him wide and gave him his choice gas or brake it's clear as day...
I still stand by the hard fact of the videos. Rossi ran him wide and gave him his choice gas or brake it's clear as day MM chose to dip a shoulder and gas it. MM made contact not rossi no mater if he stared at him waved at him it does not matter the rider with the inside can do what ever he wants. Had rossi slid into him and touched him. It's his fault. As long as rossi gives him pavement to ride he's good.
Yep!

I do understand a penalty for Rossi though, mostly because everything is so regulated now days. Dizzy However, I think the penalty should have been to dock him a position or two.

And for the record I'm a huge fan of both guys, they are amazing.
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Haha, pretty much on point that Hitler guy.
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kiwifan 10/28/2015 5:40pm
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Question wrote:
I had nothing against Marquez, especially since he likes dirt bikes too, but messing up with big daddy at the end of a championship battle is...

I had nothing against Marquez, especially since he likes dirt bikes too, but messing up with big daddy at the end of a championship battle is not the smartest way to get fans outside Spain.

I guess I would be manager at hrc I would have a broken hand and a rider with a concussion.

kiwifan wrote:
oh what a load of bullocks, MM races for Honda and his sponsors not to hand a championship to another rider, he still races for 1st...
oh what a load of bullocks, MM races for Honda and his sponsors not to hand a championship to another rider, he still races for 1st place regardless if he is a championship contender or not...if all riders did that then no one would get sponsored!!!! Why would a company sponsor a rider that isn't allowed to win a race, they want their coverage too for goodness sake.

All this talk about a 'unwritten rule' is absolute crap and is made up by people who think a championship should be handed to someone rather than earned

motogrady wrote:
Rossi has stated the midget has something personal going between the 2, blames him for a crash or 2, Midgets season is over , he's out...

Rossi has stated the midget has something personal going between the 2, blames him for a crash or 2,
Midgets season is over , he's out of it, nothing to lose, he helps a fellow countryman bring the gold home to
Spain he's a hero at home along with crybaby, Rossi is probally the only guy to walk away from Hondarepsol for another team...........plenty of probable cause imo
ok so calling MM a midget clearly means you are a Rossi fan, I get it

Has MM helped Lorenzo? Seems to me him crashing hasn't helped at all, so continue on with your conspiracy theory at least Yamaha wins the championship, surely that helps you?
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VET176 10/28/2015 6:05pm
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
One thing we can all agree on: Lorenzo is a cock for running straight to race control to complain about the incident.
motomike137 wrote:
totally ^^^
Rumour has it this tanty didn’t go down to well with Yamaha management and he could be looking for a new ride next year.

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motogrady 10/28/2015 6:18pm
10/28/2015 6:18pm Edited Date/Time 10/28/2015 6:21pm
Come on Kiwi. Really, and I've taken a lot of heat elsewhere for it, I'm a Hayden fan.

MM not putting 46 on the last grid next week, or on the ground as I believe was midgets intent, does not that help
Lorenzo, a fellow Spainard?

I like watching MM ride, wondering when he's gonna throw it away. I just don't like the way he's lied about this whole thing, like we the masses are stupid with no eyes. He never stood the bike up or got off the gas. All the video,
Nobody sees a kick to his front brake. And that's what he said happened.

The real jerk here, IMO, is the Motogp race director who doled out the penalty in the first place.
He works for Dorna, a Spanish company. Unless the Gods smile on Rossi big time, he, the race director won the title for Spain. He could have applied the points to next year, but no, grab the title on a judgement call.

This whole deal reminds me of times when 500s ruled, and they went behind the iron Curtain, crap like this happened all the time.
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kiwifan 10/28/2015 6:26pm
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motogrady wrote:
Come on Kiwi. Really, and I've taken a lot of heat elsewhere for it, I'm a Hayden fan. MM not putting 46 on the last grid...
Come on Kiwi. Really, and I've taken a lot of heat elsewhere for it, I'm a Hayden fan.

MM not putting 46 on the last grid next week, or on the ground as I believe was midgets intent, does not that help
Lorenzo, a fellow Spainard?

I like watching MM ride, wondering when he's gonna throw it away. I just don't like the way he's lied about this whole thing, like we the masses are stupid with no eyes. He never stood the bike up or got off the gas. All the video,
Nobody sees a kick to his front brake. And that's what he said happened.

The real jerk here, IMO, is the Motogp race director who doled out the penalty in the first place.
He works for Dorna, a Spanish company. Unless the Gods smile on Rossi big time, he, the race director won the title for Spain. He could have applied the points to next year, but no, grab the title on a judgement call.

This whole deal reminds me of times when 500s ruled, and they went behind the iron Curtain, crap like this happened all the time.
I still think you are chasing conspiracies :-)
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motogrady 10/28/2015 6:46pm
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Just callin it like I see it guy.
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seth505 10/28/2015 6:59pm
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kiwifan wrote:
ok so calling MM a midget clearly means you are a Rossi fan, I get it Has MM helped Lorenzo? Seems to me him crashing hasn't...
ok so calling MM a midget clearly means you are a Rossi fan, I get it

Has MM helped Lorenzo? Seems to me him crashing hasn't helped at all, so continue on with your conspiracy theory at least Yamaha wins the championship, surely that helps you?
It's shortsighted to think anyone pissed at Marquez/Lorenzo/race director are Rossi fans. This ruling effectively shit on an entire season of awesome racing. Whether Rossi, Pedrosa, Marquez or Lorenzo won races, this year was awesome. I say was because now the final race is all fucked up and basically set up to give someone a championship.

Independent of who I'm rooting for most, I'm not renewing my motogp.com subscription and a bunch of my friends aren't either because of this horseshit. Running someone wide doesn't result in the other rider crashing 100% of the time, it's stupid.
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Mit12 10/28/2015 7:09pm
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Lorenzo and Marquez were faster than Rossi all year but could not manage the title chase like Rossi did. A world championship is hard to come by and to have it decided this way just sucks for the fans.
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scott_nz 10/28/2015 7:21pm
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Andy_Greenney wrote:
One thing we can all agree on: Lorenzo is a cock for running straight to race control to complain about the incident.
motomike137 wrote:
totally ^^^
VET176 wrote:
Rumour has it this tanty didn’t go down to well with Yamaha management and he could be looking for a new ride next year.
he has a deal already signed for next year, and with a good chance he will be champ this year then i dont really see him leaving,

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/05/01/jarvis-lorenzo-will-stay-with-…
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project racer 10/28/2015 7:25pm
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DORNA has Webb's balls in a vice. He felt the immense squeeze and pressure, and has made a call that has basically made this years championship irrelevant.

Take a look at US road racing, NASCAR, etc. Don't ever think that Moto GP may not look the same as these series do now, after enjoying bountiful harvests of fans , dollars for many years.

If Moto GP events started to look like a current day Daytona 200, they would shit.

Does not take a whole lot to lose the more fickle fan base of today.
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VET176 10/28/2015 8:08pm
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motomike137 wrote:
totally ^^^
VET176 wrote:
Rumour has it this tanty didn’t go down to well with Yamaha management and he could be looking for a new ride next year.
scott_nz wrote:
he has a deal already signed for next year, and with a good chance he will be champ this year then i dont really see him...
he has a deal already signed for next year, and with a good chance he will be champ this year then i dont really see him leaving,

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/05/01/jarvis-lorenzo-will-stay-with-…
"Jorge Lorenzo's disrespectful discourse and attitude may cost him his job at Yamaha, rumor has it. Lin Jarvis would rather did not have JL99 involved in the fray.

Lorenzo's disrespectful words targeting Rossi are said to be yet another reason for the irritation of the Yamaha officials. Though unconfirmed, it appears that Yamaha is even considering no longer employing Jorge Lorenzo in 2016."

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/yamaha-rumored-to-part-ways-with-lorenzo-because-of-his-attitude-in-the-rossi-case-101409.html
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kiwifan 10/28/2015 8:36pm
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VET176 wrote:
Rumour has it this tanty didn’t go down to well with Yamaha management and he could be looking for a new ride next year.
scott_nz wrote:
he has a deal already signed for next year, and with a good chance he will be champ this year then i dont really see him...
he has a deal already signed for next year, and with a good chance he will be champ this year then i dont really see him leaving,

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/05/01/jarvis-lorenzo-will-stay-with-…
VET176 wrote:
"Jorge Lorenzo's disrespectful discourse and attitude may cost him his job at Yamaha, rumor has it. Lin Jarvis would rather did not have JL99 involved in...
"Jorge Lorenzo's disrespectful discourse and attitude may cost him his job at Yamaha, rumor has it. Lin Jarvis would rather did not have JL99 involved in the fray.

Lorenzo's disrespectful words targeting Rossi are said to be yet another reason for the irritation of the Yamaha officials. Though unconfirmed, it appears that Yamaha is even considering no longer employing Jorge Lorenzo in 2016."

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/yamaha-rumored-to-part-ways-with-lorenzo-because-of-his-attitude-in-the-rossi-case-101409.html
Gee you wonder in the Yamaha camp who is the baddie here !!!! Jeepers.
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kongols 10/28/2015 9:39pm
10/28/2015 9:39pm Edited Date/Time 10/28/2015 9:50pm
Johnny Depp wrote:
More gas for the fire:

http://www.cycleworld.com/2015/10/27/what-are-the-other-motogp-riders-s…
scott_nz wrote:
interesting that most the current GP riders agree with the sanction, i would have thought that maybe they would have backed Rossi more,
CeeTee wrote:
Its because they arent VR fan boys and see it for what it truly is, VR lost it and took matters into his own hands when...
Its because they arent VR fan boys and see it for what it truly is, VR lost it and took matters into his own hands when he should have just kept racing.
No, It`s because most, if not all of those comments are made on November 25th, right after the race, without closely looking at the video evidence. A lot has changed. We`ll see. I was watching the race on BT Sports and commentators said, perhaps a hundred times, that Rossi kicked Marquez front brake lever. Everyone in a studio was absolutely sure that what they saw was true. Well, it wasn`t.
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jemcee 10/28/2015 9:51pm
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kiwifan wrote:
oh what a load of bullocks, MM races for Honda and his sponsors not to hand a championship to another rider, he still races for 1st...
oh what a load of bullocks, MM races for Honda and his sponsors not to hand a championship to another rider, he still races for 1st place regardless if he is a championship contender or not...if all riders did that then no one would get sponsored!!!! Why would a company sponsor a rider that isn't allowed to win a race, they want their coverage too for goodness sake.

All this talk about a 'unwritten rule' is absolute crap and is made up by people who think a championship should be handed to someone rather than earned

Marquez was not racing for Honda's best result at Sepang he was playing with Rossi to frustrate him (which worked) there was a record number of passes in one lap something like 9 that can only happen if one guy is way faster and playing, unless they are both playing which we know Rossi wasn't.. he wanted to get to Lorenzo which he knew was a tall order for him, especially while battling with someone, considering almost everyone knows that sort of battling slows both riders down.. Rossi was stuck he couldn't get away from Marquez cause he was obviously faster and Marquez wasn't leaving him alone and if you can't see that well, I don't know what to say..

The unwritten rule isn't 'not race against' it's 'not mess with' Rossi was fine with racing against remember what he said when people were criticising Ianonne for 'racing' him at Phillip Island?
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CeeTee 10/28/2015 10:38pm
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scott_nz wrote:
interesting that most the current GP riders agree with the sanction, i would have thought that maybe they would have backed Rossi more,
CeeTee wrote:
Its because they arent VR fan boys and see it for what it truly is, VR lost it and took matters into his own hands when...
Its because they arent VR fan boys and see it for what it truly is, VR lost it and took matters into his own hands when he should have just kept racing.
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No, It`s because most, if not all of those comments are made on November 25th, right after the race, without closely looking at the video evidence...
No, It`s because most, if not all of those comments are made on November 25th, right after the race, without closely looking at the video evidence. A lot has changed. We`ll see. I was watching the race on BT Sports and commentators said, perhaps a hundred times, that Rossi kicked Marquez front brake lever. Everyone in a studio was absolutely sure that what they saw was true. Well, it wasn`t.
None of them mentioned any kicking/running into, they saw Rossi purposely taking MM wide because he got angry.

You're to narrow minded and only want to talk about MM gassing into VR, VR should have held his composure and kept racing.

Had it been any other rider apart from VR, they would have been DQ'd..

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kongols 10/28/2015 11:01pm
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CeeTee wrote:
None of them mentioned any kicking/running into, they saw Rossi purposely taking MM wide because he got angry. You're to narrow minded and only want to...
None of them mentioned any kicking/running into, they saw Rossi purposely taking MM wide because he got angry.

You're to narrow minded and only want to talk about MM gassing into VR, VR should have held his composure and kept racing.

Had it been any other rider apart from VR, they would have been DQ'd..
There is no rule that prevents someone from taking someone wide. If you can show me such rule, I`ll agree with you. Marquez crash was his own doing. Penalty is for causing other to crash, but it`s clear that Rossi did not cause Marquez to crash.
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Jspazz 10/28/2015 11:59pm
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So you pissed off another rider. He's faster than you. You can't pass him and stay in front of him, and now you decide, hey, I'm going to REALLY piss him off.

You lose.

End of story.

What am I missing? Rossi is done, and obviously can't be fast enough to decide his own fate. Too bad.
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CeeTee 10/29/2015 12:02am
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CeeTee wrote:
None of them mentioned any kicking/running into, they saw Rossi purposely taking MM wide because he got angry. You're to narrow minded and only want to...
None of them mentioned any kicking/running into, they saw Rossi purposely taking MM wide because he got angry.

You're to narrow minded and only want to talk about MM gassing into VR, VR should have held his composure and kept racing.

Had it been any other rider apart from VR, they would have been DQ'd..
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There is no rule that prevents someone from taking someone wide. If you can show me such rule, I`ll agree with you. Marquez crash was his...
There is no rule that prevents someone from taking someone wide. If you can show me such rule, I`ll agree with you. Marquez crash was his own doing. Penalty is for causing other to crash, but it`s clear that Rossi did not cause Marquez to crash.
He was penalized for irresponsible riding causing danger to other competitors. Not the crash!

I agree taking people wide is part of racing, but the way that VR did it was not racing, it was trying to shut another rider down at what ever cost, in this case his own cost.
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Aryen 10/29/2015 12:23am
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Aryen wrote:
16-pager about a non-dirtbike subject, go figure....
scott_nz wrote:
moto gp is the biggest motorcycle race series in the world, by a fair bit, and this is the biggest incident that i can remember, not...
moto gp is the biggest motorcycle race series in the world, by a fair bit, and this is the biggest incident that i can remember,

not surprising that its popular,
And I LOVE the sport!

Not surprised it to be mentioned here, just surprised for it to grow into a 17-pager in just a couple of days.
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kiwifan 10/29/2015 12:26am
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Aryen wrote:
16-pager about a non-dirtbike subject, go figure....
scott_nz wrote:
moto gp is the biggest motorcycle race series in the world, by a fair bit, and this is the biggest incident that i can remember, not...
moto gp is the biggest motorcycle race series in the world, by a fair bit, and this is the biggest incident that i can remember,

not surprising that its popular,
Aryen wrote:
And I LOVE the sport! Not surprised it to be mentioned here, just surprised for it to grow into a 17-pager in just a couple of...
And I LOVE the sport!

Not surprised it to be mentioned here, just surprised for it to grow into a 17-pager in just a couple of days.
yes, its interesting....a few Rossi fans have said that because of the penalty on Rossi they wont watch anymore, well if Rossi retires from GP next year then they wont be watching anyway....a shame really its great to watch!
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kongols 10/29/2015 1:38am
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kiwifan wrote:
yes, its interesting....a few Rossi fans have said that because of the penalty on Rossi they wont watch anymore, well if Rossi retires from GP next...
yes, its interesting....a few Rossi fans have said that because of the penalty on Rossi they wont watch anymore, well if Rossi retires from GP next year then they wont be watching anyway....a shame really its great to watch!
That`s not entirely true. I won`t be watching because of farce the MotoGP has become due to spanish antics, not because of Rossi retiring. There is a big difference.
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markit 10/29/2015 1:49am
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So vr is a danger to the other riders and mm is the good guy. Ok, i see how this works now. Sure i like Rossi but anyone that has followed motogp knows he hasn't been a solid contender for years. Gp hasnt been the same sense the 500s.
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VRR7 10/29/2015 1:59am
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I still stand by the hard fact of the videos. Rossi ran him wide and gave him his choice gas or brake it's clear as day...
I still stand by the hard fact of the videos. Rossi ran him wide and gave him his choice gas or brake it's clear as day MM chose to dip a shoulder and gas it. MM made contact not rossi no mater if he stared at him waved at him it does not matter the rider with the inside can do what ever he wants. Had rossi slid into him and touched him. It's his fault. As long as rossi gives him pavement to ride he's good.
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This is evidence of what would be called match fixing in any other sport !
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VET176 wrote:
"Jorge Lorenzo's disrespectful discourse and attitude may cost him his job at Yamaha, rumor has it. Lin Jarvis would rather did not have JL99 involved in...
"Jorge Lorenzo's disrespectful discourse and attitude may cost him his job at Yamaha, rumor has it. Lin Jarvis would rather did not have JL99 involved in the fray.

Lorenzo's disrespectful words targeting Rossi are said to be yet another reason for the irritation of the Yamaha officials. Though unconfirmed, it appears that Yamaha is even considering no longer employing Jorge Lorenzo in 2016."

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/yamaha-rumored-to-part-ways-with-lorenzo-because-of-his-attitude-in-the-rossi-case-101409.html
Info on Yamaha's MotoGP rider line up for next year?

http://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Yamaha-Moto-Bot-Self-drivin…

I don't think their feet come off the pegs FWIW.
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Motofinne 10/29/2015 5:34am
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ChrisB10 wrote:
Here's a great article on what the points scenarios on November 8th. Basically where Rossi needs to finish according to how Lorenzo finishes.

http://m.foxsports.com.au/motor-sport/moto-gp/motogp-where-valentino-ro…
Well Rossi has a chance to win the championship if Lorenzo finishes 3rd or worse.

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