Matthes cites 2017 Supercross changes

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Mit12 10/22/2015 9:13pm
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2 mains has been tried before and it sucked. Why have 2 shorter races? A chase foremat with 22 riders on dirt will turn the championship into a championship based on luck.

Why not make qualifying first and whinning heat races point paying things? We need more difficult race tracks with longer main event times which will promote better racing not gimmicks.
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willie838 10/22/2015 9:29pm
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Just a quick thought, as somebody on the outside looking in

with nascar- i never took what is probably the 2 minutes required to understand how someone qualifies for the cup, or how they go from that to winning it....

single stand alone races i can tune in to and follow- it's just racing but for your casual viewer- i haven't the foggiest idea what the chase for the cup is?

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so i'm kind of hoping it isn't something like that for SX because- the last thing you need to do is make the product confusing for people trying to get on board (if creating new fans is still a goal)
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kiwifan 10/22/2015 9:57pm
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kiwifan wrote:
Yes a shame Yamaha brought their 400 4 stroke into race, changed the sport forever...but is what it is
500guy wrote:
Bullshit, Privateers have had more hole shots and success on 4 strokes , The gap between the privateer 2 strokes and Factory bikes was huge, The...
Bullshit, Privateers have had more hole shots and success on 4 strokes , The gap between the privateer 2 strokes and Factory bikes was huge,
The racing is closer and better or as good as it was when everyone was drooling over Johnson, Baily , and all them.

You say bullshit to it changing the sport then say how much it has changed the sport....
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Oh Jesus. Resetting the points basically wrecks the sport. Go ahead and do it, but make sure you change the name from supercross and start a new record book. Joker lanes make it look less like an actual sport. Might as well add style judges and a mandatory backflip. I like Steve but we are far apart on what is good for the sport based on what I've heard him say. But by all means, don't address the tracks or bikes. Just make it into circuscross. It's all about the monster truck crowd anyway.

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GoonSquad250x wrote:
AX got pretty exciting this year & I'll actually be tuning in for every race this coming season. A lot more people will be. Just sayn...
I don't even watch Arenacross now before the chase, what's the point? Where as before I would try and watch the whole series.
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No I have never been to a nascar race or even watched one on tv. Why the hell would I do that? I have been to...
No I have never been to a nascar race or even watched one on tv. Why the hell would I do that? I have been to over 40 SX races going back to the mid 80's. I get it. People (even on this board) just want entertainment and sensation fulfillment. To hell with the fact supercross was once a racing sport that has turned into a wwe/fireworks/tits n ass/rock concert circus show. Fuck it. Lets come up with ideas to make as much money off the riders as possible since that is what is good for the sport according to most.
Nascar is rad dont be that "left turn cant be hard" asshole. The intros and shit is one of the best things about supercross. How is supercross not a racing sport??? when the supercross championship is probably the most desired in all of motocross. You have to remember the majority of people at supercross arent hardcore dudes. Mostly families and people who dont really know much about the sport. There is a reason that it has a 3 hour slot on FS1 and we have to watch outdoors online. The fan base isnt hardcore old dudes.
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DPR250R 10/23/2015 5:33am
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If they can get 70% of the top riders on the gate throughout the season and have the excitment build throughout the year instead of decline... It's a win.

The current system works in reverse. The opening rounds are the best and then it becomes a snooz fest.

In every series, not just supercross.
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Brown bagging would be cool,that way i wouldn't need those Larry Bird tube socks to carry in my pints.
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Or sharks with frickin lasers on their heads.
Maybe it's just too early in the morning, but I'm sitting in a big lecture hall and nearly started cracking up from this post.
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Spartacus 10/23/2015 6:44am
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Or sharks with frickin lasers on their heads.
Premixed112 wrote:
Maybe it's just too early in the morning, but I'm sitting in a big lecture hall and nearly started cracking up from this post.
It must be early because my post was childish and add noting to an important discussion.

But, if they changed all the tracks to a figure 8 configuration we might be on to something.
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ninjalean 10/23/2015 7:14am
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All that needs to be done is change the points for first from 25 to 30. That will give guys a big incentive to win and catch the series leader.
GoonSquad250x 10/23/2015 7:17am
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I don't even watch Arenacross now before the chase, what's the point? Where as before I would try and watch the whole series.
My point is that it seemed to make the racing a lot more competitive & tighter. I know the "core" guys don't like it, but it helped spark a lot more interest this season because of how the racing turned out. Pulpmx was even there for the final doing a live show because how it went down to the last Moto.

I don't think a few changes are going to ruin the sport. It could only help. Their not worried about a few core people on Vital anyway, their more worried about drawing more/new interest to the races. They know we will always be there. (IMHO)Smile
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Sully22 10/23/2015 8:12am
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What if they reset the points after 12 rounds and did some type of playoff for the last 5 rounds, but at the same time keep the championship for the 17 round series as well. They could have a monster energy sx champion for the 17 race series, and a GoPro (insert sponsor name here) SX playoff championship. That way we keep the old school happy and don't corrupt the old way of doing things yet add excitement to the final 5 rounds....each championship would have its own bonus payout. It would give those injured at the beginning something to come back and race for the final few rounds, it would give those with a DNF, those with a bad race, and so on, something to race for.

Sure, they'd have two championships but they used to have that world sx champ thingy that Heath voss won years ago.

Also, not sure if it was mentioned before, apologies if it was, but I skimmed through most of the 3 pages.
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ninjalean wrote:
All that needs to be done is change the points for first from 25 to 30. That will give guys a big incentive to win and...
All that needs to be done is change the points for first from 25 to 30. That will give guys a big incentive to win and catch the series leader.
Or Dungey wraps it up with 6 races still left to go.

I would like to see a playoff for supercross. Maybe they do something different, like a rider has to finish on the podium in at least one of the first 14 races. Then the remaining 3 races are the playoff where points reset and we now have 3 races to decide the champion. It would incentive good hard racing the first 14 rounds because they are pushing for that podium to qualify, and it would add more excitement back into the end of the series.
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resetjet 10/23/2015 8:20am
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Make it easy for joe schmoo. Ever try to explain SX to a non moto dude. Its like trying to get them to understand the game of craps. Its easy, but they never get it.

Quali's during the day. No quali's in night show, just races.

All of us sit all day long and watch anyway, so that can be our time. The night show is just racing.

2 10 lap mains for 250 and 450.

I had all this detailed in a post awhile back, but also have a B class so the second tier riders can win something too and get some TV time at night. Just one 10 lap main for 250 and one for 450.

KISS.....Keep it simple stupid.....

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Holigan 10/23/2015 8:28am
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Make the tracks more technical, that naturally produce multiple lines through every section. Keep everything else the way it is.
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NorcalVet 10/23/2015 8:57am
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Boom!
Chicka Boom!

Rockstar coming on as the main sponsor and bringing back Zusukis and my two favorite riders Brake Horton and Brake Baggens

Plus the rockstar girls are way classier and they ride



MXandSXracer21 10/23/2015 9:23am
10/23/2015 9:23am
How about the first race be a warm-up race..that way rider can get settings squared away, first race jitters out of the way, etc. Maybe a 1/2 points race or simply cash payout race. Or it can help determine top 10 safe qualifiers for the year?

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Park Boys wrote:
I don't even watch Arenacross now before the chase, what's the point? Where as before I would try and watch the whole series.
GoonSquad250x wrote:
My point is that it seemed to make the racing a lot more competitive & tighter. I know the "core" guys don't like it, but it...
My point is that it seemed to make the racing a lot more competitive & tighter. I know the "core" guys don't like it, but it helped spark a lot more interest this season because of how the racing turned out. Pulpmx was even there for the final doing a live show because how it went down to the last Moto.

I don't think a few changes are going to ruin the sport. It could only help. Their not worried about a few core people on Vital anyway, their more worried about drawing more/new interest to the races. They know we will always be there. (IMHO)Smile
what makes the racing "tighter" and "better" is guys not getting hurt and not getting burned out.

Honestly 16 races is a lot for a series and by the last third everyone is either out with injury or burned out. JT$ talked about this about how he, as a racer, started his season in November, going to big euro money races. For AX guys they dont have as many stops and AX isnt as hard as SX.

If you cut the series down to say, 12 rounds, change the 250 series into a national title, youll get to see the best 250 guys race every race and guys will have more energy as they arent "pacing" for 16 rounds. The shorter series also means Less points are being handed out so every weekend has greater weight.

also the shorter motos and 2 motos acts as a "mandatory" reset. Heck to keep it "fair" do a mandatory red flag start at lap ten. this way your guy who was leading isnt penalized from a bad start
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-Eliminate night heat races/semis. Hold qualifying during the day (which might get a few more butts in the seat and create excitement for practice). More importantly, it takes away the meaningless and redundancy from the bulk of the night show, where essentially you're getting the same guys in the main event no matter what.
-Maybe 2 or 3 points for a holeshot.
-Obviously, moving to a two-main format. Two 12 (or so) lap mains for the 250s, and two 16 (or so) lap mains for the 450s. To fill out the night, I've always like the idea of having some kind of LCQ at night to start the show. I think the excitement this would generate is pretty self explanatory.
-One half or one full point for each lap led. It took a minute for me to warm up to this one, but really think about it. It likely helps keep a wildcard or two in the points chase. But the BIG reason I like the idea, is because it would prevent the almost weekly occurrence of the second and third place guys basically giving up after lap 10 and settling in for the remainder of the race, especially in the 450s.
-A extra couple of points for sweeping both mains.
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Rdubs19 10/23/2015 9:32am
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Oh, and a 125 two stroke amateur race at the every round!!!!!! Can't believe I forgot to include that. If you don't think that idea is badass, I'm sorry but you don't like motocross. It could feature local A-riders, or maybe be a sort of minor league to follow along the whole series, or be split into 2 - 4 regions, whatever. Find a sponsor to throw some gigantic purses and get creative with it, the fans would absolutely eat it up.
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Rdubs19 10/23/2015 9:40am
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ninjalean wrote:
All that needs to be done is change the points for first from 25 to 30. That will give guys a big incentive to win and...
All that needs to be done is change the points for first from 25 to 30. That will give guys a big incentive to win and catch the series leader.
NV825 wrote:
Or Dungey wraps it up with 6 races still left to go. I would like to see a playoff for supercross. Maybe they do something different...
Or Dungey wraps it up with 6 races still left to go.

I would like to see a playoff for supercross. Maybe they do something different, like a rider has to finish on the podium in at least one of the first 14 races. Then the remaining 3 races are the playoff where points reset and we now have 3 races to decide the champion. It would incentive good hard racing the first 14 rounds because they are pushing for that podium to qualify, and it would add more excitement back into the end of the series.
Now the playoff idea with mandatory podium is pretty ingenious. It adds another layer of explanation for newbies but I think most people would get it pretty quick. Unless Ralph is explaining, in which case, nobody on earth will ever get it.
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endurox 10/23/2015 10:11am
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Want better racing, get the ama to change the 2 stroke displacement to equal ccs. 250 class is 250cc. Ride a 2 stroke or 4 stroke. 450 class allow either 2 or 4 stroke. Add a box stock 125 class wtih the winning bike automatically gets raffled off for charity. Winning rider gets paid 8k$ for the bike. So this would limit the cheating in the 125 box stock class. Only changes would be allowed are external gearing, tyres, handlebars and grips. Bring the cost of racing down should be the main goal in the box stock class. The exposure at SX for low cost racing would get more people in the sport.
Enduro x gives an extra pt for top qualifier in the afternoon and then after heat races in evening there is another hot lap qualifier. ! more pt is up for grabs. 8 events this year, which means 16 extra pts available.
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OldYZRider1 10/23/2015 12:39pm
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You guys are way off base, it's gonna be a much bigger change. The Monster claw is being changed from green to pink. BNG's!!
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Points for qualifying, blind draw gate picks and (2) 12 lap mains.
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Pretty sure it is that Supercross is going to be held over the summer now too and replace MX.
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Whatever the changes are, I really doubt they'll be changing the format too much. These SX events need to work around the TV schedules.
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12 - 8 minute mains
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Starcrossed wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing some minor changes. If they do go to a two main format, the semis for the 450s would probably be eliminated so...
I wouldn't mind seeing some minor changes. If they do go to a two main format, the semis for the 450s would probably be eliminated so there wouldn't be an issue with time. I don't think that any changes made to the points system would result in losing any of the current fans, and am willing to accept some growing pains in the interest of expanding the sport and making it possible for more riders to earn their living racing motorcycles.
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How about eliminating the LCQ instead?
I like it. Better yet, call it LCQ 1 and LCQ 2 and drop the semis. Then nobody can complain that there isn't an LCQ.
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ninjalean wrote:
All that needs to be done is change the points for first from 25 to 30. That will give guys a big incentive to win and...
All that needs to be done is change the points for first from 25 to 30. That will give guys a big incentive to win and catch the series leader.
I think a stack of cash and a piece of ass would motivate most of them more. I don't feel like guys are out there just cruising around. You don't get to be that good by not giving it your all when you are out on the track. Most racers are dealing with injury or who knows what else. Not everybody is the same. People react differently to different situations or circumstances. More often than not, one guy is just better than the rest in that particular series IMO.

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