Why do they HATE California?

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Edited Date/Time 10/16/2015 5:37pm

It is no secret that many top pros hate California. You hear it all the time during podcasts etc. I have my own opinion of this place. But I am very curios as to what specifically it is that they hate about it? Is it the same stuff we all hate? Traffic, expensive etc?
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10/15/2015 12:45pm
cause everyone knows what the others are doing
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10/15/2015 12:50pm
Because even leaving the strip club at 2am, there is bumper to bumper traffic.
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10/15/2015 1:04pm
monty wrote:
cause everyone knows what the others are doing
Ahhhh. I got it. I bet this is reason #1.
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10/15/2015 1:06pm
Plus all the cali tracks let everyone out at onces, so its a hazard. Also, you are constantly trying to avoid amateurs when they are trying to get their stuff done.

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10/15/2015 1:14pm
Hate is overratrd.
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10/15/2015 1:16pm
I doubt it has anything to do with almost 65% of their pay going toward taxes when all is said and done. Between federal, state, local, its like 64.2% of gross income. Then living expenses after having all of that pulled from your check...
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It is no secret that many top pros hate California. You hear it all the time during podcasts etc. I have my own opinion of this...

It is no secret that many top pros hate California. You hear it all the time during podcasts etc. I have my own opinion of this place. But I am very curios as to what specifically it is that they hate about it? Is it the same stuff we all hate? Traffic, expensive etc?
Oh man. 5-pager here for sure.

For the pros, I think it comes down to just being able to get the job done. Weather-wise, Cali is excellent for riding year-round, but there are so many obstacles that get in the way of being able to just focus. From traffic, to over-crowded public tracks (with poor soil quality compared to most other parts of the country), SoCal is undoubtedly still the heart of the MX industry, but that no longer means everyone needs to live here to be part of it.

The Southeast offers great riding and training weather, land at a fraction the cost of what it costs in CA, and (for those set up on their own ranches and training facilities) solitude to focus on what needs to be done, which is: ride, train, eat, sleep, repeat...

Also keep in mind that many of the pro riders out there grew up in pretty rural environments. SoCal is pretty much the opposite of that. Even a places like Palmdale or Temecula are not rural in comparison to parts of the farmland of the mid-west and south.
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10/15/2015 1:28pm
It depends on what kind of money you make. If your well off and can pay the bills, you can roll up the windows in a luxury car and block it all out, then commute to a nice neighborhood or property.

In some working class neighborhoods the cons are taxes, dirty cities, dirty air, traffic, morally bad people...

TRAFFIC is the worst.

THIS IS ALL BASED ON SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. Cali is a huge state, there are dramatic differences in different parts of Cali. The pros are lamenting socal, which is totally valid.
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10/15/2015 1:33pm
You sound like a barney when you say "socal" or "cali"
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10/15/2015 1:37pm
It is no secret that many top pros hate California. You hear it all the time during podcasts etc. I have my own opinion of this...

It is no secret that many top pros hate California. You hear it all the time during podcasts etc. I have my own opinion of this place. But I am very curios as to what specifically it is that they hate about it? Is it the same stuff we all hate? Traffic, expensive etc?
Most of these guys didn't grow up in Southern California. They go to SoCal for work.
I think it's just a case of familiarity and what those guys are used to. It's not "Home".

On your sidebar it says that you live up in the desert... So you are out of the core of the "mess", but I'm sure you go down the hill frequently, if not every day for work? If you moved up here to Washington for work, you would probably grow tired of the rain half of the year, the colder temps and several things about the people up here. You might like the trees, the fishing, etc. Overall, in that hypothetical situation, you may or may not ever think of the Northwest as "Home".

When I lived in CA, I was active duty in the Corps and stationed up in 29 Palms. I was there for because I had to be for my profession, not because that's where I chose to live. I really enjoyed having warm and dry weather every single day without worrying about the forecast. I enjoyed having access to tons of different MX tracks. I didn't care for some of the people, especially those who try to broadcast an image. To an outsider, the percentage of people in SoCal who put on a show, create a façade or "fake it" seems much higher than many other areas.
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10/15/2015 1:45pm
rubarb wrote:
You sound like a barney when you say "socal" or "cali"
Oh so sorry, was typing on my phone. The correct vernacular is "California" and "Southern California." Feel better?
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10/15/2015 1:50pm
Yes, much better

Losta barneys around here

Don't be a barney Wink
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10/15/2015 1:52pm
I've always heard everybody talk about how expensive everything is out there, but every time I have been I've noticed the opposite. Had some great meals and drinks at some pretty nice places and was rather shocked at the bill. You damn sure don't get this view in southeast Texas, filet and seafood dinner and wine/drinks for four and out the door for $180.00 with tip.





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10/15/2015 2:29pm
WTF is a barney?

My take, if I lived anywhere near the 91/15 intersection I would hate it as well. I think it's much easier going/better traffic where I live in San Diego, but I'm also not 15 minutes from mx tracks.
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10/15/2015 2:33pm
the cost of owning a home here is expensive, when for same money you can have acreage in another state, LA area has too much traffic and people, the dirt isnt the wonderful loamy sand you find up and down the east coast, and for training purposes the higher humidity preps you more than just heat
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10/15/2015 2:34pm
seth505 wrote:
WTF is a barney? My take, if I lived anywhere near the 91/15 intersection I would hate it as well. I think it's much easier going/better...
WTF is a barney?

My take, if I lived anywhere near the 91/15 intersection I would hate it as well. I think it's much easier going/better traffic where I live in San Diego, but I'm also not 15 minutes from mx tracks.


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the cost of owning a home here is expensive, when for same money you can have acreage in another state, LA area has too much traffic...
the cost of owning a home here is expensive, when for same money you can have acreage in another state, LA area has too much traffic and people, the dirt isnt the wonderful loamy sand you find up and down the east coast, and for training purposes the higher humidity preps you more than just heat
How big is your house and what is your electric bill per month on average?
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10/15/2015 2:44pm
Well, I don't think it's a coincidence that FL has no state income tax and is the place most prefer over FL.

Also, dry and dusty climate and dirt vs humidity and ruts in FL, more like what they see race day for outdoors.
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10/15/2015 2:44pm
I grew up on the East Coast but lived out west for about 10 years. I'm going on 7 years in Cali and did a quick 3 in Portland Oregon.

The only thing I dislike in California is the traffic, home prices and the dirt. There's a few tracks(Zaca Station, LACR) who have done great work with what they have but for the most part the dirt is whateves.

Other than those 3 things which aren't even that big of a deal, California could be perfect for an outdoor enthusiast.

I also want to add that a positive in southern Cali is that you can ride a groomed track everyday of the week all year round. Can't say that about every state..
10/15/2015 2:46pm
the cost of owning a home here is expensive, when for same money you can have acreage in another state, LA area has too much traffic...
the cost of owning a home here is expensive, when for same money you can have acreage in another state, LA area has too much traffic and people, the dirt isnt the wonderful loamy sand you find up and down the east coast, and for training purposes the higher humidity preps you more than just heat
newmann wrote:
How big is your house and what is your electric bill per month on average?
I agree with Phillip.

As far as my house it's about 2100 sq feet 4 bedroom 21/2 bath and our electric bill is around $500-$550 a month during summer. Houses in my area are going for $450,000 and up. Unfortunately the wife, daughter and I have to live with my parents because we can't afford to live on our own. And the wife and I make around 60,000-65,000 a year combined. It's crazy how expensive it is to live in Southern California. We are looking into Idaho and found a house with 20 acres for $160,000.
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10/15/2015 2:46pm
rubarb wrote:
You sound like a barney when you say "socal" or "cali"
I've lived in California my entire life, I would never say Cali or Frisco. I know when to ad "the" to the name of a freeway and when not to. When did So Cal become part of this list?
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10/15/2015 2:50pm
Ahh, c'mon man, don't be a barney
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I have gone down to SoCal a lot in my life and the only reason I don't live there is because of traffic. I would lose my mind if I had to deal with it on a daily basis. It's a great place to visit and has incredible weather and tracks, but the shine wears off really fast when you are sitting in you're car forever to go anywhere.

That being said, if you're going to live down there then you have to take advantage of the beach. Cole Seely has it right with a pad not far from the beach with a smoking hot gf. I would hate to live inland regardless of how much closer it is to the tracks.
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10/15/2015 3:03pm
rubarb wrote:
You sound like a barney when you say "socal" or "cali"
RandyS wrote:
I've lived in California my entire life, I would never say Cali or Frisco. I know when to ad "the" to the name of a freeway...
I've lived in California my entire life, I would never say Cali or Frisco. I know when to ad "the" to the name of a freeway and when not to. When did So Cal become part of this list?
Never...plenty of people say SoCal.
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10/15/2015 3:10pm
Pretty sure nobody really hates SoCal, they just hate SoCal tracks and SoCal dirt. Yeah they have to spend a lot of time here for SX but a lot of them still have houses here. SoCal has probably the highest amount of tracks for a small area but I doubt anyone would say Cali has the best dirt... Other than maybe josh grant
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10/15/2015 3:13pm
$550 for a power bill and its 2100 ft.?!!! Mine is 3800 ft and my bill is rarely over $250 in the summer with mississippi hear and humidity! Cost varies by county, in my county values are averaging $130-165 a ft. Which is high for the state. Land varies by county as well, some of the best dirt for a track in the state is about $400 an acre. Where im at it starts at $5500 and 1/3 acre lots in developments range from $30k to $250k. But everything else is cheap and no traffic lol
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10/15/2015 3:13pm
Dtat720 wrote:
I doubt it has anything to do with almost 65% of their pay going toward taxes when all is said and done. Between federal, state, local...
I doubt it has anything to do with almost 65% of their pay going toward taxes when all is said and done. Between federal, state, local, its like 64.2% of gross income. Then living expenses after having all of that pulled from your check...
Yeah, that's spot on! 64.2%! I'm surprised that you know somebody that was able to uncover that precise number, but good on him. Tell all your friends that you read on the interwebs that next year it's going up to 70.34% taxes in California......and to PLEASE stay away from that god forsaken liberal bastion of a state!Whistling
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10/15/2015 3:14pm
rubarb wrote:
You sound like a barney when you say "socal" or "cali"
You sound like a complete tool when you call someone a "barney".

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