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inthebadboycorner 8/20/2015 1:39pm
8/20/2015 1:39pm
YZ125H1 wrote:
Would be nice if you could get the suspension sprung for your weight from the factory. Some day I would like to see adjustable offset clamps...
Would be nice if you could get the suspension sprung for your weight from the factory. Some day I would like to see adjustable offset clamps and rear linkage come standard.


cwtoyota wrote:
There's a "quote last post only" button, there should be a "QUOTE WITHOUT PICTURES / ATTACHMENTS" button too. You can get springs from most manufacturers. Yamaha...
There's a "quote last post only" button, there should be a "QUOTE WITHOUT PICTURES / ATTACHMENTS" button too.

You can get springs from most manufacturers. Yamaha offers optional extras like spring rates and other stuff in their OEM parts system. They should be sold by the dealers the same way option packages are in the new car/truck market, but I've never heard of that happening. I think part of it is due to the customer and part of it is due to the dealer.

The customer who races these bikes probably has "his" suspension guy or shop. I happen to like RG3 for a re-valve and I do all my own oil/seals/bushings/etc.

The dealer has a service department and often has a guy who can re-valve & re-spring for their customer. Maybe they have better profit margin selling aftermarket springs and their own setup service.

I'm not an insider, those are just my logical observations.
I cant find hit the "Post no pic button"

Anyways, 1986 my CR125 came from the factory with optional hard and soft springs,
probably cost Honda all of $20 ????
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philG 8/20/2015 1:48pm
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You can. Buy a TM. You can pick spring rates, Ohlins or KYB SS, you can even choose your motor package. if the 55hp isnt enough...
You can.

Buy a TM. You can pick spring rates, Ohlins or KYB SS, you can even choose your motor package. if the 55hp isnt enough out of the 300 2T, you can get 60. polished or brushed triple clamps, rubber or solid mounts. hand built in Italy by someone who gives a shit. Seeing that the 2017 250SX is coming with a Mikuni, that has shifted my attention to TM.

If a graphics company were enterprising, they could put together boot graphics for the most popular boots, since theyre like 75% plastic now. Problem is, the graphics arm of this sport are the artsy-fartsy, starbucks guzzling, skinny jeans wearing divas and getting them to do anything is like getting your girlfriend to pick the restaurant for dinner. I understand the masses may not share my disdain.

This is a stock bike. Look closely.





Well that saved me doing it.

This is a 2014 SMX300, has the steeper head angle , and 14mm offset clamps, we didnt go for the fork kit as we have Factory Marzocchis and a 108mm Brembo caliper, and we passed on the billet linkages and stuff because we wanted money to put into the motor. Waiting time from order was 7 weeks .



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newmann 8/20/2015 1:51pm
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early wrote:
Does anyone have the price of a Beta or TM 300 with some custom options? Bet it would be the close to a 450 with some...
Does anyone have the price of a Beta or TM 300 with some custom options? Bet it would be the close to a 450 with some after market parts to make it work better for the individual. Just guessing but i have a number around $8500+ for custom changes.
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They don't charge extra, and their TM shock is a direct copy of the showa works shock... Only lighter... They're priced within 200 bucks of a...
They don't charge extra, and their TM shock is a direct copy of the showa works shock... Only lighter...

They're priced within 200 bucks of a ktm equivalent model. The gp TM team races virtually stock bikes.
bob567 wrote:
Does your local TM dealer have parts in stock? More importantly does BTO, Rocky Mountain, or Motosport have parts in stock? Great bike but parts &...
Does your local TM dealer have parts in stock? More importantly does BTO, Rocky Mountain, or Motosport have parts in stock? Great bike but parts & service is a issue. Not so with KTM. And the reason the GP TM team is racing stock bikes is there is no factory support or aftermarket support.
Does your local Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki dealer have parts in stock? Truth is, you only need one good parts source with decent shipping to beat 90% of local dealers. Now whether or not there is one good parts source....
SandProtege 8/20/2015 1:54pm
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The Narrator wrote:
You can. Buy a TM. You can pick spring rates, Ohlins or KYB SS, you can even choose your motor package. if the 55hp isnt enough...
You can.

Buy a TM. You can pick spring rates, Ohlins or KYB SS, you can even choose your motor package. if the 55hp isnt enough out of the 300 2T, you can get 60. polished or brushed triple clamps, rubber or solid mounts. hand built in Italy by someone who gives a shit. Seeing that the 2017 250SX is coming with a Mikuni, that has shifted my attention to TM.

If a graphics company were enterprising, they could put together boot graphics for the most popular boots, since theyre like 75% plastic now. Problem is, the graphics arm of this sport are the artsy-fartsy, starbucks guzzling, skinny jeans wearing divas and getting them to do anything is like getting your girlfriend to pick the restaurant for dinner. I understand the masses may not share my disdain.

This is a stock bike. Look closely.





If the grips come like that...

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JW381 8/20/2015 3:00pm
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Its going on 2016 and we still can't get morans to drop the vague cliffhanger thread titles? Just put "custom boot design" in the thread title so I know to avoid clicking on it.
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There is a company, well...two, that will sell you their works stuff.
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From what I see the custom gear thing would not work because they are manufactured in large batches, probably months before they are released to the public. It is not like they are still producing 2015 gear right now. I know parts unlimited gets their Thor and Moose lines in....and once they are gone, that is it for the year.
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They don't charge extra, and their TM shock is a direct copy of the showa works shock... Only lighter... They're priced within 200 bucks of a...
They don't charge extra, and their TM shock is a direct copy of the showa works shock... Only lighter...

They're priced within 200 bucks of a ktm equivalent model. The gp TM team races virtually stock bikes.
bob567 wrote:
Does your local TM dealer have parts in stock? More importantly does BTO, Rocky Mountain, or Motosport have parts in stock? Great bike but parts &...
Does your local TM dealer have parts in stock? More importantly does BTO, Rocky Mountain, or Motosport have parts in stock? Great bike but parts & service is a issue. Not so with KTM. And the reason the GP TM team is racing stock bikes is there is no factory support or aftermarket support.
newmann wrote:
Does your local Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki dealer have parts in stock? Truth is, you only need one good parts source with decent shipping to...
Does your local Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki dealer have parts in stock? Truth is, you only need one good parts source with decent shipping to beat 90% of local dealers. Now whether or not there is one good parts source....
took the words out of my mouth.

Ralf Schmidt in Upton CA (motoman west) has everything you'd ever need. BTO is in CA too.. so whats the difference between logging on to BTO and ordering a piston, or calling Ralf and ordering a piston?

This is 2015, if you cant google/order a part for a TM, I honestly don't know what to tell you, man. i dont understand why people think they have to stand at a parts counter, and have someone get it off the shelf behind them, when no one does that anymore anyway.

I've ridden those bikes at Budds Creek. They're really nice, my only gripe is the CRF-clone 4 spring clutch, which I believe they did away with (this was 2012). the 300 two-stroke is a stump pulling tractor, the bars they come with are too tall for MX, but other than that..
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The manufacturing of most of these items is not a year round deal. Especially gear that's manufactured in Asia.

Your dealers place orders with the gear company's distributor and based upon the size of the pre-orders that the distributors can get from the dealers, the gear companies then proceed to place the order with the manufacturing factory. A complete run of gear for a mid-sized motocross gear company might take a couple of weeks at most to produce in a factory in asia and then it gets shipped to the manufacturer who then reships it out to the distributors, who then send the orders out to the dealers. The factory that produced the order might be making Fox one week, Thor the next and Alias and Moose side by side since they're not as big an order. Then they might be making ski jackets, or paintball gear after that.

Distributors will often order additional stock to fill special orders for their dealers, but nowhere near the amount that they send out to the dealers based on their pre-orders. The actual gear companies don't tend to stock much at all. It's left up to the dealers and distributors to anticipate the demand. Getting stuck with unsold inventory is a one way ticket to bankruptcy and why you see such aggressive sale on last years merchandise.

There isn't some little Korean kid sitting at a sewing machine year round waiting to sew up whatever colours are popular that week. It just doesn't work like that.
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Spartacus 8/20/2015 6:21pm
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Cue the opportunity for a small U.S. company to offer custom kit.

But....

Hell, USPSA and 3 Gun Nation shooters all have single or small order gear. Perhaps someone just needs to know there's a market to exploit....
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The Narrator wrote:
You can. Buy a TM. You can pick spring rates, Ohlins or KYB SS, you can even choose your motor package. if the 55hp isnt enough...
You can.

Buy a TM. You can pick spring rates, Ohlins or KYB SS, you can even choose your motor package. if the 55hp isnt enough out of the 300 2T, you can get 60. polished or brushed triple clamps, rubber or solid mounts. hand built in Italy by someone who gives a shit. Seeing that the 2017 250SX is coming with a Mikuni, that has shifted my attention to TM.

If a graphics company were enterprising, they could put together boot graphics for the most popular boots, since theyre like 75% plastic now. Problem is, the graphics arm of this sport are the artsy-fartsy, starbucks guzzling, skinny jeans wearing divas and getting them to do anything is like getting your girlfriend to pick the restaurant for dinner. I understand the masses may not share my disdain.

This is a stock bike. Look closely.





One of these days I really hope to ride one of the TM 250 2 strokes. I've always thought those bikes were sexy as hell , but damn , we can't really buy them here and nobody sells parts! An awesome brand of bikes that for some reason just hasn't made it to the states. Totally sucks!
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jeffro503 8/20/2015 7:24pm
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bob567 wrote:
Does your local TM dealer have parts in stock? More importantly does BTO, Rocky Mountain, or Motosport have parts in stock? Great bike but parts &...
Does your local TM dealer have parts in stock? More importantly does BTO, Rocky Mountain, or Motosport have parts in stock? Great bike but parts & service is a issue. Not so with KTM. And the reason the GP TM team is racing stock bikes is there is no factory support or aftermarket support.
newmann wrote:
Does your local Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki dealer have parts in stock? Truth is, you only need one good parts source with decent shipping to...
Does your local Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki dealer have parts in stock? Truth is, you only need one good parts source with decent shipping to beat 90% of local dealers. Now whether or not there is one good parts source....
The Narrator wrote:
took the words out of my mouth. Ralf Schmidt in Upton CA (motoman west) has everything you'd ever need. BTO is in CA too.. so whats...
took the words out of my mouth.

Ralf Schmidt in Upton CA (motoman west) has everything you'd ever need. BTO is in CA too.. so whats the difference between logging on to BTO and ordering a piston, or calling Ralf and ordering a piston?

This is 2015, if you cant google/order a part for a TM, I honestly don't know what to tell you, man. i dont understand why people think they have to stand at a parts counter, and have someone get it off the shelf behind them, when no one does that anymore anyway.

I've ridden those bikes at Budds Creek. They're really nice, my only gripe is the CRF-clone 4 spring clutch, which I believe they did away with (this was 2012). the 300 two-stroke is a stump pulling tractor, the bars they come with are too tall for MX, but other than that..
But where can we actually buy the bike? That is the first question.
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NATEP231 8/20/2015 8:09pm
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JW381 wrote:
Its going on 2016 and we still can't get morans to drop the vague cliffhanger thread titles? Just put "custom boot design" in the thread title...
Its going on 2016 and we still can't get morans to drop the vague cliffhanger thread titles? Just put "custom boot design" in the thread title so I know to avoid clicking on it.
From what I can tell that in 2016 you will still bitch about....well pretty much everything
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early wrote:
Does anyone have the price of a Beta or TM 300 with some custom options? Bet it would be the close to a 450 with some...
Does anyone have the price of a Beta or TM 300 with some custom options? Bet it would be the close to a 450 with some after market parts to make it work better for the individual. Just guessing but i have a number around $8500+ for custom changes.
Here's the link to Beta BYOB, it totals up as you add options and you can go to checkout and Viola! Custom bike.

http://www.betausa.com/byob/RR/1851#byob-beta-thumbs



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Aaryn234 8/21/2015 4:39am
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YZ125H1 wrote:
Would be nice if you could get the suspension sprung for your weight from the factory. Some day I would like to see adjustable offset clamps...
Would be nice if you could get the suspension sprung for your weight from the factory. Some day I would like to see adjustable offset clamps and rear linkage come standard.


You can, they are calling them air forks
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When they are building bikes, in low volume, which MX bikes are, they probably run each model down the line for a couple of weeks at best, and then stockpile them for delivery. You can bet KTM will have run most of 2016 mx stuff by end of august
The Narrator 8/21/2015 5:00am
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newmann wrote:
Does your local Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki dealer have parts in stock? Truth is, you only need one good parts source with decent shipping to...
Does your local Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki dealer have parts in stock? Truth is, you only need one good parts source with decent shipping to beat 90% of local dealers. Now whether or not there is one good parts source....
The Narrator wrote:
took the words out of my mouth. Ralf Schmidt in Upton CA (motoman west) has everything you'd ever need. BTO is in CA too.. so whats...
took the words out of my mouth.

Ralf Schmidt in Upton CA (motoman west) has everything you'd ever need. BTO is in CA too.. so whats the difference between logging on to BTO and ordering a piston, or calling Ralf and ordering a piston?

This is 2015, if you cant google/order a part for a TM, I honestly don't know what to tell you, man. i dont understand why people think they have to stand at a parts counter, and have someone get it off the shelf behind them, when no one does that anymore anyway.

I've ridden those bikes at Budds Creek. They're really nice, my only gripe is the CRF-clone 4 spring clutch, which I believe they did away with (this was 2012). the 300 two-stroke is a stump pulling tractor, the bars they come with are too tall for MX, but other than that..
jeffro503 wrote:
But where can we actually buy the bike? That is the first question.
Motoman West, Upton CA, Ralf Schmidt if you're on the west coast. Cycle Playground in PA if you're on the east coast. You're far enough North that you could get one in CA where that CamNasty guy get's his.
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JW381 8/21/2015 8:27am
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JW381 wrote:
Its going on 2016 and we still can't get morans to drop the vague cliffhanger thread titles? Just put "custom boot design" in the thread title...
Its going on 2016 and we still can't get morans to drop the vague cliffhanger thread titles? Just put "custom boot design" in the thread title so I know to avoid clicking on it.
NATEP231 wrote:
From what I can tell that in 2016 you will still bitch about....well pretty much everything
Not anything, but definitely vital morans doing moran things.

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JW381 wrote:
Its going on 2016 and we still can't get morans to drop the vague cliffhanger thread titles? Just put "custom boot design" in the thread title...
Its going on 2016 and we still can't get morans to drop the vague cliffhanger thread titles? Just put "custom boot design" in the thread title so I know to avoid clicking on it.
NATEP231 wrote:
From what I can tell that in 2016 you will still bitch about....well pretty much everything
Are you a Vital MX expert now after 82 posts or are you a recycled Vital MX moran?

I'm with you on this subject Justin. The best "worst" thread title recently was Why? If you aren't articulate enough to come up with a representative thread title I am not going to bother to read the thread.
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Slosh 112 8/21/2015 4:30pm
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I think the thing that annoys me the most more that personalisation of a bike is how long it takes for race level stuff to filter...
I think the thing that annoys me the most more that personalisation of a bike is how long it takes for race level stuff to filter down to OEM standard

The first thing I have done with all my bikes is put a 270mm front disc & a braided front brake line on them, factory teams have been running them since like what? 1990? why does it take so long for something like that to filter down to the show room? I know Kawasaki & Yamaha have 270mm discs & Honda has got a 260mm discs (Honestly wtf Honda? whats an extra 10mm?) this year finally but still no braided front line...

Decent footpegs... (I think yamaha is the only one that offers wide pegs as standard)
Hydraulic clutch?
When are we going to see Holeshot buttons fitted from the factory? 2030?
bob567 wrote:
KTM sell's stock bikes with everything (and much more) than you asked for. Ever hear of them? They are kinda a big deal in MX/SX.
Yeah good one mate. So I was referring to the Japanese brands, they are the first with mass produced inject 4 strokes and alloy frames but drag the chain with big brakes.
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NATEP231 8/21/2015 6:40pm
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JW381 wrote:
Its going on 2016 and we still can't get morans to drop the vague cliffhanger thread titles? Just put "custom boot design" in the thread title...
Its going on 2016 and we still can't get morans to drop the vague cliffhanger thread titles? Just put "custom boot design" in the thread title so I know to avoid clicking on it.
NATEP231 wrote:
From what I can tell that in 2016 you will still bitch about....well pretty much everything
The Rock wrote:
Are you a Vital MX expert now after 82 posts or are you a recycled Vital MX moran? I'm with you on this subject Justin. The...
Are you a Vital MX expert now after 82 posts or are you a recycled Vital MX moran?

I'm with you on this subject Justin. The best "worst" thread title recently was Why? If you aren't articulate enough to come up with a representative thread title I am not going to bother to read the thread.
Come on bud if you think my 82 post mean anything about my time being here then maybe I guess I'm just a 25 year novice to the sport too. Sorry my bad. I ruined your lunch break and wasted time that you will never get back. I'm sorry again my bad. I'll go sit in the vital forum veteran corner of the room and stare at the wall.

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