Crated KTM's

Markee wrote:

I think getting a bike in a crate is awesome, it should be a service to the customer to expedite the sale for time saved at...

I think getting a bike in a crate is awesome, it should be a service to the customer to expedite the sale for time saved at the dealer and money saved to the customer. Especially on a vehicle like a non DOT compliant machine. That simple. We just got a 2015 250 sx in a crate, a really great experience for the guy getting is first new bike at 29 years old.

The business model of dealers and outside sales reps is out dated to me. I worked at a high end Cycling shop for 13 years. The internet changed everything, customers were no longer land locked.

Bike manufactures like cannondale, trek, specialized, etc.. had similar stipulations to NOT sell there complete new bikes on the internet. But other brands on the rise did.

We would see more and more and more people coming in for service with bikes they purchased online. The boss man couldn't take it, a lot of times would tow the line like motodork, and I get the emotion of it, but running off potential customers didn't do any good.

He never found a way to change with the times, after 22 years, the doors just closed.

RMT wrote:

DOT or not does not keep someone from suing everyone up the food chain when they crash and claim the bike was not put together properly...

DOT or not does not keep someone from suing everyone up the food chain when they crash and claim the bike was not put together properly. The manufacturers would love to sell you a motorcycle in a crate, hell, they would love for you to back your truck up to the factory door and load all the parts for you to assemble the bike yourselves, who needs an assembly line. But because wonderful consumers out there want to point fingers and blame everyone else for there misfortune with lawsuits, a pre-delivery inspection (assembly) form must be signed by the dealer. Nobody is saying you cant then take the bike apart and ship it to wherever you want.

I bet if you looked closely at your bike shops business you would find many different ways that took them down. Some guys just let a business appear to go out of business because they don't have the sack to close and lay off all the employees. Unless they filed BK, I doubt it closed because they didn't have the money to keep going. So you are saying that ordering everything from Amazon is the wave of the future? Everything is a race to the bottom right? Do you think Harley Davidson dealers deliver bikes in crates when sold?

Jarid332 wrote:

I bought groceries this morning. I should peobably return the stuff I got on sale and ask for full price.

Jarid332 wrote:

I bought groceries this morning. I should peobably return the stuff I got on sale and ask for full price.

RMT wrote:

Actually you proved a point. You shopped locally because for some reason, it was worth it to you. You probably could have saved more money having...

Actually you proved a point. You shopped locally because for some reason, it was worth it to you. You probably could have saved more money having that food shipped in from China.

Motodork wrote:

do you hear how pompous you sound trying to save money on a dirtbike that will loss its value like a rock, sound like a chick...

do you hear how pompous you sound trying to save money on a dirtbike that will loss its value like a rock, sound like a chick wanting a deal on a hand bag. Most guys working at a shop will never be able to afford to buy one cash, and work hard for 10 bucks an hour.

swatdoc wrote:

Hey guys I have decided to buy a 2016 350 SXF. I'm in Hawaii and I'm being told they won't have the '16's here until October...

Hey guys I have decided to buy a 2016 350 SXF.
I'm in Hawaii and I'm being told they won't have the '16's here until October. That, and they don't deal at all, plus charge you $500 to assemble the bike.
Sooooo, I'd like to see about buying a crated bike and just shipping it here. It's only about $400 to get a crated bike here from Oakland, CA.
Does anyone know any dealers that will make me a good deal on a crated bike?
Thanks

Motodork wrote:

So I can afford to live in Hawaii, I can afford to get one of the 1st 2016's, I can afford a KTM, but wait I...

So I can afford to live in Hawaii, I can afford to get one of the 1st 2016's, I can afford a KTM, but wait I want a deal? Holy shit dirtbikers are tools. You sound like the guy in the bentley wanting a price break for mounting his crf50 tire. I hope one day all of your customers end up being total jackholes like what people in the dirt bike world have ended up dealing with.

h&m_cycle wrote:

Good friend wanted a Kubota tractor, local guy is 5 miles away, Friend ended up buying from a dealer right around 100 miles away. Saved $1,400...

Good friend wanted a Kubota tractor, local guy is 5 miles away, Friend ended up buying from a dealer right around
100 miles away. Saved $1,400... Local dealer found out & told my friend, "good luck driving all that way getting parts
for it"... I guess you're going to lose either way...

Juss wrote:

Contact Valley Cycle in Bakersfield Ca,. They maybe able to help you.. http://www.valleycycleandmotorsports.com/ BTW I'm going to Oahu for a week in July. Any places I...

Contact Valley Cycle in Bakersfield Ca,. They maybe able to help you.. http://www.valleycycleandmotorsports.com/

BTW I'm going to Oahu for a week in July. Any places I could rent an Enduro to tour the island?

bvm111 wrote:

I have heard that Munn KTM will with out any issues and ship it for you too, send them an email and see what they can...

I have heard that Munn KTM will with out any issues and ship it for you too, send them an email and see what they can do for you!

Madmax31 wrote:

Met Chip Munn at HiPoint a few years back. Really good dude. Can't go wrong giving him business.

Markee wrote:

You are making a lot of assumptions. But the "family and pay their bills" part can be said for the customer as well. Like my dad...

You are making a lot of assumptions. But the "family and pay their bills" part can be said for the customer as well.

Like my dad told me "when you buy something, its your job to save money, the sellers job to make money, a fair deal is in the usually in the middle"

BTW, the original post was about a timeline not necessarily a bottomline. If you could possibly get a 2016 months sooner delivered at your door, some of you would wait to support the families of the local dealership?

He's supporting the families of KTM first bros

Motodork wrote:

Not if you can afford to ride a dirtbike, it is kinda like wanting a deal on a Rolex, it is a luxury, if you can't...

Not if you can afford to ride a dirtbike, it is kinda like wanting a deal on a Rolex, it is a luxury, if you can't afford it buy a timex, but don't be a dick because you can't get a deal on a Rolex. I have no problem with timeline, this post was all about price, that is why he saved 8k on his charger. Will everyone that thinks I am a dick just take a moment and think of it like this. Ask your grandfather if in the 1950's when wanted a new pair of levis if it is was ok to go down to the local store to try on a few pairs on and figure out his sizing so he could order them from a catalog.He will say no, in fact he will probably tell you that the store owner would not like it at all and may punch you in the face for it, and no police officer would even consider arresting the owner, the cop would just look at the guy and say " well you shouldn't be a dick".

seth505 wrote:

Dude, you're probably correct on the assessment of the 1950s but it's 2015. Businesses that could have thrived locally in 1950 would not survive today without...

Dude, you're probably correct on the assessment of the 1950s but it's 2015. Businesses that could have thrived locally in 1950 would not survive today without thinking more globally, it is a completely different ball game.

I still don't grasp what your issue with the market is, if a Rolex is being sold for $22,000 and I go in and offer 4,000, they can tell me to fuck off. They can all stick to the price of 22,000 or one dealer can choose to say they'll sell it for 17,000. In the end, all of them can tell the customer to eat a dick if they feel like it and know they can get the full 22,000 from someone else.

Juss wrote:

Contact Valley Cycle in Bakersfield Ca,. They maybe able to help you.. http://www.valleycycleandmotorsports.com/ BTW I'm going to Oahu for a week in July. Any places I...

Contact Valley Cycle in Bakersfield Ca,. They maybe able to help you.. http://www.valleycycleandmotorsports.com/

BTW I'm going to Oahu for a week in July. Any places I could rent an Enduro to tour the island?

MotoMalyDad wrote:

Is Brento still working there ? I used to stop at his old dealer on my way to the Sierras .

seth505 wrote:

Dude, you're probably correct on the assessment of the 1950s but it's 2015. Businesses that could have thrived locally in 1950 would not survive today without...

Dude, you're probably correct on the assessment of the 1950s but it's 2015. Businesses that could have thrived locally in 1950 would not survive today without thinking more globally, it is a completely different ball game.

I still don't grasp what your issue with the market is, if a Rolex is being sold for $22,000 and I go in and offer 4,000, they can tell me to fuck off. They can all stick to the price of 22,000 or one dealer can choose to say they'll sell it for 17,000. In the end, all of them can tell the customer to eat a dick if they feel like it and know they can get the full 22,000 from someone else.

Motodork wrote:

I guess what you are missing is that I used 1950's as an example but it was that way for 200 yrs in this country, now...

I guess what you are missing is that I used 1950's as an example but it was that way for 200 yrs in this country, now for the last 25 we have done it Swatdoc's way,and how has that worked out for us in this no respect for anyone world. I understand the if he can get a discount thing, what I am saying is it was considered rude and pompous to ask for a discount of a luxury item from the start of this country up until about 25 yrs ago. This makes me think of a customer that told me it was part of his culture to haggle so much and re-haggle after you have agreed on a deal and shook hands. I told him that part of American culture was to pay a fair price for a good job, and if his culture was so good why did he want to come to America, that was 20 years ago and he has been one of my best customers every since because he too would like to be able to send his kids to college and live in a half way nice house. Crazy concept I know

swatdoc wrote:

Hey guys I have decided to buy a 2016 350 SXF. I'm in Hawaii and I'm being told they won't have the '16's here until October...

Hey guys I have decided to buy a 2016 350 SXF.
I'm in Hawaii and I'm being told they won't have the '16's here until October. That, and they don't deal at all, plus charge you $500 to assemble the bike.
Sooooo, I'd like to see about buying a crated bike and just shipping it here. It's only about $400 to get a crated bike here from Oakland, CA.
Does anyone know any dealers that will make me a good deal on a crated bike?
Thanks

Motodork wrote:

So I can afford to live in Hawaii, I can afford to get one of the 1st 2016's, I can afford a KTM, but wait I...

So I can afford to live in Hawaii, I can afford to get one of the 1st 2016's, I can afford a KTM, but wait I want a deal? Holy shit dirtbikers are tools. You sound like the guy in the bentley wanting a price break for mounting his crf50 tire. I hope one day all of your customers end up being total jackholes like what people in the dirt bike world have ended up dealing with.

Motodork wrote:

I guess what you are missing is that I used 1950's as an example but it was that way for 200 yrs in this country, now...

I guess what you are missing is that I used 1950's as an example but it was that way for 200 yrs in this country, now for the last 25 we have done it Swatdoc's way,and how has that worked out for us in this no respect for anyone world. I understand the if he can get a discount thing, what I am saying is it was considered rude and pompous to ask for a discount of a luxury item from the start of this country up until about 25 yrs ago. This makes me think of a customer that told me it was part of his culture to haggle so much and re-haggle after you have agreed on a deal and shook hands. I told him that part of American culture was to pay a fair price for a good job, and if his culture was so good why did he want to come to America, that was 20 years ago and he has been one of my best customers every since because he too would like to be able to send his kids to college and live in a half way nice house. Crazy concept I know

machine wrote:

There's a reason people that have money, have money. Most work hard and are very good with their money by saving and making smart financial decisions.

machine wrote:

There's a reason people that have money, have money. Most work hard and are very good with their money by saving and making smart financial decisions.

mx317 wrote:

For sure and like my Dad used to say "a rich man counts his pennies, while a poor man counts only his dollars."

seth505 wrote:

Dude, you're probably correct on the assessment of the 1950s but it's 2015. Businesses that could have thrived locally in 1950 would not survive today without...

Dude, you're probably correct on the assessment of the 1950s but it's 2015. Businesses that could have thrived locally in 1950 would not survive today without thinking more globally, it is a completely different ball game.

I still don't grasp what your issue with the market is, if a Rolex is being sold for $22,000 and I go in and offer 4,000, they can tell me to fuck off. They can all stick to the price of 22,000 or one dealer can choose to say they'll sell it for 17,000. In the end, all of them can tell the customer to eat a dick if they feel like it and know they can get the full 22,000 from someone else.

Motodork wrote:

I guess what you are missing is that I used 1950's as an example but it was that way for 200 yrs in this country, now...

I guess what you are missing is that I used 1950's as an example but it was that way for 200 yrs in this country, now for the last 25 we have done it Swatdoc's way,and how has that worked out for us in this no respect for anyone world. I understand the if he can get a discount thing, what I am saying is it was considered rude and pompous to ask for a discount of a luxury item from the start of this country up until about 25 yrs ago. This makes me think of a customer that told me it was part of his culture to haggle so much and re-haggle after you have agreed on a deal and shook hands. I told him that part of American culture was to pay a fair price for a good job, and if his culture was so good why did he want to come to America, that was 20 years ago and he has been one of my best customers every since because he too would like to be able to send his kids to college and live in a half way nice house. Crazy concept I know

Markee wrote:

That sure is a nice car sir. "Well if you work hard, stay late, over come all obstacles in your way and never quit. You can...

That sure is a nice car sir. "Well if you work hard, stay late, over come all obstacles in your way and never quit. You can buy me another one next year. "

Motodork wrote:

I guess what you are missing is that I used 1950's as an example but it was that way for 200 yrs in this country, now...

I guess what you are missing is that I used 1950's as an example but it was that way for 200 yrs in this country, now for the last 25 we have done it Swatdoc's way,and how has that worked out for us in this no respect for anyone world. I understand the if he can get a discount thing, what I am saying is it was considered rude and pompous to ask for a discount of a luxury item from the start of this country up until about 25 yrs ago. This makes me think of a customer that told me it was part of his culture to haggle so much and re-haggle after you have agreed on a deal and shook hands. I told him that part of American culture was to pay a fair price for a good job, and if his culture was so good why did he want to come to America, that was 20 years ago and he has been one of my best customers every since because he too would like to be able to send his kids to college and live in a half way nice house. Crazy concept I know

machine wrote:

So when your getting a new job, do you just accept what they give you without negotiation?...It can also be said that the reason all the...

So when your getting a new job, do you just accept what they give you without negotiation?...It can also be said that the reason all the jobs went to China, is that we asked for too much money as well. Negotiation and supply and demand will always be around and there's nothing wrong with it. It's part of being a free market society.

Motodork wrote:

I guess what you are missing is that I used 1950's as an example but it was that way for 200 yrs in this country, now...

I guess what you are missing is that I used 1950's as an example but it was that way for 200 yrs in this country, now for the last 25 we have done it Swatdoc's way,and how has that worked out for us in this no respect for anyone world. I understand the if he can get a discount thing, what I am saying is it was considered rude and pompous to ask for a discount of a luxury item from the start of this country up until about 25 yrs ago. This makes me think of a customer that told me it was part of his culture to haggle so much and re-haggle after you have agreed on a deal and shook hands. I told him that part of American culture was to pay a fair price for a good job, and if his culture was so good why did he want to come to America, that was 20 years ago and he has been one of my best customers every since because he too would like to be able to send his kids to college and live in a half way nice house. Crazy concept I know