Presenting the 2016 KTMs

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FI2T 5/19/2015 1:02am
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Looks like It's official. Im still riding the old blue 2t. I was ready to go buy a new Orange bike. Even though the bigbore2t rumors didnt pan out, big ups to KTM on improving on almost all of their bikes!
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Motofinne 5/19/2015 1:14am
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No update on the sx250, does this mean that it will have a MASSIVE update in 2017? EFI anyone?

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F150Motocrosser 5/19/2015 5:50am
5/19/2015 5:50am
Great link/content there GuyB

If I know KTM marketing, I'm sure some great videos are on the way that really go over all the new bells and whistles in great detail, like the new launch control etc
F150Motocrosser 5/19/2015 5:51am
5/19/2015 5:51am
Cool to see KTM taking a play out of Italian Husqvara's playbook on the rigid black lower shroud design..
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Markopolo400 5/19/2015 5:52am
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I would bet they had a big issue with development late in the game (Either suspension or engine) and they would exclude each other from production if one had an issue. For there to be pictures out of a bike racing the Austrian nationals and not be released...SOMETHING had to happen.

From a MFG point, it sucks too, they will spend tons of time learning to build the new models, and have to build one old style model too. But to KTMs credit, on their website they basically called a spade a spade, and flat out said the 250SX is the same as last year in the model description lol.

"For MY 2016 the 250 SX features detail improvements and new colors and graphics, but basically retains the same chassis and engine specification as MY 2015."
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"The KTM SX models are fitted with a revolutionary new and super-lightweight WP fork, a 48 mm USD air-sprung fork developed by WP Suspension in close collaboration with KTM. It is a split fork with separate functions for each fork leg. The damping functions are on the right side, whereas the air spring is in the left. The left leg features a capsuled air cartridge. This air spring is easy to adjust to any rider weight via a single air valve and a standard fork air pump. The right fork leg integrates a completely new damping cartridge to fit single damping leg requirements, and the damping can be adjusted to the track conditions or the rider’s preferences with a twist of a dial. The new fork with approximately 300 mm travel has outstanding response and excellent, very consistent damping characteristics, while also with a reduced weight of 1.4 kg compared to its predecessor."
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mulletman 5/19/2015 8:04am
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The first link shows a 38mm carb on the 250.........
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What was KTM testing then? They clearly have been testing a new 2 stroke that has the new ribbed clutch covers. And although I guessed/ wished that the bike was a big bore, clearly the expansion chamber was not from a 150cc bike!

I'm a bit confused. Is there something else being shown that hasn't been released yet? Or did we spot 2017 MY 2 strokes being publicly tested?
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nytsmaC 5/19/2015 9:13am
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I wonder why they went to the oversquare bore/stroke on the 150? To save production costs and share cases with the 125?

Will be interesting to see if it performs as well as the 15. It had been touted before that the 58mmx54mm heavier piston configuration was leaving a lot on the table in terms of revs.

Nice to see KTM really pushing forward, hopefully the land of the rising sun steps up with something exciting to fire back with. KTM was already killing them before.
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Superdave19 5/19/2015 9:17am
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...MSRP's posted yet? Maybe I missed them.
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cslacker 5/19/2015 9:28am
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tek14 wrote:
No.
KTM 2016 250f weights empty 99,9kg and that is same as Yamaha 2015 250f.
KTM 450 weights couple kg more.
They claim their weight is with all fluids, no fuel. According to the specs on the Vital homepage the weights for the US versions are:

150- 196.7 lbs
250f- 220.2 lbs
350f- 223.5 lbs
450f- 224.7 lbs

The yz250f (and crf250) is 222 lbs with no fuel according to dirt rider.

The Euro versions should be about 3-4 lbs lighter each bike due to the air forks.
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gjbruny 5/19/2015 9:32am
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cslacker wrote:
They claim their weight is with all fluids, no fuel. According to the specs on the Vital homepage the weights for the US versions are: 150-...
They claim their weight is with all fluids, no fuel. According to the specs on the Vital homepage the weights for the US versions are:

150- 196.7 lbs
250f- 220.2 lbs
350f- 223.5 lbs
450f- 224.7 lbs

The yz250f (and crf250) is 222 lbs with no fuel according to dirt rider.

The Euro versions should be about 3-4 lbs lighter each bike due to the air forks.
the air fork would have made the 350 and possibly the 450 illegal to race per the weight restrictions..... that is insane!..... add a slip on silencer to the 450 and it would for sure be under the weight limit..... all without even adding any titanium or carbon fiber. guess the AMA is going to have to rethink the weight limits?
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ginger969 5/19/2015 9:41am
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Sorry for the stupid question...BUT is this 2016 better than the 2015 factory editions??? If so, are they going to continue making factory editions half way through the year? I don't see why they don't just do it in one bike so we can have shootouts with it and stop making it so dang difficult for consumers to decide haha
Matt Fisher 5/19/2015 9:45am
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gjbruny wrote:
the air fork would have made the 350 and possibly the 450 illegal to race per the weight restrictions..... that is insane!..... add a slip on...
the air fork would have made the 350 and possibly the 450 illegal to race per the weight restrictions..... that is insane!..... add a slip on silencer to the 450 and it would for sure be under the weight limit..... all without even adding any titanium or carbon fiber. guess the AMA is going to have to rethink the weight limits?
Only if the Big 4 start making bikes as light as KTM. So no.
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gjbruny 5/19/2015 9:50am
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Matt Fisher wrote:
Only if the Big 4 start making bikes as light as KTM. So no.
i suppose you could always bolt on a horn to add weight and let lappers know to get the hell out of the way. lol
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2smoker 5/19/2015 9:54am
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d394 wrote:
As a 250 2 stroke guy I'm upset the 2016 didn't get the updates. I understand losing the orange frame, my 2015 looks thrashed after 27...
As a 250 2 stroke guy I'm upset the 2016 didn't get the updates. I understand losing the orange frame, my 2015 looks thrashed after 27 hours, frame chips are easily visible on the orange.
The orange frame does show the beating it takes, but I think these bikes look soooo much better with it vs the grey or black frames.
I put on a KTM Powerparts skidplate when my bike was new, and it's really helped to keep the chips to a minimum.

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Zesiger 112 5/19/2015 9:58am
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These bikes are sweet! Have any of you checked out the 50 and 65? They have the new plastic too!!
As far as the air fork.. I would imagine they will use the UK as a testing ground before bringing it to the USA next year. They have done this before. Also they might do it on the Husqvarna like they have done before as a testing area.
Also maybe they are holding back on the air fork to keep everyone who just bought a factory edition happy.
As for the SX250 maybe the test bike we saw wasn't quite where they wanted. And if that's the case the I applaud KTM on waiting to perfect the bike instead of delivering an unprepared bike on a deadline.
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gjbruny 5/19/2015 10:06am
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the weight thing kind of got me thinking..... what if they had perfected the PDS..... and what if something like the smart carb truly worked as well as fuel injection like they have promised..... we legitimately could have had a sub 210lb 450 production bike with the air fork. pretty amazing!..... and how much lighter is that air shock?
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nytsmaC 5/19/2015 10:52am
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How light would the 450 be with PDS, air forks and no battery/e-start? Toss in an air shock for good measure and yeah you'd be close to 210lbs.
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gjbruny 5/19/2015 10:57am
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nytsmaC wrote:
How light would the 450 be with PDS, air forks and no battery/e-start? Toss in an air shock for good measure and yeah you'd be close...
How light would the 450 be with PDS, air forks and no battery/e-start? Toss in an air shock for good measure and yeah you'd be close to 210lbs.
224 without fuel right now and a sprink fork.... air fork is supposed to be 4lbs lighter so lets call it 220. thats what it weighs this year across the pond. subtract 5lbs for the linkage and another 4-5lbs for FI and we are already at 210ish..... WITH estart. depending what the air shock weighs bike would be well below 210.

we are talking about approaching 10lbs lighter than 250 smokers.
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gjbruny 5/19/2015 11:04am
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they could legitimately add the PDS back to the 450 XCF, keep FI and with their current suspension technology (air front and rear), make the 450XCF lighter than the SXF by a significant margin and not have to worry about weight restrictions. bike could actually weigh in the 215 range if the air shock and air fork made it onto a PDS line of bikes without the bigger stators and lights.

i would buy that bike in a 350 version (with the XCF motor). i loved my '13 350xcf.... can't imagine it 20lbs lighter.
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RPM68 5/19/2015 11:15am
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racer x is saying the 2016 450 has 62 HP!!! OMG!!!
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Motofinne 5/19/2015 11:46am
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AMA need to take a look at the weight limits. That's a fact. What happens when KTM start using the air shock on production bikes?

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gjbruny 5/19/2015 11:51am
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RPM68 wrote:
racer x is saying the 2016 450 has 62 HP!!! OMG!!!
yeah and the 350 is making 58hp!!!!!
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MXD 5/19/2015 12:20pm
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When are the 450's going to be available?
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Kawasaki572 5/19/2015 12:21pm
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nytsmaC wrote:
How light would the 450 be with PDS, air forks and no battery/e-start? Toss in an air shock for good measure and yeah you'd be close...
How light would the 450 be with PDS, air forks and no battery/e-start? Toss in an air shock for good measure and yeah you'd be close to 210lbs.
gjbruny wrote:
224 without fuel right now and a sprink fork.... air fork is supposed to be 4lbs lighter so lets call it 220. thats what it weighs...
224 without fuel right now and a sprink fork.... air fork is supposed to be 4lbs lighter so lets call it 220. thats what it weighs this year across the pond. subtract 5lbs for the linkage and another 4-5lbs for FI and we are already at 210ish..... WITH estart. depending what the air shock weighs bike would be well below 210.

we are talking about approaching 10lbs lighter than 250 smokers.
10 lbs lighter than 250 2 strokes?? The 16' ktm 250 2 stroke weighs 95.9 kg (211.4 lbs) without fuel, and it hasn't been touched for the 16' models. That 210 lb 450 would only be 1 pound lighter than the old 2 stroke, but if ktm came out with the all new 250 2 stroke just like the 125/150, i'd bet it would have loss 6.3 lbs or higher just like the 125/150, and this is without the air fork. The new air fork is 4 lbs lighter i believe, so we're looking at maybe around 10 lbs lighter (201 lbs) if ktm had made a new 250 2 stroke with air forks, that means the 2 stroke would be nearly 20 pounds lighter than the new 450 with air forks. These new 4 strokes are light, but not 2 stroke light Tongue . Ktm have made a new 250 2 stroke, but not sure why they're not releasing it.
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GouldRacing25 5/19/2015 12:55pm
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ALOT of people are forgetting that the AMA weighs a bike 100% ready to go. Which includes gas!
Gas roughly weighs 8lbs per gallon. 2 gallon tank = 16lbs
250f= 236lbs
350f= 239.5lbs
450f= 240.7lbs
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Kawasaki572 5/19/2015 1:13pm
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GouldRacing25 wrote:
ALOT of people are forgetting that the AMA weighs a bike 100% ready to go. Which includes gas! Gas roughly weighs 8lbs per gallon. 2 gallon...
ALOT of people are forgetting that the AMA weighs a bike 100% ready to go. Which includes gas!
Gas roughly weighs 8lbs per gallon. 2 gallon tank = 16lbs
250f= 236lbs
350f= 239.5lbs
450f= 240.7lbs
You're saying RD's 450 is 220 lbs with a full tank? I thought it was 220 without fuel... That's insane.

Isn't it 6 lbs per gallon? I guess it depends on the temp.

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