Pussification of Moto

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86honda 5/17/2015 2:03pm
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Yea its been pussafide for sure. All theses fancy boys with thier helmets and what not. I mean bone up fags its a mans sport.
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The pussification has continued for years now. The 90s and early 2000s had tracks much gnarlier than what we see today. Bike prices went up, local race attendance went down, tracks got easier to better suit the larger C classes. Now we have a bunch of C level tracks with bikes that allow these riders to jump anything.

Now we have people saying tracks are too dangerous, resulting in more injuries. Unfuckingbelievable!
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ill add my two cents to the pussification of moto, SMOOTH PRACTICE TRACKS we are all getting acustom to watered and groomed tracks to pactice on and there are professional practicers out there that bitch to the track operator that its to rough, i raced last weekend and did terrible, i came off the track and told my buddy, " i forgot race tracks have real bumps"
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MX114 wrote:
Been racing since early 90's. In my mini days there was twice as many at the local races. Probably lots of various factors contributing to the...
Been racing since early 90's. In my mini days there was twice as many at the local races. Probably lots of various factors contributing to the lack of riders now. I raced every Sunday for years and years. A couple years ago had a bad Loretta Lynn's experience after I had just lost my dad to cancer and went thru allot in the same time frame. Took a break to get my head straight right after that trip and went thru allot of hard times. Got it back together and Last fall got a new bike and started back up. Realized Moto is truly the only thing in life that never lets me down and Is always there. It just bums me out when peeps bitch about jumps or bike sizes. Enjoy the sport for what it is and have fun! If the promoters want to make big bucks and the factory's want to stick with 450's then so be it. Its cool to have an opinion and Im down with it, but don't cry about it. I know I'm bitching about bitching but guess I'm fed up with the negativity. Maybe i need a vital getaway haha. Back to enjoying the beach now
Well said for a bitcher to say in a forum bitching about others bitching.

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Low Flying Duck 5/17/2015 3:19pm
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Gotta say Its lame to see all the bitching about big jumps, 450's being too much, rough tracks, ect... Like anything else moto evolves and becomes...
Gotta say Its lame to see all the bitching about big jumps, 450's being too much, rough tracks, ect...

Like anything else moto evolves and becomes more modern, and the risk vs reward increases each year. I swear these people who bitch all the time need to re evaluate if there in the right sport or not. Motocross is dangerous and always will be. People will always want to push the limits of whats next. If you are going to bitch and moan about the new age of moto then go play golf of take up kite flying. That step up jump at Hangtown discussion is a perfect example of how people like to pussify things just like the rest of the politically correct goons out there. Moto isn't for the timid. Let moto stay moto please!! Big jumps, fast bikes, and everything else new Is progression, not regression.
Thank you. This^
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Fuck yeah!!!!! Bunch of fucking pussy's!!!! I'm seriously considering petitioning DC to add shark pits and flaming rings to jump through...
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MX114 5/17/2015 3:36pm
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Dirtysmile56 wrote:
Fuck yeah!!!!! Bunch of fucking pussy's!!!! I'm seriously considering petitioning DC to add shark pits and flaming rings to jump through...
Now your talking lol. All kidding aside not trying to be a bitcher about bitching but I guess I am, and didn't mean to come across wrong. It's just stupid to me that people are so upset about the fly step up at Hangtown. Never been in a race or position that I absolutely had to jump anything. Yes it may hinder your result if you do or don't jump something but it's the riders choice to decide. Simple as that. I shoulda prolly kept my 2 cents to myself but Its all good.
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Fuck yeah!!!!! Bunch of fucking pussy's!!!! I'm seriously considering petitioning DC to add shark pits and flaming rings to jump through...
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Now your talking lol. All kidding aside not trying to be a bitcher about bitching but I guess I am, and didn't mean to come across...
Now your talking lol. All kidding aside not trying to be a bitcher about bitching but I guess I am, and didn't mean to come across wrong. It's just stupid to me that people are so upset about the fly step up at Hangtown. Never been in a race or position that I absolutely had to jump anything. Yes it may hinder your result if you do or don't jump something but it's the riders choice to decide. Simple as that. I shoulda prolly kept my 2 cents to myself but Its all good.
I'm just joking around.... I get where you are coming from. I do have to say though, if I were the riders and having been to a lot of supercrosses and outdoor races. I feel bad for them, some of the shit that gets thrown at them that's called a track? I'd be bummed. Yeah, listen guys we need you to huck this ridiculous this or that. Oh, and it bites you and you get hurt, your career,income everything is fucked!!!!! It's a risky way to make a living but Jesus! I thought the step up was good and it was cool to finally see a jump that the lites class couldn't do. I did not envy those guys having to ride that rough track though.....
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The 150 jump at Hangtown looked to be a fairly safe jump for its size but I only seen it on TV.
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Hut wrote:
The 150 jump at Hangtown looked to be a fairly safe jump for its size but I only seen it on TV.
I agree that it was a fairly safe jump.
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Dissident wrote:
well..the cost of 4-strokes is what makes them lame, IMO

it is killing the sport, whether you want to admit it or not
A 450 for the average guy is almost matinence free.
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MX114 5/17/2015 4:29pm
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Not for nothing but to add on the discussion. I've said it before but I wish Baja Acres in Michigan could get a shot at a round. Thats a legitimate track with all the challenges needed for a pro rider and awesome potential for good racing. Not too mention it's a sand track and gets unreal rough! I had never been there till a LL regional one time. A friend warned me before I left but didn't know till I rode a Moto late in the day there. It was insane and never ridden anything like it. Was an animal but made for exciting racing and a good time. Parking is a question mark but there's lots of open land it seems around the area. Maybe a lot could be added or a way to work people?
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be afraid, be very afraid...
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Hey what is the next National you will be at? GH for me plus at least one more. Be great to bench race in person. Thank...
Hey what is the next National you will be at? GH for me plus at least one more. Be great to bench race in person. Thank you.
Washougal for me unless something comes up. It will depend on when my mother passes.
After any major boom sales will go down. It does not mean something is dying.
I'm at a local race every weekend.

I don't want you to act like I'm "dodging" your responses or being disrespectful. It's hard for me to keep up with every single post and reply.
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I agree with the OP to a point, but every other motorsport has taken precautions to improve safety including reducing performance of the machinery. "If you can't do the jump, dont jump it" only works for people who jump the jump, or are smart enough to know their limit. Also, while racing, shit happens. Therefore, the tracks can certainly be made safer. I honestly want to see these guys on off cambers and other difficult terrain that seems to have mostly disappeared from this sport, especially on the local level. Jump, turn, jump, turn. Gets kinda boring. Don't give me that, "you can't jump it" shit either. I can't remember the last time I didn't do a jump I've encountered. I just don't think there needs to be so many or anything bigger than about 120' on any track, am or pro.
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RealityCheck 5/17/2015 5:26pm
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Dissident wrote:
well..the cost of 4-strokes is what makes them lame, IMO

it is killing the sport, whether you want to admit it or not
You started your post with "So you prefer a bike that's harder to ride?". Easy to ride is not the same as fun to ride.

I hear Honda XR250s are really easy to ride, so if easy-to-ride is what you're after, you should pick one up. Better yet, go full easy and play motocross video games instead of riding.

I, along with probably 99.9% of the people on this forum, ride/race motocross because it's fun and challenging. I long ago gave up any aspirations (delusions is probably more accurate) I had about making a living racing motocross, so to me its all about fun. However, racing isn't much fun when you're outgunned to the tune of 200cc, so I have several bikes.

The first, my race bike, was built to be an effective, idiot-proof race weapon. It's a 2014 KX450 with full Ohlins suspension (include MX-Tech Huck valves), Rekcluse Core EXP 3.0 auto clutch, Ride Engineering 21.5mm offset triple clamps and shock linkage, oversized front rotor, stainless steel brake lines, etc., etc. It is fast, extremely easy to ride, and forgiving when I start making mistakes near the end of a long moto.

The second, my previous race bike (now my backup/practice bike) is an '02 CR250 with an '00 CR250 engine, bored to 265cc and ported by Eric Gorr, a PWK Air Styker carb, '07 suspension setup by Factory Connection, etc. In my efforts to make it as easy to ride as possible, I'm running a 15oz flywheel weight. It's very 4 stroke like - tractable and easy to ride. However, it just doesn't have the stones to hang with 450s in deep loam or sand.

The third is a '96 CR250, rebuilt from the ground up to be better than new. It's got newer Showa Twin Chamber forks and the suspension was revalved by Factory Connection. It's got an '00 cylinder/head and ignition, and a 10oz flywheel weight, Magura hydralic clutch, oversized front brake, stainless steel brake lines, etc. It's more fun than a barrel o' monkeys.

Summary: the '96 is the least effective race bike, but is by far the funnest to ride. The '02 falls somewhere between the KX and the '96. The KX is amazing: fast, easy to ride, very forgiving, and boring as shit.
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urbanlift707 5/17/2015 5:34pm
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MX114 wrote:
Gotta say Its lame to see all the bitching about big jumps, 450's being too much, rough tracks, ect... Like anything else moto evolves and becomes...
Gotta say Its lame to see all the bitching about big jumps, 450's being too much, rough tracks, ect...

Like anything else moto evolves and becomes more modern, and the risk vs reward increases each year. I swear these people who bitch all the time need to re evaluate if there in the right sport or not. Motocross is dangerous and always will be. People will always want to push the limits of whats next. If you are going to bitch and moan about the new age of moto then go play golf of take up kite flying. That step up jump at Hangtown discussion is a perfect example of how people like to pussify things just like the rest of the politically correct goons out there. Moto isn't for the timid. Let moto stay moto please!! Big jumps, fast bikes, and everything else new Is progression, not regression.
Pretty much couldn't agree more, except I also want to bitch about the people bitching over the gp's vs ama and two strokes vs four. Just enjoy Moto cause if fucking awesome.
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Short sighted thread of the day right here

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The podium guys should have a fist fight after the race, see who the real winner is. This racing stuff is for p*****
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The podium guys should have a fist fight after the race, see who the real winner is. This racing stuff is for p*****
Nipple twisting showdown
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Moto is awesome and maybe I am short sighted. Prolly took this jump as a small example of a trend on here lately. Its just that %99 of us will never be a pro rider or be pressured to jump that kind of jump in a race so there's no need for us to be negative about it. it's rad to see the worlds best challenged and until they stand up and say that kind of section is just too much, then who are we to hate on it.
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TwoStroke_857 5/17/2015 6:27pm
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Hut wrote:
The 150 jump at Hangtown looked to be a fairly safe jump for its size but I only seen it on TV.
The Rock wrote:
I agree that it was a fairly safe jump.
Jump seemed pretty safe, all things considered. Now if you want to talk about gnarly jumps .....



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MXGooner 5/17/2015 6:40pm
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Crush wrote:
Short sighted thread of the day right here
Can you elaborate..
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Dissident wrote:
well..the cost of 4-strokes is what makes them lame, IMO

it is killing the sport, whether you want to admit it or not
They've been the bike of choice for over 10 years. The sport has not gone downhill in that time, so I'm not sure how they're "killing the sport."
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Anyone who uses the word "pussification" is just a douchebag.
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Anyone who uses the word "pussification" is just a douchebag.
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MX114 5/17/2015 7:27pm
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ChrisB10 wrote:
Anyone who uses the word "pussification" is just a douchebag.
Same could be said about a "nut swinger". RV man crush
Lawrence929 5/17/2015 7:53pm
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Dissident wrote:
well..the cost of 4-strokes is what makes them lame, IMO

it is killing the sport, whether you want to admit it or not
ButteryWaffles wrote:
They've been the bike of choice for over 10 years. The sport has not gone downhill in that time, so I'm not sure how they're "killing...
They've been the bike of choice for over 10 years. The sport has not gone downhill in that time, so I'm not sure how they're "killing the sport."
"bike of choice"

You ride what you are paid to ride. Then little dorks want to ride what you are paid to ride.

Factory Rider 101.

I ride circles around a few of my buddies on my 150sx, while they are newer to riding and would rather PUT PUT around on a 250F or 450 because they are "easier to ride" and "why do all the supercross guys ride 4 strokes?"

Factory riders learned the real skills on 2 stokes via mini cycles.

I want to see a kid ride ONLY 4 strokes his whole life and turn pro. Laughing

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burn1986 5/17/2015 8:00pm
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RealityCheck wrote:
I pretty much agree with everything you're saying, but found your inclusion of the complaint that "450's being too much" to be somewhat ironic. 4 strokes...
I pretty much agree with everything you're saying, but found your inclusion of the complaint that "450's being too much" to be somewhat ironic. 4 strokes, especially 450s, represent the ultimate pussification of motocross. The only reason 4 strokes are so popular is because they're easier to ride than 2-strokes. Period. If that's not pussification, I don't know what it is.
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So you prefer a bike that's harder to ride? An easier bike ride fast is more fun and what everybody wants.. that's why so many guys...
So you prefer a bike that's harder to ride? An easier bike ride fast is more fun and what everybody wants.. that's why so many guys want a two stroke with injection, more flywheel and Ohlins suspension.. cause it's easier to ride fast.


I agree with the OP though, I remember going to a national before the moto boards and being pumped to see a new huge obstacle! No complaints!

Now, if that same obstacle was at my local track and I had to try and jump it to win the Vet Int trophy, I'd be whining like a bitch..lol
The 2-stroke crowd only said direct injection and all that to try and give a desperate argument to save the 2-stroke. But we al want the regular 2-stroke.
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Niloz 5/17/2015 8:10pm
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MX114 wrote:
Gotta say Its lame to see all the bitching about big jumps, 450's being too much, rough tracks, ect... Like anything else moto evolves and becomes...
Gotta say Its lame to see all the bitching about big jumps, 450's being too much, rough tracks, ect...

Like anything else moto evolves and becomes more modern, and the risk vs reward increases each year. I swear these people who bitch all the time need to re evaluate if there in the right sport or not. Motocross is dangerous and always will be. People will always want to push the limits of whats next. If you are going to bitch and moan about the new age of moto then go play golf of take up kite flying. That step up jump at Hangtown discussion is a perfect example of how people like to pussify things just like the rest of the politically correct goons out there. Moto isn't for the timid. Let moto stay moto please!! Big jumps, fast bikes, and everything else new Is progression, not regression.
RealityCheck wrote:
I pretty much agree with everything you're saying, but found your inclusion of the complaint that "450's being too much" to be somewhat ironic. 4 strokes...
I pretty much agree with everything you're saying, but found your inclusion of the complaint that "450's being too much" to be somewhat ironic. 4 strokes, especially 450s, represent the ultimate pussification of motocross. The only reason 4 strokes are so popular is because they're easier to ride than 2-strokes. Period. If that's not pussification, I don't know what it is.
RealityCheck you need a reality check - throw your leg over any modern 450 and push it for all it's worth - good luck bro - if you ride it like a pussy then you get pussification - if you ride it to it's potential you are a badass - lot's of room in between the two.

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