what USA track would herlings win for sure?

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timlake 5/11/2015 6:03am
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All of them on a 125 with the front brake locked on.




With his helmet turned backwards.
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I wouldn't say that anything is ever guarenteed in MX. But I think Herlings is far and away the best 250 rider in the world, and he has the ability to turn up at any AMA national and go 1-1. I did hear that it is in his plans to go and ride Unadilla this year, and also he wants to wrap the title up early so he can race the last few GP's on a 350. So potentially he could be in the MXGP class at Glen Helen
UpTiTe 5/11/2015 6:26am
5/11/2015 6:26am Edited Date/Time 5/11/2015 6:28am
For sure win? None. Could win? Any of them. I'd bet on him to win on hard pack vs any American rider.
mikebrownsound 5/11/2015 6:46am
5/11/2015 6:46am Edited Date/Time 5/11/2015 6:56am
To bad southwick is of, but unadilla maybe ? He would be able to win wherever. But i dont think he would come out and dominate he might struggle with the heat in texas etc. But to say he would win (all) or win (none) is just unrealistic, he would be a threat for the win just as much as k-roc, maybe he would need one season to adapt but he would be a threat and probably a class leader if he was given the opportunity to race a full season.

But we can all speculate until he shows up cant we? IT would be cool to see him race in America , hopefully one day we will.

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Hearlings will probably win anything that is sand yes he is that good, however it will take more for him to win on hard pack.

Like James Stewart hearlings is a once in a generation rider.
steve.hackler.1 5/11/2015 8:12am
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Muddy Creek because it becomes rougher as the day passes and he would think he was back in Europe. Watching the podium presentation on TV this past weekend I was surprised at just how big he is. His ride has some serious HP.
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RY4N37 wrote:
I wouldn't say that anything is ever guarenteed in MX. But I think Herlings is far and away the best 250 rider in the world, and...
I wouldn't say that anything is ever guarenteed in MX. But I think Herlings is far and away the best 250 rider in the world, and he has the ability to turn up at any AMA national and go 1-1. I did hear that it is in his plans to go and ride Unadilla this year, and also he wants to wrap the title up early so he can race the last few GP's on a 350. So potentially he could be in the MXGP class at Glen Helen
Just got wood!
Muscle-Milk-KTM 5/11/2015 9:17am
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Unadilla and Millvile i would say. I was so bummed out last year when he destroyed his leg on that 85cc ... he was about to...
Unadilla and Millvile i would say. I was so bummed out last year when he destroyed his leg on that 85cc ... he was about to race Unadilla a few weeks later.. I would like to see him ride a 450 race more to be honest. Not sure why but i would love to see Tomac vs Herlings Evil
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Bring him to Millville, Jeremy will be waiting....
Herlings would no doubt beat Martin at Millville. Jeremy Martin hasn't exactly been dominate at a track that his parents own & run.
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GuyB 5/11/2015 9:18am
5/11/2015 9:18am Edited Date/Time 5/11/2015 9:24am
The one with the starting gate and finish line.

(As others have said, he'd have a chance. No win is guaranteed.)
mikebrownsound 5/11/2015 10:16am
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Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:
Herlings would no doubt beat Martin at Millville. Jeremy Martin hasn't exactly been dominate at a track that his parents own & run.
Tbh you dont know that. Or do you ? Evidence pls. Herlings is good and he can probably do it, but "definitly" how can we know.
Muscle-Milk-KTM 5/11/2015 10:34am
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Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:
Herlings would no doubt beat Martin at Millville. Jeremy Martin hasn't exactly been dominate at a track that his parents own & run.
mikebrownsound wrote:
Tbh you dont know that. Or do you ? Evidence pls. Herlings is good and he can probably do it, but "definitly" how can we know.
At what point did I say he would "definitely" beat Martin?
mikebrownsound 5/11/2015 10:41am
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Muscle-Milk-KTM wrote:
At what point did I say he would "definitely" beat Martin?
would no doubt beat Martin at Millville. "no doubt" my bad. but i still disagree. Herlings is good but to come over and smoke JM on his own track, i doubt it. But i would love to see him over. But i dont think he would come to millville and beat the top guns in his first attempt.
Muscle-Milk-KTM 5/11/2015 10:50am
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At what point did I say he would "definitely" beat Martin?
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would no doubt beat Martin at Millville. "no doubt" my bad. but i still disagree. Herlings is good but to come over and smoke JM on...
would no doubt beat Martin at Millville. "no doubt" my bad. but i still disagree. Herlings is good but to come over and smoke JM on his own track, i doubt it. But i would love to see him over. But i dont think he would come to millville and beat the top guns in his first attempt.
I get what you're saying but Martin has only won 1 moto at his own track. Herlings has won 12 moto's back to back at his own track (Valkenswaard) since he was 15 yrs old. I was just saying that Martin isn't as dominate at his home track as people make out. If Herlings did turn up at Millville maybe he might win or Martin will or just maybe someone may smoke them both.
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dirtjumpcycle 5/11/2015 11:03am
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He might do alright in the 85 mod at Loretta's
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h&m_cycle 5/11/2015 11:08am
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He's young, he could be MX1 World Champion, 250 Nationals Champion & 450 Nationals Champion & Maybe Supercross
Champion which we will never know...

Throw in a Canadian too by the time he's 30...

I know some Euro's have come over here to race & said it was harder here. I don't believe them, all those different cultures,
countries, time zones, just to enter a country is a pain in the ass. Major Jet lag when I had to go to China, going through
customs ect.

They may not be lying about supercross being really tough, but I can't see adjusting to the tracks within a year... only 3 hour
diffence in timezones here.

If they said it's way more easy over here they would get boo-ed off the track. Rednecks were calling JMB a commie
@ highpoint...

I wouldn't blame Stewart for not wanting to race over there, places like Spain are crazy, Soccer fans were throwing bananas
on to the field messing with a black goalie. Hamilton (formula one) was testing & was heading to his motor home on a golf cart
& bananas were also tossed @ him...
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Park Boys 5/11/2015 11:09am
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all of them, in either class
Lol, Roczen would love to smoke him... Like usual.
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h&m_cycle wrote:
He's young, he could be MX1 World Champion, 250 Nationals Champion & 450 Nationals Champion & Maybe Supercross Champion which we will never know... Throw in...
He's young, he could be MX1 World Champion, 250 Nationals Champion & 450 Nationals Champion & Maybe Supercross
Champion which we will never know...

Throw in a Canadian too by the time he's 30...

I know some Euro's have come over here to race & said it was harder here. I don't believe them, all those different cultures,
countries, time zones, just to enter a country is a pain in the ass. Major Jet lag when I had to go to China, going through
customs ect.

They may not be lying about supercross being really tough, but I can't see adjusting to the tracks within a year... only 3 hour
diffence in timezones here.

If they said it's way more easy over here they would get boo-ed off the track. Rednecks were calling JMB a commie
@ highpoint...

I wouldn't blame Stewart for not wanting to race over there, places like Spain are crazy, Soccer fans were throwing bananas
on to the field messing with a black goalie. Hamilton (formula one) was testing & was heading to his motor home on a golf cart
& bananas were also tossed @ him...
He would not win SX. He tried Supercross, if he would have excelled at it immediately like Roczen I honestly think he would be here already. In no way is that a knock that just proves how crazy talented Roczen is, to be able to excell at something with not much prior training.
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philG 5/11/2015 11:23am
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He is still struggling this year, compared to how he was in 2014 before his injury, but i dont see anyone who has his speed,

You can only judge how fast he is by standing on the fence and watching him go by, compared to everyone else.

By the end of this season he will be fully fit , and available for the Nations.

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ayearinmx 5/11/2015 11:41am
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Park Boys wrote:
He would not win SX. He tried Supercross, if he would have excelled at it immediately like Roczen I honestly think he would be here already...
He would not win SX. He tried Supercross, if he would have excelled at it immediately like Roczen I honestly think he would be here already. In no way is that a knock that just proves how crazy talented Roczen is, to be able to excell at something with not much prior training.
Actually, he hated the Californian lifestyle.... didn't have any friends and family there and felt lonely. So why move there?

And are we still counting his brief stint including that amazing crash that no other pro has suffered ever when training for SX as "trying" it? Really? Because I've got little doubt that if he truly wanted to win a SX race, he would and it wouldn't take him very long to do so
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Aryen 5/11/2015 11:56am
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UpTiTe wrote:
For sure win? None. Could win? Any of them. I'd bet on him to win on hard pack vs any American rider.
I agree.

I was in Valkenswaard on the hill where you can see 6 turns and there was this one turn just before a big jump where he was just só much faster than ANYONE (including MXGP) it was sick.
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mbha 5/11/2015 12:29pm
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he'd have the same issues coming here as villo going over there. He hasn't been racing these tracks like he has the GPS the last 5...
he'd have the same issues coming here as villo going over there. He hasn't been racing these tracks like he has the GPS the last 5 years. What track 'suits' him wouldn't matter, its what ever track it all came together on.
Funny how all Einsteins in here completely have missed the point. I am from europe and I happen to think that Herlings is the best outdoor MX 250 racer in the world today which means that he could run with the fastest US based guys on some tracks and loose flat out on a great number of them. he wouldn't win the AMA championship and he would crash a couple of times for a number of reasons. One is that he doesn't know the tracks, another is that the others wouldn't back down handing it to him so he would get involved in some blocking and line stealing. He would struggle with a bunch of issues but showing the world that he actually has the speed, just like Villo has shown.

blowin_tranny is absolutely right!
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Park Boys 5/11/2015 12:31pm
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He would not win SX. He tried Supercross, if he would have excelled at it immediately like Roczen I honestly think he would be here already...
He would not win SX. He tried Supercross, if he would have excelled at it immediately like Roczen I honestly think he would be here already. In no way is that a knock that just proves how crazy talented Roczen is, to be able to excell at something with not much prior training.
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Actually, he hated the Californian lifestyle.... didn't have any friends and family there and felt lonely. So why move there? And are we still counting his...
Actually, he hated the Californian lifestyle.... didn't have any friends and family there and felt lonely. So why move there?

And are we still counting his brief stint including that amazing crash that no other pro has suffered ever when training for SX as "trying" it? Really? Because I've got little doubt that if he truly wanted to win a SX race, he would and it wouldn't take him very long to do so
I wasn't bagging on him, like I said he was not a "natural" at supercross like Roczen was. They all crash on a supercross track, I was pointing out in this stage of his career there is zero chance of him winning a SX title. But I have zero doubt that if he immediately had competitive times he would be here and why wouldn't you, I have always thought it's such a waste that Paulin stayed in Europe as he is pretty damn good on a SX track. Like wise Alessi should have moved to Europe.
crusty_xx 5/11/2015 12:34pm
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RY4N37 wrote:
I wouldn't say that anything is ever guarenteed in MX. But I think Herlings is far and away the best 250 rider in the world, and...
I wouldn't say that anything is ever guarenteed in MX. But I think Herlings is far and away the best 250 rider in the world, and he has the ability to turn up at any AMA national and go 1-1. I did hear that it is in his plans to go and ride Unadilla this year, and also he wants to wrap the title up early so he can race the last few GP's on a 350. So potentially he could be in the MXGP class at Glen Helen
you heard?


He doesn't even know if he races MXGP next year. I doubt he will race the big bike at a race this year if he stays in MX2.
It would be cool for us ofcourse.
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RY4N37 5/11/2015 12:56pm
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RY4N37 wrote:
I wouldn't say that anything is ever guarenteed in MX. But I think Herlings is far and away the best 250 rider in the world, and...
I wouldn't say that anything is ever guarenteed in MX. But I think Herlings is far and away the best 250 rider in the world, and he has the ability to turn up at any AMA national and go 1-1. I did hear that it is in his plans to go and ride Unadilla this year, and also he wants to wrap the title up early so he can race the last few GP's on a 350. So potentially he could be in the MXGP class at Glen Helen
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you heard? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/05/11/90736/s1200_herl.jpg[/img] He doesn't even know if he races MXGP next year. I doubt he will race the big bike at a race this year...
you heard?


He doesn't even know if he races MXGP next year. I doubt he will race the big bike at a race this year if he stays in MX2.
It would be cool for us ofcourse.
Yeah that's just what I've heard. It could be totally wrong, but I think there's a possibility it could happen. We'll have to wait and see what happens. I really hope we get to see him at least on a 350 before the end of the GP season
mikebrownsound 5/11/2015 1:01pm
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mbha wrote:
Funny how all Einsteins in here completely have missed the point. I am from europe and I happen to think that Herlings is the best outdoor...
Funny how all Einsteins in here completely have missed the point. I am from europe and I happen to think that Herlings is the best outdoor MX 250 racer in the world today which means that he could run with the fastest US based guys on some tracks and loose flat out on a great number of them. he wouldn't win the AMA championship and he would crash a couple of times for a number of reasons. One is that he doesn't know the tracks, another is that the others wouldn't back down handing it to him so he would get involved in some blocking and line stealing. He would struggle with a bunch of issues but showing the world that he actually has the speed, just like Villo has shown.

blowin_tranny is absolutely right!
good for you Smile

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