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Edited Date/Time 4/21/2015 2:04am
What was he talking about during his interview about being "unfair" about his gate pick? I didn't see the heat races to know what he was referring to.
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ProjecTMX 4/19/2015 7:23pm
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Had the lead in a heat race but lost it to a mishap with a track worker helping a downed rider. Had to race semi or LCQ forgot which. Guess he was arguing outside interference but Gallagher wasn't hearing it
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Jarid332 4/19/2015 7:34pm
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He got screwed!!!!!
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Mini Elsinore 4/19/2015 7:36pm
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Racing dealio... Cole clearly got caught up in the emotion. He's a better man than his interview reflects. All part of growing as a professional, imo.
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Parks endoed on a stepup/over and was laying in the middle of track with a track guy standing over him directing traffic by pointing to either side under yellow.

eseely was leading and choose left just as a guy pushes parks bike across track hidden from view of seely . He hit the parks bike in the side and nearly endoed himself.

Track worker should have stayed down track in line with parks,he was lucky seely didn't clobber him.

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slipdog 4/19/2015 7:50pm
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They should have red cross flags at the beginning of every rhythm section. Guy down on the backside of a blind section should always bring out the red cross.
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hillbilly 4/19/2015 8:14pm
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slipdog wrote:
They should have red cross flags at the beginning of every rhythm section. Guy down on the backside of a blind section should always bring out...
They should have red cross flags at the beginning of every rhythm section. Guy down on the backside of a blind section should always bring out the red cross.
It always reactive instead of proactive,when someone gets really fucked up they will do the red flag,till then better hope it aint you laying there with guys still tripling by your rebooting brain.
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MxMickyV 4/19/2015 8:32pm
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He is lucky the bike was upright and being pushed off. He hits a downed bike or the rider, things go bad quick. Its racing. He still rode good. He charged to the end.
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Zracer 4/19/2015 8:46pm
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Well the track worker totally turned his back to Seely and seemed to take his time getting the bike off the track. Raw deal for Seely. Understandable why he was pissed.
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captmoto 4/19/2015 9:15pm
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3 yellow flags out and still hits a track worker just doing his job.
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JM485 4/19/2015 9:15pm
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slipdog wrote:
They should have red cross flags at the beginning of every rhythm section. Guy down on the backside of a blind section should always bring out...
They should have red cross flags at the beginning of every rhythm section. Guy down on the backside of a blind section should always bring out the red cross.
Agreed, there was no reason the Red Cross flag shouldn't have been pulled out for that. After watching it on tv the mishap didn't seem as bad, but seeing it in person it was a lot worse of a flagging screw up than it appeared. That wasn't a racing incident, he straight up got screwed.

I'm honestly pretty impressed with how well he handled it, had that happened to me I don't know if I would have been able to keep it under control as well as he did, that was a pretty embracing screw up on the AMAs part. Made me happy to see him giving it to Gallagher a bit though.Laughing
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GuyB 4/19/2015 9:20pm
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captmoto wrote:
3 yellow flags out and still hits a track worker just doing his job.
His job is to wait until the track is clear, then roll it out of the way. Not roll it and have people run into him.
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kiwifan 4/19/2015 9:31pm
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captmoto wrote:
3 yellow flags out and still hits a track worker just doing his job.
GuyB wrote:
His job is to wait until the track is clear, then roll it out of the way. Not roll it and have people run into him.
Agreed, not sure why people dont understand that
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captmoto wrote:
3 yellow flags out and still hits a track worker just doing his job.
GuyB wrote:
His job is to wait until the track is clear, then roll it out of the way. Not roll it and have people run into him.
kiwifan wrote:
Agreed, not sure why people dont understand that
yep, basic stuff.
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TDeath21 4/19/2015 9:59pm
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I'm with Seely on this one. That was bullshit. If I'm the head official, I'm awarding Seely the win for the heat race and whoever got 4th is going to the semi.
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ACBraap 4/19/2015 11:01pm
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captmoto wrote:
3 yellow flags out and still hits a track worker just doing his job.
GuyB wrote:
His job is to wait until the track is clear, then roll it out of the way. Not roll it and have people run into him.
Agree 100%.

Seely demonstrated remarkable restraint in post race interviews. The officiating really needs an upgrade for the series to not devolve into being a monster truck/WWE spectacle.
GeorgiePorgie 4/19/2015 11:06pm
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slipdog wrote:
They should have red cross flags at the beginning of every rhythm section. Guy down on the backside of a blind section should always bring out...
They should have red cross flags at the beginning of every rhythm section. Guy down on the backside of a blind section should always bring out the red cross.
AC was that a track worker ? Or an asterisk medical crew member ? Asterisk guys should be allowed to touch riders only. Not their bikes.

The yoyo pushing the bike off the track should of looked LEFT as he was pushing it off. He looked RIGHT. All he had to do was look and he wouldn't of screwed seely. Dude had a total dipshit moment.

Nobody should be allowed to touch those bikes except for the Flaggers. And they should be trained howto do it right.
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Madc32 4/20/2015 12:26am
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captmoto wrote:
3 yellow flags out and still hits a track worker just doing his job.
GuyB wrote:
His job is to wait until the track is clear, then roll it out of the way. Not roll it and have people run into him.
It seems to me that the track worker should have looked a lane over to see if anyone was coming. It looked like the track worker wasn't even looking for oncoming riders. Is it just me or has the AMA/FIM had more than their fair share of foul ups this SX season? Gates not dropping, black flag, helmets going through inspection but then being pulled off the line, unnecessary red cross flags and track workers pushing bikes in front of race leaders.
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Yea the guy never even looked !!!! What was the hurry getting the bike off the track? Guy was a Knucklehead pushing the bike off, he didn't review the whole situation and make a good decision and #14 paid the price.

Although JS7 did the same thing to #14 so .....

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Crush 4/20/2015 5:22am
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GuyB wrote:
His job is to wait until the track is clear, then roll it out of the way. Not roll it and have people run into him.
kiwifan wrote:
Agreed, not sure why people dont understand that
Boarddesign wrote:
yep, basic stuff.
Yep, but on the other hand don't all those yellow flags mean exercise caution? Not triple at balls out speed as usual?
neverwasfastenuf 4/20/2015 5:35am
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TDeath21 wrote:
I'm with Seely on this one. That was bullshit. If I'm the head official, I'm awarding Seely the win for the heat race and whoever got...
I'm with Seely on this one. That was bullshit. If I'm the head official, I'm awarding Seely the win for the heat race and whoever got 4th is going to the semi.
Bad deal for Seely, it could have been way worse for the guy pushing the bike and/or Seely. I don't know how they could have given him the win on coulda, shoulda, woulda but he had it pretty much in the bag.

If they would have awarded Seely the win in this case I'm thinking Reed and Osterman would have come unglued and we would have a 10 pager now.
kaidoddragon 4/20/2015 5:36am
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Well, still got 5th and he'll finish in the top 3.
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IWreckALot 4/20/2015 5:39am
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526 wrote:
Yea the guy never even looked !!!! What was the hurry getting the bike off the track? Guy was a Knucklehead pushing the bike off, he...
Yea the guy never even looked !!!! What was the hurry getting the bike off the track? Guy was a Knucklehead pushing the bike off, he didn't review the whole situation and make a good decision and #14 paid the price.

Although JS7 did the same thing to #14 so .....
It was a bad time to have a lapse of judgement. I don't want to defend him crossing the way he did, but those track workers are sprinting from section to section the whole race, dodging bikes, and they very rarely get any mention or credit until they screw up which is pretty rare. Overall, they really do a great job. Just sucks it affected the race outcome like it did.

Seely's interview definitely was a little more butthurt than I expected. I like Seely and he got screwed, but there wasn't anything that could have been done after the fact that I could see. I wish Seely would have explained about how the gate pick affected him on that track in particular. Worse gate pick=more people to pass on a track that was abnormally difficult to pass on. Of course, I'm saying this from a monday morning quarterback position.

Out of curiosity, was the rulebook followed after that incident? Seely was chewing Gallagher's ear, but could Gallagher have done anything after the fact?
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jevyguy 4/20/2015 6:06am
4/20/2015 6:06am Edited Date/Time 4/20/2015 6:33am
Crap deal for Cole for sure but no one knows if he would have got a way better start in the main if he had a better gate.
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slipdog 4/20/2015 6:32am
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jevyguy wrote:
Crap deal for Cole for sure but no one knows if he would have got a way better start in the main if he had a...
Crap deal for Cole for sure but no one knows if he would have got a way better start in the main if he had a better gate.
At the very least he would have gotten a bigger bonus check. I wonder what his contract pays for heat race wins...
neverwasfastenuf 4/20/2015 6:36am
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jevyguy wrote:
Crap deal for Cole for sure but no one knows if he would have got a way better start in the main if he had a...
Crap deal for Cole for sure but no one knows if he would have got a way better start in the main if he had a better gate.
slipdog wrote:
At the very least he would have gotten a bigger bonus check. I wonder what his contract pays for heat race wins...
Agreed
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richter28 4/20/2015 6:41am
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So the majority of this thread feel it's acceptable for a rider to jump into a section full of yellow flags having no idea whats on the other side. Okay. The worker probably thought, hey holding this bike sideways on the backside of a jump where the rider can't see me probably isn't a great spot, and made a quick decision, wrong or right. Either way, I think there should have been cross flags out instead of yellow flags. Any time there's a rider, bike, and Asterisk members on blind side of a jump should be a cross flag.
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dhp_mma94 4/20/2015 6:50am
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didnt cole say tht he was directed to the left???
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richter28 wrote:
So the majority of this thread feel it's acceptable for a rider to jump into a section full of yellow flags having no idea whats on...
So the majority of this thread feel it's acceptable for a rider to jump into a section full of yellow flags having no idea whats on the other side. Okay. The worker probably thought, hey holding this bike sideways on the backside of a jump where the rider can't see me probably isn't a great spot, and made a quick decision, wrong or right. Either way, I think there should have been cross flags out instead of yellow flags. Any time there's a rider, bike, and Asterisk members on blind side of a jump should be a cross flag.
I would hope everyone thinks it's acceptable. A yellow flag in SX is not the same as a yellow flag in your local race.

Seely knew what was on the other side; a guy down in the middle of the track (which he learned from the guy standing at the top of the jump directing him left or right - seely's choice to go left).

Track worker pushing the bike off just had a momentary lapse and it cost Seely the win.
neverwasfastenuf 4/20/2015 7:41am
4/20/2015 7:41am
Red cross flags would have been a good deal.

Seely went as directed, the guy pushing the bike should have been looking toward oncoming traffic and should have checked the lane prior to where he was.

There were several others there watching and it appeared that nobody had a clue or attempted to aid in the safe removal of the bike from the track. It could have been way worse.

Several lessons to be learned from this.
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BD233 4/20/2015 7:49am
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richter28 wrote:
So the majority of this thread feel it's acceptable for a rider to jump into a section full of yellow flags having no idea whats on...
So the majority of this thread feel it's acceptable for a rider to jump into a section full of yellow flags having no idea whats on the other side. Okay. The worker probably thought, hey holding this bike sideways on the backside of a jump where the rider can't see me probably isn't a great spot, and made a quick decision, wrong or right. Either way, I think there should have been cross flags out instead of yellow flags. Any time there's a rider, bike, and Asterisk members on blind side of a jump should be a cross flag.
Of course you jump on yellow...the red Cross flag signals no jumping. Track worker error that cost Seely his race and his gate pick. Bum deal for Cole....

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