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burnside wrote:
I agree. Was like you could smell the bias on his breath.
These dudes need to be impartial professionals, not Vitards with a mic.
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I think Malin is really McCread in disguise..Grinning
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Laughing I'll take that as a compliment ha ha Tongue
please do....Grinning
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Is there a forum comparable to vital mx for the gps in Europe?
No, not really.
Not that's really open to everyone. MXTrax is an attempt, but if you counter the anti-American sentiment in the least, expect to be banned pretty quickly.
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Jesus you guys take some pleasing, this is exactly what we said would happen but you can't see it. RV is an insanely good rider and...
Jesus you guys take some pleasing, this is exactly what we said would happen but you can't see it. RV is an insanely good rider and although he wipes the floor in the US that doesn't mean he is going to wipe the floor in GP's . How can you guys expect the bloke to move continents with weird looking/speaking people,strange food etc etc. And smoke the guys that have being doing it for years ? Give him a chance he was obviously very nervous and riding not 100% but that is expected. Please stop saying he is going to smoke it.He is no different than any of the other guys IMO this championship is open to anybody in the top 10
This is completely false. Not one person said that what happened would happen. Show me one time that someone predicted a freakish stall at the gate and rear brake failure in the second moto for Villopoto. Because those are the issues, and neither of them have anything to do with moving to Europe, different languages, etc. They're simply weird events that occurred.

Anyone who has ever watched Villopoto ride knew that something was not right in that second moto. He's said it was his rear brake, and RV is not usually a guy to blame the bike for not winning like some riders tend to do.

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3/1/2015 8:09am
I noticed it took him a lot of kicks to get his bike fired before the second Moto. I thought the commentators on tv had some interesting points on RVs aggressive riding style. How it may not suite the GP tracks as much as it has the American tracks. I mean nagl barely looked like he was trying and you could really see the difference in the way he cornered compared to RV. RV could have very well been over riding the track. Who knows just found that a interesting point.

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3/1/2015 8:33am
APLMAN99 wrote:
This is completely false. Not one person said that what happened would happen. Show me one time that someone predicted a freakish stall at the gate...
This is completely false. Not one person said that what happened would happen. Show me one time that someone predicted a freakish stall at the gate and rear brake failure in the second moto for Villopoto. Because those are the issues, and neither of them have anything to do with moving to Europe, different languages, etc. They're simply weird events that occurred.

Anyone who has ever watched Villopoto ride knew that something was not right in that second moto. He's said it was his rear brake, and RV is not usually a guy to blame the bike for not winning like some riders tend to do.

1. Nervous for racing the first GP ever in his life.

2. New team

3. That first heat start would never happen again.

4. He was of pace no denying that.

5. BUT he can learn the pace, he usually start of seasons very bad.

6. Cairoli is the diesel of europe he usually never have a bad race wich is something RV have to pickup very fast cause he is learning the whole gp for 1 season.

7. To RV´s advantage when he feels comfy he is the fastest man on the planet hands down.

8. These are the tracks the MX gp riders been riding for forever ofc they already have advantage.

9. Time will tell he be just fine within 3-4 i would assume.

10. First race - match / game is the same in every championship in every sport cant judge anything by it.
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Searle got to many injuries to be a threat. He will never be a champion , he was kinda useless in america. Simpsons... coulda woulda shoulda...
Searle got to many injuries to be a threat. He will never be a champion , he was kinda useless in america.

Simpsons... coulda woulda shoulda if you ask me, i dont think he is more than a top 10 in the end of the season.

but i do agreed on the shit talk its boring, just dont like adam wheeler and paul trying to make a statement that the GP´s are the hardest series you can race. Its hard but its equal for everyone. RV is a master of rebound and for 18th rounds he be fine but thats just my personal opinion.
jamma10 wrote:
He was mediocre in America, but that's mainly because he got injured and was the solitary rider on a very mediocre KTM team at the time...
He was mediocre in America, but that's mainly because he got injured and was the solitary rider on a very mediocre KTM team at the time.

He finished 6th overall outdoors in 2009, injured his shoulder at A2 in 2010 which put him out until the outdoors and then busted the same shoulder in race two at the opening round at Hangtown. That happened after finishing a very close second to Pourcel in the first moto, beating the likes of Dungey, Canard & Barcia. Rattray finished behined Searle in 2009 and finished 2nd overall in 2010.

Dungey was racing 450's in 10. I don't think Tommy ever beat Ryan in a moto in AMA racing.
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3/1/2015 8:55am
Rowlands wrote:
Jesus you guys take some pleasing, this is exactly what we said would happen but you can't see it. RV is an insanely good rider and...
Jesus you guys take some pleasing, this is exactly what we said would happen but you can't see it. RV is an insanely good rider and although he wipes the floor in the US that doesn't mean he is going to wipe the floor in GP's . How can you guys expect the bloke to move continents with weird looking/speaking people,strange food etc etc. And smoke the guys that have being doing it for years ? Give him a chance he was obviously very nervous and riding not 100% but that is expected. Please stop saying he is going to smoke it.He is no different than any of the other guys IMO this championship is open to anybody in the top 10
APLMAN99 wrote:
This is completely false. Not one person said that what happened would happen. Show me one time that someone predicted a freakish stall at the gate...
This is completely false. Not one person said that what happened would happen. Show me one time that someone predicted a freakish stall at the gate and rear brake failure in the second moto for Villopoto. Because those are the issues, and neither of them have anything to do with moving to Europe, different languages, etc. They're simply weird events that occurred.

Anyone who has ever watched Villopoto ride knew that something was not right in that second moto. He's said it was his rear brake, and RV is not usually a guy to blame the bike for not winning like some riders tend to do.

The actions are irrelevant. What I am saying is the reason he wasn't 100% is because he is not used to the format/country and all the other variables. A Few people on here have been saying how he was going to come over and dominate without realising there is more to winning a championship than being a fast rider. And some of you can't see that and it annoys me.
I don't understand your post really ?
3/1/2015 9:04am Edited Date/Time 3/1/2015 9:06am
Rowlands wrote:
The actions are irrelevant. What I am saying is the reason he wasn't 100% is because he is not used to the format/country and all the...
The actions are irrelevant. What I am saying is the reason he wasn't 100% is because he is not used to the format/country and all the other variables. A Few people on here have been saying how he was going to come over and dominate without realising there is more to winning a championship than being a fast rider. And some of you can't see that and it annoys me.
I don't understand your post really ?
Those people who say he was going to come over and smoke everyone are delusional or trolls. He is able to win a few here and there on a good day ,and ofc be a threat on daily bases., but he would never come over and smoke anyone and go 1-1 thats just ridicolous, only the haters of europe or vise versa are posting shit in those terms

The quality is better today, before you had everts or RC, today in US and Europe you got faster racers and closer racing. But if you would put RV and Cairoli on a track together just the two of them on a track no one of the two ever ridden before rv would probably win pure speed is RV the fastest man on the planet i have no doubt, but it dosent matter in the long term if you cant contain that fast speed with good starts and to put himself in a good spot to be able to do it.

But to be honest from dead last stalling the bike to 8th on a track he never ridden before , being rusty and all that, not to bad at all. Its way to early for people to write anything about this series based of rd 1.. This will be a show between, AC, RV, Paulin, nagl, Desalle, maybe you see strijbos, de dycker, Van hoor sneak in there to.
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3/1/2015 9:08am
Rowlands wrote:
The actions are irrelevant. What I am saying is the reason he wasn't 100% is because he is not used to the format/country and all the...
The actions are irrelevant. What I am saying is the reason he wasn't 100% is because he is not used to the format/country and all the other variables. A Few people on here have been saying how he was going to come over and dominate without realising there is more to winning a championship than being a fast rider. And some of you can't see that and it annoys me.
I don't understand your post really ?
Those people who say he was going to come over and smoke everyone are delusional or trolls. He is able to win a few here and...
Those people who say he was going to come over and smoke everyone are delusional or trolls. He is able to win a few here and there on a good day ,and ofc be a threat on daily bases., but he would never come over and smoke anyone and go 1-1 thats just ridicolous, only the haters of europe or vise versa are posting shit in those terms

The quality is better today, before you had everts or RC, today in US and Europe you got faster racers and closer racing. But if you would put RV and Cairoli on a track together just the two of them on a track no one of the two ever ridden before rv would probably win pure speed is RV the fastest man on the planet i have no doubt, but it dosent matter in the long term if you cant contain that fast speed with good starts and to put himself in a good spot to be able to do it.

But to be honest from dead last stalling the bike to 8th on a track he never ridden before , being rusty and all that, not to bad at all. Its way to early for people to write anything about this series based of rd 1.. This will be a show between, AC, RV, Paulin, nagl, Desalle, maybe you see strijbos, de dycker, Van hoor sneak in there to.
Do you agree with my posts? Can you see where I am coming from or am I going crazy ?
I agree with all of your posts so far
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Do you agree with my posts? Can you see where I am coming from or am I going crazy ? I agree with all of your...
Do you agree with my posts? Can you see where I am coming from or am I going crazy ?
I agree with all of your posts so far
Some of the people making these crazy claims about RV have been doing it forever and annoying other US fans as well. I'm not even a RV fan, but it does get a little old seeing derogatory remarks made about him and his country or fans as a whole, mostly from your fellow country mates. They don't come right out and shit on him, but make as many back handed insults as possible then claim innocence and their love of America. It goes both ways. Everyone just needs to drop it and enjoy the racing. The only thing I'm bummed about is having to wait another six days for the next race. Supercross last night was awesome too. Bummed that Reed had that slip up right at the beginning. He was riding pretty good yesterday.
3/1/2015 9:17am
Rowlands wrote:
Do you agree with my posts? Can you see where I am coming from or am I going crazy ? I agree with all of your...
Do you agree with my posts? Can you see where I am coming from or am I going crazy ?
I agree with all of your posts so far
I agree. I laugh at the people stamping 1-1 and all that. It would never happend. A couple of wins and a threat for the podium is the thing i aspect. Good clean racing. Some tracks will go in RV´s favor some just dont suit him, and he got very very very short time to acclimatize , but as we know he is a fast learner and doubting RV´s quality and speed and the trophees both in USA and MXDN shows what he is capable of. Haters from both side of the continent is pathetic. All i want is bloody good racing between rv and the top guns in the gp´s and since i root for rv personally i ofc want him to win. But one have to be realistic and see the long term goals. I mean one little mistake from anyone can bring a sudden end to their championship, this is motocross its unpredictable, take out AC from his natural enviroment and he probably struggle just as much as RV early on but they just need time, in USA he was able to dominate cause he is just what AC have been in europe the last 5-6 years , Comfortable cause he is "home" if you know what i mean.
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3/1/2015 9:29am
Thank god all Americans don't think like these trolls lol, one day I would love to come to California to ride
3/1/2015 9:45am
Rowlands wrote:
Thank god all Americans don't think like these trolls lol, one day I would love to come to California to ride
Ive seen trolls from booth side of the pond. Ignoring them is the best way, dont feed the trolls you know! Well if you got money go for a trip alot of cool venues to see and ride.
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3/1/2015 9:47am Edited Date/Time 3/1/2015 9:54am
APLMAN99 wrote:
This is completely false. Not one person said that what happened would happen. Show me one time that someone predicted a freakish stall at the gate...
This is completely false. Not one person said that what happened would happen. Show me one time that someone predicted a freakish stall at the gate and rear brake failure in the second moto for Villopoto. Because those are the issues, and neither of them have anything to do with moving to Europe, different languages, etc. They're simply weird events that occurred.

Anyone who has ever watched Villopoto ride knew that something was not right in that second moto. He's said it was his rear brake, and RV is not usually a guy to blame the bike for not winning like some riders tend to do.

1. Nervous for racing the first GP ever in his life. 2. New team 3. That first heat start would never happen again. 4. He was...
1. Nervous for racing the first GP ever in his life.

2. New team

3. That first heat start would never happen again.

4. He was of pace no denying that.

5. BUT he can learn the pace, he usually start of seasons very bad.

6. Cairoli is the diesel of europe he usually never have a bad race wich is something RV have to pickup very fast cause he is learning the whole gp for 1 season.

7. To RV´s advantage when he feels comfy he is the fastest man on the planet hands down.

8. These are the tracks the MX gp riders been riding for forever ofc they already have advantage.

9. Time will tell he be just fine within 3-4 i would assume.

10. First race - match / game is the same in every championship in every sport cant judge anything by it.
11. He has put more pressure on himself by doing this than any motocrosser ever. The entire moto world is watching him half wanting him to fail, half wanting him to kick everyones butts. The perception of each series on the line. He would be inhuman if he didn't have the jitters.

I called a 1-1 by a few seconds a week or two ago based on what I remembered from last year, after I watched last year again I changed my view but still thought he would be there by the second moto. That track is nothing like the USA, it's speedway with nothing but easy(by pro standards) big jumps. It's certainly not a track he should have a disadvantage on but hardly what he is used to.
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Those people who say he was going to come over and smoke everyone are delusional or trolls. He is able to win a few here and...
Those people who say he was going to come over and smoke everyone are delusional or trolls. He is able to win a few here and there on a good day ,and ofc be a threat on daily bases., but he would never come over and smoke anyone and go 1-1 thats just ridicolous, only the haters of europe or vise versa are posting shit in those terms

The quality is better today, before you had everts or RC, today in US and Europe you got faster racers and closer racing. But if you would put RV and Cairoli on a track together just the two of them on a track no one of the two ever ridden before rv would probably win pure speed is RV the fastest man on the planet i have no doubt, but it dosent matter in the long term if you cant contain that fast speed with good starts and to put himself in a good spot to be able to do it.

But to be honest from dead last stalling the bike to 8th on a track he never ridden before , being rusty and all that, not to bad at all. Its way to early for people to write anything about this series based of rd 1.. This will be a show between, AC, RV, Paulin, nagl, Desalle, maybe you see strijbos, de dycker, Van hoor sneak in there to.
Re "If you put RV and Cairoli on a track neither of them had ever ridden before RV would win"

We will see next week because the Thailand track is a new one.



3/1/2015 10:12am
Robgvx wrote:
Re "If you put RV and Cairoli on a track neither of them had ever ridden before RV would win" We will see next week because...
Re "If you put RV and Cairoli on a track neither of them had ever ridden before RV would win"

We will see next week because the Thailand track is a new one.



And again you missed the point. If they were the only two to lined up jeesus man. Bad starts is 90% of the race these days. AC still got advantage he is still used to the schedule and comfy with the team. You just one of those RV haters i assume.
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3/1/2015 10:15am
Robgvx wrote:
Re "If you put RV and Cairoli on a track neither of them had ever ridden before RV would win" We will see next week because...
Re "If you put RV and Cairoli on a track neither of them had ever ridden before RV would win"

We will see next week because the Thailand track is a new one.



And again you missed the point. If they were the only two to lined up jeesus man. Bad starts is 90% of the race these days...
And again you missed the point. If they were the only two to lined up jeesus man. Bad starts is 90% of the race these days. AC still got advantage he is still used to the schedule and comfy with the team. You just one of those RV haters i assume.
WTF? I was just pointing out that next week's track is a new one.
3/1/2015 10:18am
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WTF? I was just pointing out that next week's track is a new one.
miss understood you ! I apologize.
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3/1/2015 10:19am
Robgvx wrote:
Re "If you put RV and Cairoli on a track neither of them had ever ridden before RV would win" We will see next week because...
Re "If you put RV and Cairoli on a track neither of them had ever ridden before RV would win"

We will see next week because the Thailand track is a new one.



I didnt know that... level playing field then.
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3/1/2015 10:24am
mikebrownsound,

I know that you are trying to be the level headed pro-RV voice of reason here.... but statements like

"7. To RV´s advantage when he feels comfy he is the fastest man on the planet hands down."

can be construed as arrogant. I personally think that Herlings, a mere 250 class rider, is the fastest overall. There are no cold hard facts to back that up. I feel that RV would be hands down is the fastest overall rider in the supercross and national series' because he has been just that for the past 4 years.

If you lined Cairoli and RV up on a smooth loamy track (similar to almost every national), RV would probably win. You put them on hardpack or sand, I'd give the edge to Cairoli. If the track is smoother.... advantage RV. Rougher.... advantage Cairoli.
3/1/2015 10:29am Edited Date/Time 3/1/2015 10:36am
Go Rid e2 wrote:
mikebrownsound, I know that you are trying to be the level headed pro-RV voice of reason here.... but statements like "7. To RV´s advantage when he...
mikebrownsound,

I know that you are trying to be the level headed pro-RV voice of reason here.... but statements like

"7. To RV´s advantage when he feels comfy he is the fastest man on the planet hands down."

can be construed as arrogant. I personally think that Herlings, a mere 250 class rider, is the fastest overall. There are no cold hard facts to back that up. I feel that RV would be hands down is the fastest overall rider in the supercross and national series' because he has been just that for the past 4 years.

If you lined Cairoli and RV up on a smooth loamy track (similar to almost every national), RV would probably win. You put them on hardpack or sand, I'd give the edge to Cairoli. If the track is smoother.... advantage RV. Rougher.... advantage Cairoli.
That is just my personal opinion just like you have yours.

I personaly believe RV is the fastest rider on this planet and thats not arrogant at all.

I think RV can beat him on a harder rough track but the sand tracks is cairoli all the wayl In the end its not these two , cause the field will give them problems and they have to fight hard against nagl and the rest. Its not a two man show like media is trying to hype it up to be.

One thing thats disturb me is how some people say" smoother" to the tracks in united states they are not smooth in the nationals they are rough as hell they just got different style and maybe a bit more hardpack underneath, its not like going to usa and ride the nationals is a cake walk. The tracks in europe are just different, you still have to be in shape and bring your A-game. There is a reason why people from America say we are the best cause they got the most MXDN trophees and those races have been overseas and usa have technical supercross, but today you see more europeans come over and ride in the sx/mx series ,

the gap i just shorter and the quality in europe is better now no denying that.

But you dont have RV`s resumé for lurking in 8th place in the end of this season only a fool would say this is what he will look like for the rest of the year.

I would to see AC come to USA and race one full season with a new team just for the sake of it and see how he will do against the field here but that wont happen. He wants to beat Everts record i guess and i dont blame him for that he is a good champ.
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3/1/2015 11:01am
PabstBR11 wrote:
Is there a forum comparable to vital mx for the gps in Europe?
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Yes... Please post link
Mxbars.net
3/1/2015 11:32am
Robgvx wrote:
Re "If you put RV and Cairoli on a track neither of them had ever ridden before RV would win" We will see next week because...
Re "If you put RV and Cairoli on a track neither of them had ever ridden before RV would win"

We will see next week because the Thailand track is a new one.



philG wrote:
I didnt know that... level playing field then.
Only if RV does well... ! If he doesn't, then it's the schedule, the team, bike setup, or maybe they'll use fuel as an excuse.
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3/1/2015 11:36am
PabstBR11 wrote:
Is there a forum comparable to vital mx for the gps in Europe?
No, not really.
APLMAN99 wrote:
Not that's really open to everyone. MXTrax is an attempt, but if you counter the anti-American sentiment in the least, expect to be banned pretty quickly.
That's weak.
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3/1/2015 12:09pm
Verry easy, Villopoto didn't race for a pretty long time. All the other riders in front of Villo did some pre season races. All of them had 3 or more races before qatar. villopoto should have raced some euro races before qatar.

Nevertheless i am sure Villopoto wil turn this around. Hopenhe does quick because else the points are gone..
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3/1/2015 12:51pm
He is getting paid $12,000,000 win or lose. I'm quite sure he would rather win, and will no doubt fight to do so given his nature. But understand at the end of the day he is getting paid about $667,000 per weekend, or about $334,000 per moto, or almost $10,000 per racing minute. Win or lose.
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3/1/2015 12:55pm
Robgvx wrote:
Re "If you put RV and Cairoli on a track neither of them had ever ridden before RV would win" We will see next week because...
Re "If you put RV and Cairoli on a track neither of them had ever ridden before RV would win"

We will see next week because the Thailand track is a new one.



philG wrote:
I didnt know that... level playing field then.
Only if RV does well... ! If he doesn't, then it's the schedule, the team, bike setup, or maybe they'll use fuel as an excuse.
Give it up already. Reading your posts is getting old.
3/1/2015 12:59pm
1. Nervous for racing the first GP ever in his life. 2. New team 3. That first heat start would never happen again. 4. He was...
1. Nervous for racing the first GP ever in his life.

2. New team

3. That first heat start would never happen again.

4. He was of pace no denying that.

5. BUT he can learn the pace, he usually start of seasons very bad.

6. Cairoli is the diesel of europe he usually never have a bad race wich is something RV have to pickup very fast cause he is learning the whole gp for 1 season.

7. To RV´s advantage when he feels comfy he is the fastest man on the planet hands down.

8. These are the tracks the MX gp riders been riding for forever ofc they already have advantage.

9. Time will tell he be just fine within 3-4 i would assume.

10. First race - match / game is the same in every championship in every sport cant judge anything by it.
Point 8 is bullshit, this is a man made track in the middle of the bloody desert. They've been organising GP's here just for a few years and this is nothing like the tracks back in Europe.
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3/1/2015 1:12pm
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11. He has put more pressure on himself by doing this than any motocrosser ever. The entire moto world is watching him half wanting him to...
11. He has put more pressure on himself by doing this than any motocrosser ever. The entire moto world is watching him half wanting him to fail, half wanting him to kick everyones butts. The perception of each series on the line. He would be inhuman if he didn't have the jitters.

I called a 1-1 by a few seconds a week or two ago based on what I remembered from last year, after I watched last year again I changed my view but still thought he would be there by the second moto. That track is nothing like the USA, it's speedway with nothing but easy(by pro standards) big jumps. It's certainly not a track he should have a disadvantage on but hardly what he is used to.
Yep, clearly not used to that kind of tracks...

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=774644679292735&fref=nf

"half wanting him to fail, half wanting him to kick everyones butts"


I tend to disagree, a large majority of US fans wanted him to kick everyones butts but no way half of the guys watching wanted to see him struggle like he did, including me.
Being from the other side of the pond and judging on what I read on other boards than american ones, I would say 70% wanted to see him to do good and were even expecting more than just "good"...


3/1/2015 1:13pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2015 1:21pm
Point 8 is bullshit, this is a man made track in the middle of the bloody desert. They've been organising GP's here just for a few...
Point 8 is bullshit, this is a man made track in the middle of the bloody desert. They've been organising GP's here just for a few years and this is nothing like the tracks back in Europe.
So ? AC have been riding in Qatar more than RV ? And that term man made tracks w/e its equal for everyone. GP tracks are different and AC is and the rest are more comfortable with it , time will tell nothing else.

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