no respect..no respect at all

lostboy819 wrote:

Motorcycle racers are a fiery group to begin with so I wouldn't read too far into it.

ktm212 wrote:

Ill feelings are something I don't understand about our sport, and it's really come to light during the last few weeks with the bar banging action...

Ill feelings are something I don't understand about our sport, and it's really come to light during the last few weeks with the bar banging action we've had. I guess you get them in anything really, I mean football fans literally get into fist fights at games and a majority of them have never even played an official down in their lives. Reading forum post after forum post for years and seeing the amount of shit talking people do on social media and people taking sides and getting the blood boiling just blows my mind. People on twitter, instagram, and in forums telling riders how they hope the break their legs, or too give up an go home because they suck or all of that disgusting crap people spew from their mouth doesn't make much sense to me.

I would guess that upwards of 90% of MX/SX fans have ridden or raced in their lives whether they play rode or raced seriously or just went to open practices which makes it so hard for me to understand how people can say the things they do. You all clearly know how hard it is to ride a dirtbike, you all at one point or another have crashed, whether it be by yourself or into someone else and those of you that have raced have probably been on some end of a take out and you're racing for a 5 dollar plastic trophy. These guys have dedicated their lives to racing a dirtbike for our entertainment and their personal gain, many of which don't really gain THAT much in the scheme of things.

I guess the general thesis of what I'm trying to say is how can people that have actually participated in the sport, ridden, raced, trained a little or alot be so disrespectful to guys who give up their whole lives to chase a dream. Guys shit talk VIllopoto for not showing emotion, Reed for being too emotional, Alessi for giving every lap his all, Stewart for maybe not giving it his all every lap, Barcia for only being able to muster a 6th after a dead last start, Millsaps for fading after a holeshot, Bowers for being too aggressive, or Dungey for not being aggressive enough. These guys have spent their lives wide open literally risking everything to be the best they can and us the hardcore racing fans can't give them the respect they deserve.

I'm what you might consider a low-level privateer, I have my pro license, I win locally but can only muster a qualifying time between low 50s to low 70s depending on the day (I hate timed qualifying). The sport of PRO level motocross versus what we ride every day is almost a different sport, The way to tracks are shaped, the elevation, the lines, the ruts like you've never dreamed about. Maybe that's the reason fans act they way they do because they know motocross from their local backyard track and don't see what it takes but I still can't understand how someone can hate on Alessi or Reed or Weimer when all their trying to do is reach their dreams in a sport we've all done. I've made bonehead moves, I've freaked out on people for making mistakes and crashing into me, and I've been the guy taking someone out. We all have some idea of what it takes so it just bothers me some people can be so disrespectful to people who do what we all wish we could.

p.s sorry for ranting or repetition, this really has always been an issue, it just comes to the forefront recently with reed and canard and bowers and all.

gsxrcr28 wrote:

I was baffled by this when I started reading moto forums, so I asked one of my wife's good friends who is a psychiatrist. She said...

I was baffled by this when I started reading moto forums, so I asked one of my wife's good friends who is a psychiatrist. She said people who do it repeatedly are generally unhappy people and it gives them a brief moment of happiness to put others down, also in all sports if you have a team or player that has beaten your favorite team or player many times people tend to have a dislike for that team or player. That being said, I don't think an occasional critique of a rider or athletes action is a big deal, its that ones that do it repeatedly, and at times for years that there is clearly an underlying issue. The thing I find bizarre is how hypocritical some of the riders extreme fans are. The bright side is I think riders starting to hit the big time now are more prepared for it cause social media has been around awhile.

gsxrcr28 wrote:

I was baffled by this when I started reading moto forums, so I asked one of my wife's good friends who is a psychiatrist. She said...

I was baffled by this when I started reading moto forums, so I asked one of my wife's good friends who is a psychiatrist. She said people who do it repeatedly are generally unhappy people and it gives them a brief moment of happiness to put others down, also in all sports if you have a team or player that has beaten your favorite team or player many times people tend to have a dislike for that team or player. That being said, I don't think an occasional critique of a rider or athletes action is a big deal, its that ones that do it repeatedly, and at times for years that there is clearly an underlying issue. The thing I find bizarre is how hypocritical some of the riders extreme fans are. The bright side is I think riders starting to hit the big time now are more prepared for it cause social media has been around awhile.

TeamRags wrote:

I like this! It makes a lot of sense. I just wonder though, if people didn't start to hate the competing team or rider, would there...

I like this! It makes a lot of sense. I just wonder though, if people didn't start to hate the competing team or rider, would there really be an interest? People pay the high ticket prices, purchase jerseys, posters and memorabilia just to flaunt their support for a particular team or rider. At hockey games, crowds chant that the other team sucks! This is all part of competition from the time we were kids to present. It hasn't changed. My team rules and your team sucks!

It's the competition and love/hate for teams that fuel the professional level. The money comes from you and I! If this sport were easy, you and I would be out there racing with them not yelling from the stands. Give them all respect for their abilities, cheer on your team/rider and keep hating the competitor. Heck, 75% of these riders hate each other!

BD233 wrote:

I agree with you 212, I'm in Texas, we get a lot of pro's riding our local tracks...we go out and watch them practice, jump in...

I agree with you 212, I'm in Texas, we get a lot of pro's riding our local tracks...we go out and watch them practice, jump in and try to hang with them for a corner or two. They always take the time to talk and mess around with the kids and stuff...I honestly think every person posting on this forum has 100% respect for every rider out there as far as what it takes to do this sport at the highest level...but like they stated above, they have a fanpage for all the people who want to say nothing but good things...we come here to have fun and NOT be serious mostly. It's all in good fun. Sometimes it gets out of hand but I personally have never gotten mad or made a comment that was 100% serious about anyone. Don't take things too seroiusly...we are just one big, crazy moto family.

bigcat wrote:

Really, This is your post from this thread!! [url=http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Black-flag,1280474?exclusive_forum_user=false&page=1]http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Black-flag,1280474?exclusive_forum_user=false&page=1[/url] 1/17/2015 10:47 PM Retaliation. Reeds a punk. No respect for him at all. Hang it up old...

Really, This is your post from this thread!!
http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Black-flag,1280474?exclusive_forum_user=false&page=1
1/17/2015 10:47 PM

Retaliation. Reeds a punk. No respect for him at all. Hang it up old man. Black flag that move every time. What a POS.

Riding since 1977.
Black wheels look stupid.

BD233 wrote:

I agree with you 212, I'm in Texas, we get a lot of pro's riding our local tracks...we go out and watch them practice, jump in...

I agree with you 212, I'm in Texas, we get a lot of pro's riding our local tracks...we go out and watch them practice, jump in and try to hang with them for a corner or two. They always take the time to talk and mess around with the kids and stuff...I honestly think every person posting on this forum has 100% respect for every rider out there as far as what it takes to do this sport at the highest level...but like they stated above, they have a fanpage for all the people who want to say nothing but good things...we come here to have fun and NOT be serious mostly. It's all in good fun. Sometimes it gets out of hand but I personally have never gotten mad or made a comment that was 100% serious about anyone. Don't take things too seroiusly...we are just one big, crazy moto family.

bigcat wrote:

Really, This is your post from this thread!! [url=http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Black-flag,1280474?exclusive_forum_user=false&page=1]http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Black-flag,1280474?exclusive_forum_user=false&page=1[/url] 1/17/2015 10:47 PM Retaliation. Reeds a punk. No respect for him at all. Hang it up old...

Really, This is your post from this thread!!
http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Black-flag,1280474?exclusive_forum_user=false&page=1
1/17/2015 10:47 PM

Retaliation. Reeds a punk. No respect for him at all. Hang it up old man. Black flag that move every time. What a POS.

Riding since 1977.
Black wheels look stupid.

plowboy wrote:

Pretty much sums up the difference between "fan of the sport vs fanboy". Good stuff man.

Steve 396 wrote:

Good post OP, now if everyone would just "get it". Being positive goes a long way.

kiwifan wrote:

Then again, this is a forum, people ARE entitled to their opinion about teh sport, the riders, the administration, etc.....thats what a forum is for to...

Then again, this is a forum, people ARE entitled to their opinion about teh sport, the riders, the administration, etc.....thats what a forum is for to discuss these things....sure fans of riders or brands that have er issues are going to become a hot topic and fans of those certain riders or brands will get upset....such is the nature and freedom of open discussion

I suggest to those who dont like the comments in this forum to look elsewhere as you will never be happy with every comment.

I am a racer, have raced for a good many years, thats doesnt make me an expert on all matters but does give me the right to make an opinion if I have one...it may not be agreeable to some but thats life.

ktm212 wrote:

I'm in no way bashing peoples opinions, that's not my goal at all, to be honest I'm super opinionated and maybe that's why I even feel...

I'm in no way bashing peoples opinions, that's not my goal at all, to be honest I'm super opinionated and maybe that's why I even feel this way. I believe Reed was out of line, I dont think Alessi took out Tickle on purpose last year, I believe barcia should calm down, I believe Dungey needs to be more aggressive, and I'm not a huge Stewart fan. I'm simply pointing out, and I'm not targeting anyone in particular, that in a sport we all love and participate in and that we all want to be bigger and better year after year that fans can get sooooo out line when someone goes against their opinion. We credit our sport to being a "big family" and it is, I work at a dealership and strangers come in and we talk for hours like old friends; but the blatant disregard that these guys are just motocross riders like the rest of us, they NORMALLY aren't multi-million dollar athletes (i.e baseball, basketball, ect) that are put on pedestals, they're guys from our local tracks or districts that are only doing what we've dreamed about our whole lives and I think alot of people lose sight of that. Talk to any of these guys on a Tuesday and they're fans just like us, they're people just like us, and they're good guys; I know alot of them. I'm not trying to say anyone's a bad person for liking one guy and not liking someone else but I just see that alot of unneeded disrespect to guys that our essentially just like us.