Gopro's no longer allowed? FIM says no?

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bsharkey 12/20/2014 1:18pm
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AB#81 wrote:
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this gets you the best phootage in my opinion . you can see the track very well and the riders movements as well
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jeffro503 12/20/2014 1:34pm
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Question........

If you have it mounted on top of your helmet.....and it may cause injury......

How would it NOT cause injury being mounted on the forehead part of the helmet?

Different impact area all together. Just wondering why one location may be safer than the other?

Thoughts?
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PFitzG38 12/20/2014 1:46pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Question........ If you have it mounted on top of your helmet.....and it may cause injury...... How would it NOT cause injury being mounted on the forehead...
Question........

If you have it mounted on top of your helmet.....and it may cause injury......

How would it NOT cause injury being mounted on the forehead part of the helmet?

Different impact area all together. Just wondering why one location may be safer than the other?

Thoughts?
When you crash you don't want anything that can snag on the ground on top of your helmet, that's actually one of the design criteria for high end helmets - no sharp angles that can snag the ground. Mounting ANYTHING on you helmet negates that. Hence under the visor mount. your much less likely to impact face first if you have any skill at falling what so ever, plus there is a visor there anyway.....common sense kinda.
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GG83 12/20/2014 2:22pm
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PFitzG38 wrote:
Under visor mount works great with a 6D as well. No vision issues, also acts as an even more effective sun block than just a visor......for...
Under visor mount works great with a 6D as well. No vision issues, also acts as an even more effective sun block than just a visor......for those late motos at Glen Helen.

Anything that can snag your helmet in a crash can't be good.



Yep, but if you do a face plant you'll get a nice GoPro view of your brain ... from the inside of your head ;-) Don't do that my friend !!!

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rt987 12/20/2014 3:08pm
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So what happens if you land head first on a GoPro-sized rock? Would we all have to pick rocks off the track before our moto? Or maybe we should ban rocks? Maybe dirt too?
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BobPA 12/20/2014 3:17pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
Question........ If you have it mounted on top of your helmet.....and it may cause injury...... How would it NOT cause injury being mounted on the forehead...
Question........

If you have it mounted on top of your helmet.....and it may cause injury......

How would it NOT cause injury being mounted on the forehead part of the helmet?

Different impact area all together. Just wondering why one location may be safer than the other?

Thoughts?
PFitzG38 wrote:
When you crash you don't want anything that can snag on the ground on top of your helmet, that's actually one of the design criteria for...
When you crash you don't want anything that can snag on the ground on top of your helmet, that's actually one of the design criteria for high end helmets - no sharp angles that can snag the ground. Mounting ANYTHING on you helmet negates that. Hence under the visor mount. your much less likely to impact face first if you have any skill at falling what so ever, plus there is a visor there anyway.....common sense kinda.
You are basing your common sense theory on what....your opinion? A persons crashing ability? Some big holes in your argument bro.
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Hut 12/20/2014 4:17pm
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Well hopefully GoPro hits the drawing boards and comes up with something that will work. Maybe the lens could be something more compact and remote from the camera body; small enough to remove any safety concerns. We need our GoPro damnit!
wired4speed 12/20/2014 4:26pm
12/20/2014 4:26pm
Who owns the video from these Gopro clips? Is it a safety issue or licensing issue?
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JM485 12/20/2014 5:01pm
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Seems to me the simple solution would be to design a break-away mount that allows the camera to break from the helmet at a certain level of force. Although, it seems like 99% of the time the camera already comes off in a decent crash, so I don't really see what the issue is. Looks like a classic overreaction to me, which is getting way to common.
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wow123 12/20/2014 5:16pm
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nascarnate326 wrote:
Ive always wanted a camera inside a helmet.
i always wanted one inside my pants! lol

with image stabilization they could be mounted on the bike these days

besides the safety matter

imo they look way to big and stupid stuck on top of a helmet,

they also could make them very small and

transmit the data to a unit on the bike, but NO ONE will see it,

they want it big and visible.

many many ways to deal with it

And last season how much did we see?, 2 or 3 laps, pointless
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enketchum 12/20/2014 9:05pm
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This is stupid. The camera in mounted on the helmet because the head is the only part of that rider / bike system that is not "hucking and bucking"

After this ban goes through, I wonder if Sony action cam becomes the main sponsor of the series.
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enketchum 12/20/2014 9:10pm
12/20/2014 9:10pm
Jeff alessi wrote:
It's very true that a camera directly ontop of your head isn't safe, the risk of it compromising the helmets safety is to much risk in...
It's very true that a camera directly ontop of your head isn't safe, the risk of it compromising the helmets safety is to much risk in my opinion and it's very apparent. Helmets company's should have an optional product that has a mounting slot for your type of camera in a safe spot!
Why didn't you share this information with Ray Mejia before he spanked you in Africa on on a gopro?
Motor_Centre 12/20/2014 10:24pm
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Sony Action Cam Goggle Strap Mounted should have min crash resistance to a persons neck or head ?



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IceMan446 12/20/2014 10:27pm
12/20/2014 10:27pm
The FIM deal is only for MXGP, correct?
TripleFive 12/20/2014 11:54pm
12/20/2014 11:54pm
wired4speed wrote:
Who owns the video from these Gopro clips? Is it a safety issue or licensing issue?
Who owns the video from these Gopro clips? Is it a safety issue or licensing issue?
Probably licensing issues.

That's the reason we can't get full SX motos POV; something that I would love.
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CR250Rider 12/21/2014 12:31am
12/21/2014 12:31am Edited Date/Time 12/21/2014 12:35am
No way a ski helmet and a MX helmet are even close in regard to crash resistance

I grow tired of this thing called fim


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kev472 12/21/2014 2:12am
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I like the gopro vids but it kinda makes sense
If you put an extensions on top of a helmet, it creates a longer arm so more torque/force on the riders neck if it was to get snagged on something

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LeoSmith1990 12/21/2014 2:41am
12/21/2014 2:41am
Eeeer guys it's not just the possibility of snagging that can cause injuries. Imagine landing directly on the mount, that's gonna put all the force of the impact through that small patch not dispersing the impact like helmets are designed to do. From what I've heard that's what caused Michael's injury not snagging.
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conwaymx 12/21/2014 4:01am
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its a good way of forcing a sponsorship deal.....
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The Rock 12/21/2014 7:12am
12/21/2014 7:12am
Onepostwonder wrote:
Screw the FIM. Boycott the FIM MXGP's and the FIM MXoN. Hope RV says FU to the FIM and just retires.
Nice to see a real fan of the sport speak up...........
TeamPropainTurbo38t 12/21/2014 7:22am
12/21/2014 7:22am
Politics, bs, if you have ever used a GoPro they almost always break off in an accident. The point where they mount is narrow and flimsy, it'd be like having a wet noodle standing vertical on the ground and you fell off a building and the wet noodle stabbed you and was the cause of your death, not the sudden stop at the bottom. Hell, why haven't they banned shorty gas tank vent tubes, or put mandatory foam padding on the the perch bolts, surprised you can still have foot pegs in the event of an accident.
Jamie_Munro 12/21/2014 8:32am
12/21/2014 8:32am
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I have yet to see a helmet company come out either way on helmet mounted camera's, i would be interested if the helmets still past the...
I have yet to see a helmet company come out either way on helmet mounted camera's, i would be interested if the helmets still past the safety ratings with the the camera's mounted
Giro do a helmet wth a specific mount in
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downard254 12/21/2014 8:47am
12/21/2014 8:47am
How about GoPro give a camera to every rider. What's the FIM going to do then, cancel the series. How would you deal with every participant in your sport running the product. It's like the reverse of going on strike.
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MBR 12/21/2014 10:07am
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Checked this with FIM today (because our team is in talks with GoPro to extend our deal for next year). No final decision has been made yet, but there (at FIM) has been a lot of talk about it since the Schumacher incident (although I personally think it's a lot of different thing). Right now it seems that you will be able to put camera on goggle strap or chest harness or mount it to bike (but you'll need promoters permission for it). Bottom line is that FIM doesn't recommend to attach the camera to riders body and the plan right now is to ban attaching the camera to the helmet. Christmas and everything coming up so final decision won't be made within a next few weeks.

I understand that helmet cam can be a problem with enduro (tree branches that might get stuck and twist your neck) or with road racing (if camera falls off and you hit it 150 mph), but with motocross I don't think it's that big of problem.
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Eddie_E 12/21/2014 10:29am
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An image sensor and lens for these things are smaller than a single "c" size battery. There is no reason that an entire camera body with battery pack and view screen has to be mounted anywhere on the helmet.
]Everything except the image sensor and lens should be in a pouch sewn into your kidney belt, just like an MP3 player.

Whoops_Blitzer 12/21/2014 12:00pm
12/21/2014 12:00pm Edited Date/Time 12/21/2014 12:02pm
Look at this camera from the EARLY FRIGKING NINETIES. Seems like that would be an option. A tiny light camera would enable a tiny light mount, so together they might not present a safety risk. Maybe mount the recording device under the visor, split up the bulk of it. [Oh, kind of like this dude above me said.]

But, yeah, this could just as easily be about money.



Go Pros are hideously impractically shaped, but that shape is a big part of what made it sell.
Jamie_Munro 12/21/2014 1:02pm
12/21/2014 1:02pm
We haven't been able to run them this year in our national DH or enduro series

Caught wearing one, number board removed, results removed.

Bullshit rule set by the fun police , absolutely no evidence that a Gopro or other camera can cause additional damage.

Would seem the FIM have a similar view to British Cycling.

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