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theToothPerry
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12/17/2014 10:47am
vfanell32 wrote:
I agree, post is completely on point except for one thing...There is a HUGE difference between adderall and HGH/PED's. adderall gives a rider no advantage at...
I agree, post is completely on point except for one thing...There is a HUGE difference between adderall and HGH/PED's. adderall gives a rider no advantage at all, especially in the case of being prescribed it.
Serious. All the people out there that have ADD and ADHD need to stay away from professional sports because they have a clear cut advantage...Hahaha yeah.
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12/17/2014 10:50am
vfanell32 wrote:
I agree, post is completely on point except for one thing...There is a HUGE difference between adderall and HGH/PED's. adderall gives a rider no advantage at...
I agree, post is completely on point except for one thing...There is a HUGE difference between adderall and HGH/PED's. adderall gives a rider no advantage at all, especially in the case of being prescribed it.
From an article online... I would say based on this it does give a competitive advantage.

"The potential lure becomes obvious when Dr. Gary Wadler, past chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency's Prohibited List Committee, begins listing off the benefits of Adderall to an athlete.

"It masks fatigue, masks pain, increases arousal — like being in The Zone," begins Wadler, currently an associate professor of medicine at Hofstra North Shore-LIJ School of Medicine, in a phone interview.

"It increases alertness, aggressiveness, attention and concentration. It improves reaction time, especially when fatigued. Some think it enhances hand-eye coordination. Some believe it increases the mental aspects of performance."
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12/17/2014 10:50am
16 months is excessive. That should be an EPO/HGH-esque punishment, not a medication that he got a TUE for (albeit after the fact). If the appeal doesn't do anything to shorten this sentence, I'm guessing Stewart retires.
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12/17/2014 10:51am Edited Date/Time 12/17/2014 10:51am
Funyun wrote:
Get caught doing illegal steroids in the NFL and get banned for FOUR games.... Get caught TWICE and its 10 games... Don't file paperwork for prescription...
Get caught doing illegal steroids in the NFL and get banned for FOUR games.... Get caught TWICE and its 10 games...

Don't file paperwork for prescription adderall in MX get banned for 16 months..... seems legit lol

Its mind blowing that for a first offence for something so minor you get banned for almost 3 seasons
A few years back a Manchester United soccer player (Rio Ferdinand) was banned for eight months and fined £50,000 simply for missing a mandatory drugs test. He'd gone shopping after training and simply forgotten about the test, he even missed representing England at the European Championships.

He requested that a hair sample be taken and used as evidence but even that was refused.

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12/17/2014 11:00am
I might also add that the FIM/WADA taking eight months to reach this decision, giving James no time to go through the appeals process prior to the 2015 season, was not the way to handle this. Amateur hour.
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12/17/2014 11:02am Edited Date/Time 12/17/2014 11:03am
I'm curious the significance of 16? That's a pretty odd number. 6 months 12 months 18 months or just enough time to cover the series makes sense. Why let him back with 2 rounds of outdoors left? Why not just ban him from supercross for a season or sx and MX for a season each. 16 months is either some random BS or something strategic. I can't help but wonder which...
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12/17/2014 11:13am
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Canards mum absolutely nailed it in her facebook post; Gotta get a few things off my chest. First, I have known the Stewarts for a really...
Canards mum absolutely nailed it in her facebook post;

Gotta get a few things off my chest. First, I have known the Stewarts for a really long time, and I like and admire all of them. Secondly, I think the penalty is way too harsh.

All of the riders (say again, all of the riders) were told that they were required to disclose any prescriptions that they were taking (to get a TUE) AHEAD OF TESTING. For whatever reason, Stewart did not. Aderall is not the issue, but a lack of disclosure. Those of you blaming WADA and USADA are out of line (unless your complaint is the length of the penalty).

Those of you complaining about testing at all in SX/MX, do you really want HGH and PED's to be allowed? Not only is this an unfair advantage against people who refuse this, but it is unfair to those riders who cannot afford it. And it's dangerous to the individuals who take it.

To those of you saying you're not going to any races this year, good riddance. You're not a true fan and you are disrespecting all the guys still out there busting their butts and risking injury.

(hope you don't mind me copy and pasting this mom241)
Bingo!
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12/17/2014 11:16am
What happens when CAS reverses FIM decision? Will they just sweep it under the rug?
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12/17/2014 11:28am
VET74 wrote:
From an article online... I would say based on this it does give a competitive advantage. "The potential lure becomes obvious when Dr. Gary Wadler, past...
From an article online... I would say based on this it does give a competitive advantage.

"The potential lure becomes obvious when Dr. Gary Wadler, past chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency's Prohibited List Committee, begins listing off the benefits of Adderall to an athlete.

"It masks fatigue, masks pain, increases arousal — like being in The Zone," begins Wadler, currently an associate professor of medicine at Hofstra North Shore-LIJ School of Medicine, in a phone interview.

"It increases alertness, aggressiveness, attention and concentration. It improves reaction time, especially when fatigued. Some think it enhances hand-eye coordination. Some believe it increases the mental aspects of performance."
Sounds like the former chairman of WADA disagrees with a lot of people on twitter and instagram about Adderall's athletic advantages.
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12/17/2014 11:29am
Jt$ wrote:
Sounds like the former chairman of WADA disagrees with a lot of people on twitter and instagram about Adderall's athletic advantages.
Dont forget Facebook... there a LOT of angry people on there too!
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12/17/2014 11:39am Edited Date/Time 12/17/2014 12:20pm
If the idea that the punishment should fit the crime has any validity whatsoever, this penalty is a travesty of the highest order. A flagrant abuse of power, and a crystal clear example of why Europeans in Europe have no business of any kind telling Americans what they can or cannot do in America. It is time for the FIM to be removed from American racing permanently.
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12/17/2014 11:45am
when was the drug testing set into effect? was it going on from round one of SX? I mean when did they sit down with the riders and say you better have your shit together?
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12/17/2014 11:46am
He's got time to become best friends with Adam Cianciarulo in 2015.
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12/17/2014 11:54am Edited Date/Time 12/17/2014 11:55am
The punishment is entirely too harsh for what amounts to a clerical error by the Stewart group. And the result is that the sport is losing the most talented and entertaining SX rider we have ever seen.

I'm not a Stewart nuthanger, and given his consistentcy records of late, I wasn't expecting him to take the Supercross Championship. But the fact is the season just got less interesting. All sports have stars that draw in viewers thru their combination of talent/ personality/ and personal story and these stars really have a lasting effect on their sports. Bubba is one such athlete. This is a huge loss for the sport.

Furthermore, if those are the rules, then the rules are unfair. The shouts from some saying 'those are the rules so live with it' those hardliners don't seem to comprehend that unfair rules, shouldn't be enforced on anyone but sometimes it takes someone of more stature to make that noticable. Just because it's the rules doesn't mean it's logical and reasonable.
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12/17/2014 12:00pm
Suns_PSD wrote:
The punishment is entirely too harsh for what amounts to a clerical error by the Stewart group. And the result is that the sport is losing...
The punishment is entirely too harsh for what amounts to a clerical error by the Stewart group. And the result is that the sport is losing the most talented and entertaining SX rider we have ever seen.

I'm not a Stewart nuthanger, and given his consistentcy records of late, I wasn't expecting him to take the Supercross Championship. But the fact is the season just got less interesting. All sports have stars that draw in viewers thru their combination of talent/ personality/ and personal story and these stars really have a lasting effect on their sports. Bubba is one such athlete. This is a huge loss for the sport.

Furthermore, if those are the rules, then the rules are unfair. The shouts from some saying 'those are the rules so live with it' those hardliners don't seem to comprehend that unfair rules, shouldn't be enforced on anyone but sometimes it takes someone of more stature to make that noticable. Just because it's the rules doesn't mean it's logical and reasonable.
Great post
12/17/2014 12:02pm Edited Date/Time 12/17/2014 12:03pm
I hope James can appeal this in time to possibly race some supercross. Although the punishment is harsh, the message is clear and there is really no excuses anymore; don't fuck around with stuff on the no-go list.

Seriously, I be surprised if anyone else slips up past this one.
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12/17/2014 12:02pm
I'm a bit confused.

Is he banned from the 2015 Nationals too or not? When RacreX reported earlier this morning that his ban would effect his participation in the nationals too I became confused because they(Lucas Oil Pro Motocross) didnt recognize the first suspension from June, why would they now?
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12/17/2014 12:03pm
I will go on record and say that I think its to harsh.

They should suspend him from April to Dec, erase his results from that time period but allow him a clean slate for 2015.

I don't believe he should be suspended for any races in 2015 and I hope he appeals and wins the right to race in 2015.

He broke the rules, he paid the price retroactively in 2014 and should be cleared to race in 2015.

This should not cost him the results for two seasons! (Technically 4 if you count SX and MX separately).
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12/17/2014 12:05pm
I received both WADA and USADA approvals that prove I’m not cheating

U.S. Anti-Doping Agency - USADA
World Anti-Doping Agency

who the hell is the FIM ?
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12/17/2014 12:05pm
Sandberm wrote:
I'm a bit confused. Is he banned from the 2015 Nationals too or not? When RacreX reported earlier this morning that his ban would effect his...
I'm a bit confused.

Is he banned from the 2015 Nationals too or not? When RacreX reported earlier this morning that his ban would effect his participation in the nationals too I became confused because they(Lucas Oil Pro Motocross) didnt recognize the first suspension from June, why would they now?
I'm pretty sure it prevents him from racing the Outdoor Nationals during his suspension period.
Thanks Foreigners! Angry
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12/17/2014 12:06pm Edited Date/Time 12/17/2014 12:06pm
The FIM could certainly do themselves a favour by explaining how exactly they came to the conclusion that it warranted a 16 month suspension.
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12/17/2014 12:12pm
Sandberm wrote:
I'm a bit confused. Is he banned from the 2015 Nationals too or not? When RacreX reported earlier this morning that his ban would effect his...
I'm a bit confused.

Is he banned from the 2015 Nationals too or not? When RacreX reported earlier this morning that his ban would effect his participation in the nationals too I became confused because they(Lucas Oil Pro Motocross) didnt recognize the first suspension from June, why would they now?
Hut wrote:
I'm pretty sure it prevents him from racing the Outdoor Nationals during his suspension period.
Thanks Foreigners! Angry
Thats whats confusing.

He was banned from FIM competition last summer but the Nationals didnt recognize the ban.

But...now they do. What changed? Davey? Do I have some of my perceptions/facts wrong here?
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12/17/2014 12:13pm
Funyun wrote:
Get caught doing illegal steroids in the NFL and get banned for FOUR games.... Get caught TWICE and its 10 games... Don't file paperwork for prescription...
Get caught doing illegal steroids in the NFL and get banned for FOUR games.... Get caught TWICE and its 10 games...

Don't file paperwork for prescription adderall in MX get banned for 16 months..... seems legit lol

Its mind blowing that for a first offence for something so minor you get banned for almost 3 seasons
jamma10 wrote:
A few years back a Manchester United soccer player (Rio Ferdinand) was banned for eight months and fined £50,000 simply for missing a mandatory drugs test...
A few years back a Manchester United soccer player (Rio Ferdinand) was banned for eight months and fined £50,000 simply for missing a mandatory drugs test. He'd gone shopping after training and simply forgotten about the test, he even missed representing England at the European Championships.

He requested that a hair sample be taken and used as evidence but even that was refused.
I remember that. That sucked.
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12/17/2014 12:15pm
Reading the PR from the FIM it sounds like 1 guy made the decision on the length of the suspension.

"...The case was referred to CDI and Mr Anand Sashidharan of India was appointed by the Director of the International Commission of Judges (CJI) as CDI Single Judge to hear the case..."
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12/17/2014 12:18pm
Sandberm wrote:
I'm a bit confused. Is he banned from the 2015 Nationals too or not? When RacreX reported earlier this morning that his ban would effect his...
I'm a bit confused.

Is he banned from the 2015 Nationals too or not? When RacreX reported earlier this morning that his ban would effect his participation in the nationals too I became confused because they(Lucas Oil Pro Motocross) didnt recognize the first suspension from June, why would they now?
Hut wrote:
I'm pretty sure it prevents him from racing the Outdoor Nationals during his suspension period.
Thanks Foreigners! Angry
Sandberm wrote:
Thats whats confusing. He was banned from FIM competition last summer but the Nationals didnt recognize the ban. But...now they do. What changed? Davey? Do I...
Thats whats confusing.

He was banned from FIM competition last summer but the Nationals didnt recognize the ban.

But...now they do. What changed? Davey? Do I have some of my perceptions/facts wrong here?
I could be wrong but I think it is due to the fact it was a provisional suspension at that point and waiting for a final decision.
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12/17/2014 12:25pm
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I haven't had much time at all to reply to anything because of work has just got me buried. But this makes me sick to my...
I haven't had much time at all to reply to anything because of work has just got me buried. But this makes me sick to my stomach.

I know , I know.........and I'm not saying it was / wasn't James and his teams fault.....I'm just saying as a " fan of this sport "......it really , really sucks to hear this news. If something like this happened to someone like Zach Bell , JM19 , Tomac ( one of the younger dudes ) it still wouldn't feel right.....but at least they have enough time left in their career to still do something when they come back.

To take a guy out of the sport for 16 months at the lime light of his career.....just seems so damn wrong! They couldn't of just made a deal with a hefty fine or something like that? Maybe a combination of some different things? But to totally just remove him from the gate for 16 months ( over a paper work violation or whatever )......I don't know man , just seems really , really wrong!

The past year or two I started to become a bigger JS7 fan.....and for me personally , this just made me a bigger fan.

I also say this ( as I have 100 times before )....I'm a huge advocate for rider safety. And IF this drug makes a guy more alert and lets him become a safer rider......then they should take it off the damned banned list ! Rider safety first imho!
I agree, its terrible to do at the end of a career. I'm gutted for the man. I think some punishment should have been in place, not for using the prescribed drug, but for failing to file the TUE. Absolutely nowhere near 16 months. That is ridiculous. I would say the same thing about any rider if they were in this situation, whether it be the villopoto, stewart, or the last place guy of the LCQ.

I love supercross and I'll still be watching every gate drop, but it is hard to swallow that James won't be there. I can accept Villopoto's absence because he'll be giving us great racing shortly, but the Stewart news sucks. He did some remarkable things on a supercross track and it's sad we won't be witnesses this year.

So if they took away his wins after Seattle, does that mean he no longer holds the 2nd place supercross win position? I can't remember what race he tied RC.
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12/17/2014 12:52pm
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Canards mum absolutely nailed it in her facebook post; Gotta get a few things off my chest. First, I have known the Stewarts for a really...
Canards mum absolutely nailed it in her facebook post;

Gotta get a few things off my chest. First, I have known the Stewarts for a really long time, and I like and admire all of them. Secondly, I think the penalty is way too harsh.

All of the riders (say again, all of the riders) were told that they were required to disclose any prescriptions that they were taking (to get a TUE) AHEAD OF TESTING. For whatever reason, Stewart did not. Aderall is not the issue, but a lack of disclosure. Those of you blaming WADA and USADA are out of line (unless your complaint is the length of the penalty).

Those of you complaining about testing at all in SX/MX, do you really want HGH and PED's to be allowed? Not only is this an unfair advantage against people who refuse this, but it is unfair to those riders who cannot afford it. And it's dangerous to the individuals who take it.

To those of you saying you're not going to any races this year, good riddance. You're not a true fan and you are disrespecting all the guys still out there busting their butts and risking injury.

(hope you don't mind me copy and pasting this mom241)
Olson wrote:
That's the best thing I've heard all day.
No disrepect to Canard, Eli, Kroc, or any of the other guys lining up for A1, but mom241, you know as well as I do, that no one can compete with the excitement level that James brings to the table and or series!
12/17/2014 12:57pm
I think they should have just fined him then made him ride a 2 stroke this season.
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12/17/2014 1:23pm Edited Date/Time 12/17/2014 4:40pm
Let's see what happens with the appeal and move on.
12/17/2014 1:57pm Edited Date/Time 12/17/2014 1:59pm
I, personally, am totally disgusted with this decision. Yes, we all know there should have been a punishment but this is FAR too severe. It was a clerical error for Christ's sake. And WADA said as much when they granted a TUE for next year. To me, the punishment being too severe is more of a crime than...well the crime was. It's like if you were to get 5 years in prison for something that should have warranted a warning or 3-6 months. For a first offense! Not sure who is responsible (WADA, FIM, whoever) but I hope they are happy.

I want our sport to succeed and I love it and am so passionate for it. If I wasn't I would be done with it. Not because of James, but because of how horrible this punishment is for a prescribed prescription that didn't get the proper paper work. It is a fucking joke.

And to James, yes, you broke a rule and should have been punished but this is criminal, in itself. I guess this is what you get for dedicating the last 12 or so years to this organization, revolutionizing MX riding and being one of the all time greats. The FIM are truly thankful, huh?

I'm just pissed off. Forgive me, fellas.

Curious to GuyB's, JT$ and Matthes' thoughts. The thing is, though he is ultimately responsible, you know this was delegated to a team member of JSE. Not James, himself. Any idiot knows that. Yet they come back with this ruling that could effectively end one of the top riders in history's careers.

Fuck, I'm angry.

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