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12/16/2014 10:26pm
How can anyone say Motocross doesn't need WADA. That is beyond ignorant, and just stupid !!

If a sport wants credibility, it needs to ensure that it's athlete's aren't cheating, that is simple.

WADA : World Anti Doping Agency - Promotes, coordinates, and monitors at the international level the fight against doping in sports in all its forms.
12/16/2014 10:33pm
Skippie wrote:
As someone with ADHD who takes Adderal I can definitely say for him it is not performance enhancing. I function normally on Adderal how you function...
As someone with ADHD who takes Adderal I can definitely say for him it is not performance enhancing. I function normally on Adderal how you function without it. That being said according to the rules it was banned and he broke those rules.
I also take it dude, you obviously know how taking an extra 5mg would make you go from pretty calm to a wee bit edgy..

Im not saying Stewart was cheating, I was just pointing out to Hammertime that the meds can have quite noticable P-E-D effects if you take the right dosage, no matter if you are ADHD or not...
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12/16/2014 10:38pm
jasonv43 wrote:
I am looking forward to hearing James side of the story.
JeepnMike wrote:
Do you think we ever will get an actual version of his side of the story and not the typical PR stuff?
Sounds like he wants to talk but had to wait till the right time. That time is now.
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12/16/2014 10:41pm
And the 2015 Canadian national champion is.....

The Shop

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12/16/2014 10:43pm
hammertime wrote:
And the 2015 Canadian national champion is.....
Colton Facciotti Wink
12/16/2014 10:44pm
Not Mike Alessi (again)
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12/16/2014 11:04pm
kiwifan wrote:
thank god thats over, can we concentrate on the 2015 season now?
kiwifan wrote:
oh its not over, he is appealing the decision.....
Crush wrote:
How's Irene?
huh?
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12/16/2014 11:11pm
Chris Davis gets a 25 game suspension before getting a TUE, which was approved for 2015. I don't get how Stew's was accepted in 2014, but...
Chris Davis gets a 25 game suspension before getting a TUE, which was approved for 2015. I don't get how Stew's was accepted in 2014, but he gets punished for 2015. It is what it is, can't say I'm surprised but it is a damn shame.
bd wrote:
So Chris Davis missed 15.4% of the season and people are predicting James Bubba Stewart will miss 100% of the season. [b]Where are the FIM and...
So Chris Davis missed 15.4% of the season and people are predicting James Bubba Stewart will miss 100% of the season. Where are the FIM and WADA apologists - care to defend this penalty? Is it fair? Was the length of the process fair.
Chris Davis didn't miss 15.4% of the season because that's what MLB thought was fair. If MLB had it their way they would probably suspend a year at least. They have a players' union that knows their athletes are wanting to use this stuff and has the power to negotiate a short suspension.
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12/16/2014 11:14pm Edited Date/Time 12/16/2014 11:16pm
true, but you are assuming that he does need to take it, if WADA/FIM/whoever has evidence that he doesnt need to take it, then its a totally different kettle of fish

If he does need to take it he still broke the rules by not doing a TUE until after he was tested positive ...isnt it THAT simple?


So lets stop assuming and move on until the real facts come out

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12/16/2014 11:15pm
SwapperMX wrote:
How can anyone say Motocross doesn't need WADA. That is beyond ignorant, and just stupid !! If a sport wants credibility, it needs to ensure that...
How can anyone say Motocross doesn't need WADA. That is beyond ignorant, and just stupid !!

If a sport wants credibility, it needs to ensure that it's athlete's aren't cheating, that is simple.

WADA : World Anti Doping Agency - Promotes, coordinates, and monitors at the international level the fight against doping in sports in all its forms.
Exactly right, and for once I feel like this sort has more credibility than it ever has.

The timing may have been a joke to some and quite possibly could've been better, but people need to realize WADA and FIM have more on their plate than James Stewart's failed doping test. Throw some lawyers in the mix and it's instantly a drawn out process.
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12/16/2014 11:38pm
kiwifan wrote:
oh its not over, he is appealing the decision.....
Crush wrote:
How's Irene?
kiwifan wrote:
huh?
Qouting your own answer. Me, Myself and Irene. Have you gone mad?
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12/16/2014 11:39pm
Few people are claiming Stewart didn't make a mistake, we just feel that the punishment is excessive and the whole process seemed to be conducted very poorly. It's really too bad, I was looking forward to seeing him out there.
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12/16/2014 11:45pm
Gutted that we will never see one of the greats, hammer the whoops or jump quads like no one else, ever again. RIP JS7
12/16/2014 11:47pm Edited Date/Time 12/16/2014 11:52pm
Crush wrote:
Qouting your own answer. Me, Myself and Irene. Have you gone mad?
Shit crush, ive had a few beers and thought you were quoting me... haha
12/16/2014 11:55pm
bd wrote:
BINGO.... maybe this will get the riders to start a union. Someone needs to protect these folks too.
What good would a riders union do Stewart ? Do you think all the riders who followed the rules would stand up for the rider who didnt ? I bet a lot of the riders are glad he is out even though they wont say it, not just because he got caught but because most of the riders cant beat him. You think any of the players in major league baseball were crying for Mark McGwire or Jose Canseco
or the riders who feel bad for Lance Armstrong nope,those guys are despised by their peers and I doubt many pros are upset with Stewarts punishment even though the fans may think its excessive.
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12/17/2014 12:03am
Rules are rules. When he takes that drug he knew what might happen.
I like JS7, but cheaters got what they deserve.
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12/17/2014 12:09am
bd wrote:
BINGO.... maybe this will get the riders to start a union. Someone needs to protect these folks too.
lostboy819 wrote:
What good would a riders union do Stewart ? Do you think all the riders who followed the rules would stand up for the rider who...
What good would a riders union do Stewart ? Do you think all the riders who followed the rules would stand up for the rider who didnt ? I bet a lot of the riders are glad he is out even though they wont say it, not just because he got caught but because most of the riders cant beat him. You think any of the players in major league baseball were crying for Mark McGwire or Jose Canseco
or the riders who feel bad for Lance Armstrong nope,those guys are despised by their peers and I doubt many pros are upset with Stewarts punishment even though the fans may think its excessive.
What would a union do during this situation:

- Pressure WADA and FIM to quickly come to resolution (this did not happen in this case)
- After penalty has been placed on rider, rider with assistance of union gets to quickly dispute penalty (example from 1 year to 6 rounds)
- After dispute, penalty placed on rider

Additional note: riders have say "collectively" on penalties and rules. And yes, I feel they should be part of the process.

* You have absolutely no idea what the riders think - let's not assume.
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12/17/2014 12:09am
moscrop940 wrote:
First off Chris, I went through the sheriff academy for riverside county, so your assessment on my views on law enforcement are 0/1 2nd my point...
First off Chris, I went through the sheriff academy for riverside county, so your assessment on my views on law enforcement are 0/1

2nd my point is no one wanted WADA or USADA in the first place. I don't ever remember anyone asking the masses if they believe it was a good idea. It's a small tightknit group of men deciding what is best for all of us.

Kinda like our very own government. A privileged few decide for the masses. That's my problem.

I'm going back to playing with my coloring books now, because apparently I'm a fucking toddler
Clearly the people who run the sport and are held accountable for how it is managed and its public image to spectators and sponsors wanted a recognised independent drug testing body to try and ensure the sport is clean from drugs.

Unlike your government analogy, this isn't a democracy.
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12/17/2014 12:09am
Crush wrote:
Qouting your own answer. Me, Myself and Irene. Have you gone mad?
motokiwi wrote:
Shit crush, ive had a few beers and thought you were quoting me... haha
Hahahaha, have a few more!
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12/17/2014 12:16am
I agree that there needs to be some form of punishment, but that is extreme. Hope that he wins the appeal and the suspension is shortened.
12/17/2014 12:23am
on your # 2, how is the FIM being inconsistent? the last time a rider tested positive for a banned substance, they suspended him for a month, then WADA appealed and he was then suspended for 18 months, if Stew gets 18 months, then they are being consistent, (and from the time of infringement, that would put him out of the entire 15 season)

and on # 3, why should the fact he is a contender next year make a difference to the penalty, does someone that might not win deserve a different punishment?
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12/17/2014 12:28am
Wanna know Bubba's side? He's like super addicted to adderal.

Oh wait, no he's not, he has ADD and now the most talented rider to this day will not be on the track in one of his final seasons and this whole thing just turned out to be a huge failure.

Pissed.
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12/17/2014 12:28am
moscrop940 wrote:
Bullshit. Pure bullshit. Paperwork? Ending a legends career because of some fucking paperwork? Bullshit. Sure, where do you draw the line? Where does it end? Right...
Bullshit. Pure bullshit.

Paperwork? Ending a legends career because of some fucking paperwork? Bullshit.

Sure, where do you draw the line? Where does it end? Right here. This is where the line is. It's fucking adderall people, not heroin. Stewart has paid his price, a "time served" of sorts.

This is the problem with America now adays. Everyone has their fingers in the pot making rules and making changes not a
single one of us wanted.

Who the fuck is WADA? who the fuck is
USADA? They are nothing more then an unwanted addition to our sport that is doing nothing but driving up the cost of ticket prices for us fans who struggle to afford seats for our families.

I have done my best to stay neutral on this topic, but I can't hold it in anymore. Im not even a huge stewart fan, i would feel the same if this happened to a privateer. WADA and USADA can get fucked.
ChrisB10 wrote:
You have the rationale of a 5 year old. That "paperwork" was to get an exemption for a PED. You act like he forgot to take...
You have the rationale of a 5 year old. That "paperwork" was to get an exemption for a PED. You act like he forgot to take the trash out. That's serious shit man. It's harsh and everyone is bummed but it's James' fault! Stop blaming FIM for enforcing the rules. You're probably the guy who says he hates cops and says it's bullshit when you get a speeding ticket for 20 over. Try to act like an adult here...
moscrop940 wrote:
First off Chris, I went through the sheriff academy for riverside county, so your assessment on my views on law enforcement are 0/1 2nd my point...
First off Chris, I went through the sheriff academy for riverside county, so your assessment on my views on law enforcement are 0/1

2nd my point is no one wanted WADA or USADA in the first place. I don't ever remember anyone asking the masses if they believe it was a good idea. It's a small tightknit group of men deciding what is best for all of us.

Kinda like our very own government. A privileged few decide for the masses. That's my problem.

I'm going back to playing with my coloring books now, because apparently I'm a fucking toddler
When you say the masses who you actually referring to? The fans or the riders?
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12/17/2014 12:33am
moscrop940 wrote:
First off Chris, I went through the sheriff academy for riverside county, so your assessment on my views on law enforcement are 0/1 2nd my point...
First off Chris, I went through the sheriff academy for riverside county, so your assessment on my views on law enforcement are 0/1

2nd my point is no one wanted WADA or USADA in the first place. I don't ever remember anyone asking the masses if they believe it was a good idea. It's a small tightknit group of men deciding what is best for all of us.

Kinda like our very own government. A privileged few decide for the masses. That's my problem.

I'm going back to playing with my coloring books now, because apparently I'm a fucking toddler
ando wrote:
Clearly the people who run the sport and are held accountable for how it is managed and its public image to spectators and sponsors wanted a...
Clearly the people who run the sport and are held accountable for how it is managed and its public image to spectators and sponsors wanted a recognised independent drug testing body to try and ensure the sport is clean from drugs.

Unlike your government analogy, this isn't a democracy.
You make a great point, and an educated one at that. For that I give you kudos

I guess my whole point is that decisions are being made are those that, and I'm guessing here, is unwanted by 95% of all the people who actually pay for this shit to happen. I don't like decisions being made with no say so by those who foot the bill. That was where I was trying to draw a corolation between our government and WADA/USADA/FIM/AMA.

And for those that say "well now this will get us into the limelight because we are viewd as a legitimate sport because of the testing". Bullshit

Name the last time you watched a sporting event and thought to yourself " I hope these men and woman are tested properly to ensure that no one is cheating"? Never. Never fucking ever.

If tomorrow NASCAR made an announcement that they are no longer drug testing do you think that ratings would go down by even .1%? Highly doubtful....

shit, if I heard tomorrow they were going to stop checking for steroids in the MLB I would buy an opening day ticket and sit in the outfield with my mit! Would make it a hell of a lot more exciting! HaTongue
12/17/2014 12:41am
Wildeye511 wrote:
I agree that there needs to be some form of punishment, but that is extreme. Hope that he wins the appeal and the suspension is shortened.
If the appeal takes as long as everything else it could be the end of the 2016 season before they make a ruling. Blush
12/17/2014 12:45am
moscrop940 wrote:
You make a great point, and an educated one at that. For that I give you kudos I guess my whole point is that decisions are...
You make a great point, and an educated one at that. For that I give you kudos

I guess my whole point is that decisions are being made are those that, and I'm guessing here, is unwanted by 95% of all the people who actually pay for this shit to happen. I don't like decisions being made with no say so by those who foot the bill. That was where I was trying to draw a corolation between our government and WADA/USADA/FIM/AMA.

And for those that say "well now this will get us into the limelight because we are viewd as a legitimate sport because of the testing". Bullshit

Name the last time you watched a sporting event and thought to yourself " I hope these men and woman are tested properly to ensure that no one is cheating"? Never. Never fucking ever.

If tomorrow NASCAR made an announcement that they are no longer drug testing do you think that ratings would go down by even .1%? Highly doubtful....

shit, if I heard tomorrow they were going to stop checking for steroids in the MLB I would buy an opening day ticket and sit in the outfield with my mit! Would make it a hell of a lot more exciting! HaTongue
i dont think your figure of 95% of people that run the sport didnt want testing is wrong,

a couple of years ago on here people were calling the sport a laughing stock for not having testing, riders like Reed and RV were calling for more testing, Jeff and Tony Alessi were saying that top riders were on PED's, I think the majority wanted testing,

some people on here at the time said that me may not want what we wished for, and it seems that they were right,
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12/17/2014 12:46am
moscrop940 wrote:
First off Chris, I went through the sheriff academy for riverside county, so your assessment on my views on law enforcement are 0/1 2nd my point...
First off Chris, I went through the sheriff academy for riverside county, so your assessment on my views on law enforcement are 0/1

2nd my point is no one wanted WADA or USADA in the first place. I don't ever remember anyone asking the masses if they believe it was a good idea. It's a small tightknit group of men deciding what is best for all of us.

Kinda like our very own government. A privileged few decide for the masses. That's my problem.

I'm going back to playing with my coloring books now, because apparently I'm a fucking toddler
ando wrote:
Clearly the people who run the sport and are held accountable for how it is managed and its public image to spectators and sponsors wanted a...
Clearly the people who run the sport and are held accountable for how it is managed and its public image to spectators and sponsors wanted a recognised independent drug testing body to try and ensure the sport is clean from drugs.

Unlike your government analogy, this isn't a democracy.
moscrop940 wrote:
You make a great point, and an educated one at that. For that I give you kudos I guess my whole point is that decisions are...
You make a great point, and an educated one at that. For that I give you kudos

I guess my whole point is that decisions are being made are those that, and I'm guessing here, is unwanted by 95% of all the people who actually pay for this shit to happen. I don't like decisions being made with no say so by those who foot the bill. That was where I was trying to draw a corolation between our government and WADA/USADA/FIM/AMA.

And for those that say "well now this will get us into the limelight because we are viewd as a legitimate sport because of the testing". Bullshit

Name the last time you watched a sporting event and thought to yourself " I hope these men and woman are tested properly to ensure that no one is cheating"? Never. Never fucking ever.

If tomorrow NASCAR made an announcement that they are no longer drug testing do you think that ratings would go down by even .1%? Highly doubtful....

shit, if I heard tomorrow they were going to stop checking for steroids in the MLB I would buy an opening day ticket and sit in the outfield with my mit! Would make it a hell of a lot more exciting! HaTongue
Your assessment of my views on drugs in sport are 0/1.

While I've never specifically had that thought while watching an event, my assumption is that everyone is clean, and I silently cheer whenever an athlete is found guilty of using performance enhancing drugs.

And if they wiped out the top 20 riders from A1 for using PED's, I wouldn't shed a single tear.

You see the thing is, the real argument is not about whether athletes should have the right to use PED's, it's that every athlete should have the right to compete equally WITHOUT using PED's. The vast majority of people arguing against drug testing in sport fail to see that.

Think about this - your child has the talent to be among the best in the world, and then at some point you (and him/her) realise that the only way to get to the next level is to start using PED's of some sort.

Is that the kind of sporting environment we really want?
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12/17/2014 12:54am
When MXSports brought the USADA group in, it was after a round table where all the teams agreed and decided that it should happen.... So i'd say it's actually about 100% do want it in.

I bet Suzuki will even say they're in favour of it in the end, they're just in the position where their star rider didn't read the rules of the sport he was involved in.
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12/17/2014 1:04am
Glad he got punished but 1 year is to long in this sport. Maybe 4 races in each series but 1 full year is little much Imo. But then again rules are rules and according to other cases it could have been 2 years
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12/17/2014 1:07am
This is Busch league.

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