Why do the 450 pros want smooth tracks?

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Why does the premier class riders (the "best in the world") want a smooth track at the outdoor nationals? On amateur day the track is already 50% rougher than what the pros run. And now they want it smoother? Why?
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I thought motocross was supposed to be rough!
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vet954 wrote:
Why does the premier class riders (the "best in the world") want a smooth track at the outdoor nationals? On amateur day the track is already...
Why does the premier class riders (the "best in the world") want a smooth track at the outdoor nationals? On amateur day the track is already 50% rougher than what the pros run. And now they want it smoother? Why?
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stizzle wrote:
I thought motocross was supposed to be rough!
I guess we (and stanton, ward, johnson, etc) were all wrong with this assumption.

MX Sports figured out what all of us could not. Way to go guys! Damn your smart!
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Miaooww - Translation - Our vaginas hurt on rough tracks please give us smooth ones.Sick

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vet954 wrote:
Why does the premier class riders (the "best in the world") want a smooth track at the outdoor nationals? On amateur day the track is already...
Why does the premier class riders (the "best in the world") want a smooth track at the outdoor nationals? On amateur day the track is already 50% rougher than what the pros run. And now they want it smoother? Why?
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If you rip the entire track 18" deep, watered in hard 36 hours before, and left it alone on race day like you do then you will have perfected track design.
As it stands the GP tracks are rougher, tougher, and faster than anything in the USA.

This is only until the GP's are all run at horse tracks, car tracks, etc.

At that point you guys are fag only like supercross.


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To haul ass!
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vet954 wrote:
Why does the premier class riders (the "best in the world") want a smooth track at the outdoor nationals? On amateur day the track is already...
Why does the premier class riders (the "best in the world") want a smooth track at the outdoor nationals? On amateur day the track is already 50% rougher than what the pros run. And now they want it smoother? Why?
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vet954 wrote:
If you rip the entire track 18" deep, watered in hard 36 hours before, and left it alone on race day like you do then you...
If you rip the entire track 18" deep, watered in hard 36 hours before, and left it alone on race day like you do then you will have perfected track design.
As it stands the GP tracks are rougher, tougher, and faster than anything in the USA.

This is only until the GP's are all run at horse tracks, car tracks, etc.

At that point you guys are fag only like supercross.


Coolio . Pussies of the world unite !
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After the practice sessions the track is well rutted and bumped up. By the time moto 1 for both classes is done, the track is hammered.
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cause the 450 will whoop ya @$$
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Camp332 wrote:
After the practice sessions the track is well rutted and bumped up. By the time moto 1 for both classes is done, the track is hammered.
haha... on a normal year.


This wasnt the case in 2007 or 2008 at most tracks...


I remember i used to watch on TV and go HOLY SHIT that place was rough...


When i went to almost all of them in 2007 i expected southwick to be the roughest of all.


It was pretty damn smooth all weekend!


I hope MX Sports can bring the MX back into our sport.
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WHY?
Because vet954 is nothing but a glorified sissy ass crying negative bitch hole...
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Remember the Lakewood night race where bumps were outlawed?
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they did the same thing a few years ago at the USGP at Hollister. the euros wouldnt let the support class even practice till after their second moto, no one stuck around for the support class. the same as no one is going to stay for the lites. the new format will be the start of the end of the outdoor nationals.
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vet954 wrote:
Why does the premier class riders (the "best in the world") want a smooth track at the outdoor nationals? On amateur day the track is already...
Why does the premier class riders (the "best in the world") want a smooth track at the outdoor nationals? On amateur day the track is already 50% rougher than what the pros run. And now they want it smoother? Why?
Why are some message board posters so bitter? Smile
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slomoto... no one was staying for the 2nd 450 motos this year... lites seems to be more interesting and less predictable.
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vet954 wrote:
Why does the premier class riders (the "best in the world") want a smooth track at the outdoor nationals? On amateur day the track is already...
Why does the premier class riders (the "best in the world") want a smooth track at the outdoor nationals? On amateur day the track is already 50% rougher than what the pros run. And now they want it smoother? Why?
i think they want the "new" fresh track at least one time during sunday..er saturday.

2nd moto will still be a bitch

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the tracks are very smooth now I have tapes from the nationals in the 90s and early 2000s - alot rougher

GP tracks are far rougher now, and they ride two days per GP and the tracks are not graded after the Saturday as far as I'm aware, I was walking back from the des nations track and some of the AMerican team members where behind me and they said the US tracks need to stop grooming between motos because if it continues Team USA are gogin to start struggling at the des nations becasue the tracks are so much rougher.

Real Motocross = GP racing
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It makes sense to clean up the track after the AM day. Novice lines, and National Pro lines are quite different. Shit, what is the deal with AM day with the new rules? Does it happen on Sundays now?

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yea I think its on Sundays now
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Throw my comment right out the window.
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slomoto wrote:
they did the same thing a few years ago at the USGP at Hollister. the euros wouldnt let the support class even practice till after their...
they did the same thing a few years ago at the USGP at Hollister. the euros wouldnt let the support class even practice till after their second moto, no one stuck around for the support class. the same as no one is going to stay for the lites. the new format will be the start of the end of the outdoor nationals.
So you think most people would rather head home early than stay and acknowledge Searle and Pourcel running top 3 each race next year? Wink Cheerful
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Cleaning up the track after the AM day does not mean Sunday will be smooth. But smoothing the track during the day on Sunday is what you want to avoid. A rough track is an advantage to a good rider. ANYONE can go fast on a smooth track.
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Catch up, Croon. Pro Nationals are being held on Saturdays, and Am day is Sunday with the new changes Coombs made.
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I expect running 450's first next year is less about having a smooth track and more about having more lead time for production of the broadcast that night. Same day provides a lot less margin for error.
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I'm not for smoothing the MX tracks during the races...but, it would be dangerous to run night races without doing something. There was no choice at Lakewood but to smooth it out IMO.

Of course, if they run it during the day (like MX is supposed to run) wouldn't be such a problem with shadows...
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450 is the Premier class, so it does not look good when the 250's run the same lap times {some of the reason being a smoother track}. Also with a one day format, the races could start a little later in the day. I went to 4 Nationals this year, and many people left after the 2nd lites moto. Just a long day for some, especially with smaller children. The diehards will stay for the 250 {lites} class this year because it does offer closer racing and more passing.
Marketing would be your number 1 reason{not that 450's want a smoother track}
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WHY?
Because vet954 is nothing but a glorified sissy ass crying negative bitch hole...
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'coz a 1' bump on a 450 at pro speed is like a canyon for vet954.
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FreshTopEnd wrote:
I expect running 450's first next year is less about having a smooth track and more about having more lead time for production of the broadcast...
I expect running 450's first next year is less about having a smooth track and more about having more lead time for production of the broadcast that night. Same day provides a lot less margin for error.
Running the 450's first has all to do with, do I really have to point this out to you all ?? It's the premier class and people are leaving after the 2nd 250cc moto, by moving the 450's first people will stay to the bitter end to watch the 450's first and the 250's last !!

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slomoto wrote:
they did the same thing a few years ago at the USGP at Hollister. the euros wouldnt let the support class even practice till after their...
they did the same thing a few years ago at the USGP at Hollister. the euros wouldnt let the support class even practice till after their second moto, no one stuck around for the support class. the same as no one is going to stay for the lites. the new format will be the start of the end of the outdoor nationals.
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So you think most people would rather head home early than stay and acknowledge Searle and Pourcel running top 3 each race next year? Wink Cheerful
Nobody will stay for the end of the 2nd 250 moto. The monster crowds at the Nats will be a thing of the past. But The money will be the same for the promoter because amateur rider numbers for Sunday will be pretty good.

Sunday will be far more important to the promoter than Sat.

Its pretty sad when you have to work the Amatuers in with Pro weekend to make this deal work. Its just proof that this sport is dead in the water at the Pro level when it cannot support itself without the help of Amatuers.

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