McGrath's Thoughts on The GOAT

eightbitmotocrosser 9/26/2014 9:18am
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I still think MC is the Goat of SX. Everyone can speculate what would have happened if RC hung around a few more years and raced...
I still think MC is the Goat of SX. Everyone can speculate what would have happened if RC hung around a few more years and raced in 2004. I believe RC was planning on racing the CRF450 that year because he didn't like the CR250. I don't think he would have beat Reed in 04 if he had stuck with the CR250 and I think 05 would have been a lot closer if Reed would have raced the 04 YZ250. In 07 I think JS would have won the title. I don't think RC would have won 27 more races. How many race wins would MC have if he raced the 93 CR250 in 97? I wonder if he would have more won more races if he was able to ride that instead of the YZ250? No one will ever know.
I agree with this. MC the GOAT of SX, RC the GOAT of MX.

No way RC was going to beat Stewart for the 07 SX title. The few races that he did race, James beat him with room to spare unless he crashed. I believe he even beat Ricky at RC's home turf, Daytona, in 2007.
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The only thing I can guarantee is that Jeremy and Ricky care a lot less about this than some of the guys arguing about it.

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JW381 9/26/2014 9:20am
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Ricky has way more championships than MC. He rode supercross AND motocross. Therefore his seasons were much tougher than MC and he deserves the title G.O.A.T.
Stopped reading here. Agree 100%. Honestly MC is a phenomenal legend of our sport but his ego is getting a little butt hurt, it sounds like. I'm sure Ricky just chuckled when he saw that shit. Jeremy has the SX titles down, but Ricky has SX, MX, 125, MXdN, beating James, beating Chad, beating MC, K-Dub, you name it and Ricky can lay claim to it, except for the 7 titles and 72 wins. Obviously Jeremy was a fierce competitor but Ricky is the greatest to live, thus far.
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Stopped reading here. Agree 100%. Honestly MC is a phenomenal legend of our sport but his ego is getting a little butt hurt, it sounds like...
Stopped reading here. Agree 100%. Honestly MC is a phenomenal legend of our sport but his ego is getting a little butt hurt, it sounds like. I'm sure Ricky just chuckled when he saw that shit. Jeremy has the SX titles down, but Ricky has SX, MX, 125, MXdN, beating James, beating Chad, beating MC, K-Dub, you name it and Ricky can lay claim to it, except for the 7 titles and 72 wins. Obviously Jeremy was a fierce competitor but Ricky is the greatest to live, thus far.
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JerseyFresh 9/26/2014 9:25am
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O___o wrote:
The only thing I can guarantee is that Jeremy and Ricky care a lot less about this than some of the guys arguing about it.

Then you can only imagine how much we care about your opinion on us. Plus, we're not arguing, we're bench racing which is what this forum is for.
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FroDiddy 9/26/2014 9:29am
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MC is the King, RC is the goat. I wonder how much closer RC would have been in wins had he not sat out the 2004...
MC is the King, RC is the goat.
I wonder how much closer RC would have been in wins had he not sat out the 2004 SX season.
Had #7 not "sat out" the '08 and '10 seasons he'd be on MC heels for SX wins.

I'd be a little salty if I were McGrath too. RJ has also expressed his dislike of the GOAT moniker.

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JW381 9/26/2014 9:41am
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Stopped reading here. Agree 100%. Honestly MC is a phenomenal legend of our sport but his ego is getting a little butt hurt, it sounds like...
Stopped reading here. Agree 100%. Honestly MC is a phenomenal legend of our sport but his ego is getting a little butt hurt, it sounds like. I'm sure Ricky just chuckled when he saw that shit. Jeremy has the SX titles down, but Ricky has SX, MX, 125, MXdN, beating James, beating Chad, beating MC, K-Dub, you name it and Ricky can lay claim to it, except for the 7 titles and 72 wins. Obviously Jeremy was a fierce competitor but Ricky is the greatest to live, thus far.
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Greatest in SX?
No. Just greatest overall. Most wins, most championships, more well rounded, beat more guys (IMO). And more MXdN titles, which means a lot in the Grand comparison. That's why I have zero issue with referring to him as the greatest of all time.
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bsharkey 9/26/2014 9:41am
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it wouldn t be so bad if everyone wouldn't quit bring it up. you can always see Rc smile when they ask him about it. He KNOWS it bugs Jeremy too
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JW381 9/26/2014 9:46am
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it wouldn t be so bad if everyone wouldn't quit bring it up. you can always see Rc smile when they ask him about it. He...
it wouldn t be so bad if everyone wouldn't quit bring it up. you can always see Rc smile when they ask him about it. He KNOWS it bugs Jeremy too
And he knows he's the GOAT!
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FLmxer 9/26/2014 10:06am
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MC was like the triple to RC. You respect it and double in but then you keep smashing into the third one and realize you got this and just go for it and own it and then own it for good. Yes just like that. ROFLOL
No really no one races like RC, he was the best and made zero excuses and now it is all excuses. I think RC would of beat RV pretty easily during his peak as well. James came after that and RC beat him easily even after he had accomplished everything he dreamed. Normally anyone would loose some drive after that but he still won and won till the very day he walked. GOAT all day. Sorry MC you were amazing at SX but Rc owned this sport and made it his biotch and it isn't over yet.
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JerseyFresh 9/26/2014 10:30am
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MC was like the triple to RC. You respect it and double in but then you keep smashing into the third one and realize you got...
MC was like the triple to RC. You respect it and double in but then you keep smashing into the third one and realize you got this and just go for it and own it and then own it for good. Yes just like that. ROFLOL
No really no one races like RC, he was the best and made zero excuses and now it is all excuses. I think RC would of beat RV pretty easily during his peak as well. James came after that and RC beat him easily even after he had accomplished everything he dreamed. Normally anyone would loose some drive after that but he still won and won till the very day he walked. GOAT all day. Sorry MC you were amazing at SX but Rc owned this sport and made it his biotch and it isn't over yet.


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bd 9/26/2014 11:59am
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Curious as to who has the best sx win percentage of all time. Anyone know?
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I believe some posted these stats lately and it was RV with the best sx win percentage. Mc, RC and JS were all pretty close. Hell...
I believe some posted these stats lately and it was RV with the best sx win percentage. Mc, RC and JS were all pretty close. Hell they were all pretty close it was like 42-44% for all four. Maybe it was in racerx.
Back out MC's "part time" races for realistic analysis
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Zracer wrote:
Curious as to who has the best sx win percentage of all time. Anyone know?
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I believe some posted these stats lately and it was RV with the best sx win percentage. Mc, RC and JS were all pretty close. Hell...
I believe some posted these stats lately and it was RV with the best sx win percentage. Mc, RC and JS were all pretty close. Hell they were all pretty close it was like 42-44% for all four. Maybe it was in racerx.
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Back out MC's "part time" races for realistic analysis
I think this may be from 2011 or 2012 so RV would be higher up, but no one has topped Stewart yet. RC never surpassed MC in win percentage in SX.

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Azcrf331 9/26/2014 12:36pm
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But who does everyone think of of as the baddest, fittest dude to ride a dirt bike RC-I can't remember what outdoor race but Bailey said on the broadcast that just watching RC ride hurt him just because of his aggressive 110% style. I'm just so glad that I got to see RC ride. Dude went undefeated outdoors on both a 2t and 4t.
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bd 9/26/2014 1:39pm
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First RJ, now MC..... would love to see modern day reincarnations (at this moment: bike, fitness, moto intelligence: latest techniques) line up:

Greatest supercross: Barnett, MC, RC, CR, RV, RJ, JMB, Stanton, Hannah, O'Mara, Emig, Bubba, Glover, Dungey, Wardy, db

MC was on a superior bike from 1993 to 1996 and one of the best bikes from 1998 to 2002. Limited injuries. Villo, Stew, db, O'Mara, Hannah and RJ careers were damaged by injuries. Its would be one hell of a race. These riders: Decoster, Hannah, RJ, MC, GOAT, and Villo are the best of their era. They were a dominating force.
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bd 9/26/2014 1:46pm
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As far as I'm concerned, MC's dominance in SX had to do with the fact that he grew up racing BMX. He had better timing and...
As far as I'm concerned, MC's dominance in SX had to do with the fact that he grew up racing BMX. He had better timing and rhythm than his competitors. He was the most influential ,maybe. He changed the game as far as technique and staying low over jumps. RC's dominance can just not be questioned as far as I'm concerned. McGrath just didnt have the speed outdoors. One 250 championship. How is that the greatest?
Going to argue Supercross and Motocross are two different sports. Hannah changed the sport, RJ changed the sport, MC changed the sport, RC changed the sport, JS7 changed the sport and now...... Villo. Whose next?
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I believe some posted these stats lately and it was RV with the best sx win percentage. Mc, RC and JS were all pretty close. Hell...
I believe some posted these stats lately and it was RV with the best sx win percentage. Mc, RC and JS were all pretty close. Hell they were all pretty close it was like 42-44% for all four. Maybe it was in racerx.
bd wrote:
Back out MC's "part time" races for realistic analysis
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I think this may be from 2011 or 2012 so RV would be higher up, but no one has topped Stewart yet. RC never surpassed MC...
I think this may be from 2011 or 2012 so RV would be higher up, but no one has topped Stewart yet. RC never surpassed MC in win percentage in SX.

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MXA just put a recent analysis in its mag.
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bd 9/26/2014 1:48pm
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Jeremy just needs to get over it. Instead of being offended by it, his reply should always be that RC came up "short" on his SX...
Jeremy just needs to get over it. Instead of being offended by it, his reply should always be that RC came up "short" on his SX record. The record books speak for themselves and his record will not be broken anytime soon. Not even the FMOTP could pull it off. King, Goat, FMOTP...blah, blah , blah. He's Jeremy F'n McGrath. Anybody who knows anything about the sport knows who he is.

Now as far as people he should hold a grudge against, who was that that dressed RC up as a king? That was the big F' you to Jeremy if there ever was one. RC was even against it.



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mark_swart 9/26/2014 2:25pm
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I know it's would have, could have, should have, but RC retired at 27-28? If he had of stuck around for a few more years I...
I know it's would have, could have, should have, but RC retired at 27-28? If he had of stuck around for a few more years I believe he was plenty capable of at least equaling MC's SX title wins. I think MC gets caught up in the whole goat thing way more than he should.
Waaaay more than he should...

I was there for both eras, and I"m sorry to break this to MC but the numbers don't lie. It has to be a combination of both disciplines. "Greatest of All Time" sounds like a pretty accurate title for RC, and I don't think MC should be offended by it because Ricky actually won more races and championships. No need to be bitter....hell he's still the king of supercross, and that's not a bad title to have!

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I haven't read all the arguments, but all I have to say is 'Supercross-only' You can't be called the Greatest of all Time when you puss out on half, and toughest part of the season, for what 3 or 4 years?

Yes, I'm still pissed at MC for doing that.
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When you retire from full time racing with 15 titles at the age of 26 its undeniably clear who the GOAT is. At the age of 28 RC had 5 SX titles and 46 wins, which was more than MC had at that age. He had nothing left to prove. He won so many more races than MC did, and when he went outdoors he got even better. If RC stayed it in as long as MC did he would have eclipsed all his SX marks while pushing his MX marks further into the stratosphere. MC got every last win he could out of his career, RC left at least 30SX wins on the table if you use KW and CR as a guide.
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First RJ, now MC..... would love to see modern day reincarnations (at this moment: bike, fitness, moto intelligence: latest techniques) line up: Greatest supercross: Barnett, MC...
First RJ, now MC..... would love to see modern day reincarnations (at this moment: bike, fitness, moto intelligence: latest techniques) line up:

Greatest supercross: Barnett, MC, RC, CR, RV, RJ, JMB, Stanton, Hannah, O'Mara, Emig, Bubba, Glover, Dungey, Wardy, db

MC was on a superior bike from 1993 to 1996 and one of the best bikes from 1998 to 2002. Limited injuries. Villo, Stew, db, O'Mara, Hannah and RJ careers were damaged by injuries. Its would be one hell of a race. These riders: Decoster, Hannah, RJ, MC, GOAT, and Villo are the best of their era. They were a dominating force.
MC always complained about his 97, which was fixed by Daytona. Even though that bike won the SX opener. That aside no one ever talks about him being on the best equipment from 93 to 96 and then again from 98 to 02. Glad you brought that up.
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Hold It On 9/26/2014 3:30pm
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I am a fan of both riders. For me MC=king of supercross and RC=Goat (best when combining supercross and motocross).
This right here.

Couldn't agree more.
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I haven't read all the arguments, but all I have to say is 'Supercross-only' You can't be called the Greatest of all Time when you puss...
I haven't read all the arguments, but all I have to say is 'Supercross-only' You can't be called the Greatest of all Time when you puss out on half, and toughest part of the season, for what 3 or 4 years?

Yes, I'm still pissed at MC for doing that.
Puss out? You can't be serious.
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[b]When you retire from full time racing with 15 titles at the age of 26 its undeniably clear who the GOAT is. [/b]At the age of...
When you retire from full time racing with 15 titles at the age of 26 its undeniably clear who the GOAT is. At the age of 28 RC had 5 SX titles and 46 wins, which was more than MC had at that age. He had nothing left to prove. He won so many more races than MC did, and when he went outdoors he got even better. If RC stayed it in as long as MC did he would have eclipsed all his SX marks while pushing his MX marks further into the stratosphere. MC got every last win he could out of his career, RC left at least 30SX wins on the table if you use KW and CR as a guide.
RC would not have beat JS7 in SX in 2007 (and for the most part did not when he raced SX part time) so I doubt RC had 30 more SX wins. Jeremy won way more SX races than RC did.
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jonesaustin 9/26/2014 3:51pm
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if you don't love what he said and the way he said it, you're a strange fan of the sport.

this was great...
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It is nice read a whole topic without the usual "Vitard" bashing that normally rears its ugly head.
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[b]When you retire from full time racing with 15 titles at the age of 26 its undeniably clear who the GOAT is. [/b]At the age of...
When you retire from full time racing with 15 titles at the age of 26 its undeniably clear who the GOAT is. At the age of 28 RC had 5 SX titles and 46 wins, which was more than MC had at that age. He had nothing left to prove. He won so many more races than MC did, and when he went outdoors he got even better. If RC stayed it in as long as MC did he would have eclipsed all his SX marks while pushing his MX marks further into the stratosphere. MC got every last win he could out of his career, RC left at least 30SX wins on the table if you use KW and CR as a guide.
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RC would not have beat JS7 in SX in 2007 (and for the most part did not when he raced SX part time) so I doubt...
RC would not have beat JS7 in SX in 2007 (and for the most part did not when he raced SX part time) so I doubt RC had 30 more SX wins. Jeremy won way more SX races than RC did.
No body would have beat JS7 in 07. Not 01 RC or 96MC. That is one year though what about 08 when Reed won the title or 09 or 10. Windham who is older than RC was winning in 10 and damn close in 11. Reed was still winning this year. RC would have easily won in 08 and 10 IMO. Remember when RC retired at 26 he had more titles and more wins than MC had at 26. He had nothing left to prove he won every title he competed in from the 2000MX thru 2006MX a big difference to what MC accomplished in his illustrious career. MC needs to face it RC is the goat not him.
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RC is the GOAT......Reed was 31 and won several races this year.....RC passing JBS at Budds on the inside while pulling a rolloff....lapping every rider in the field at millville.....smoking jbs outdoors.....mt morris.....dilla....brake checking reed at us open.....never losing mxdn.....mc came in when the field was week.....stanton and johnson strong but not style and on the way out....lusk, emig and henry only comp at all outdoors and rarely got it done...great at sx but he was the only one with any technique....great at sx but the guy with heart is the goat...
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MX4EVR 9/26/2014 7:52pm
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Retired at 26 not 27-28 bro
10 years 10 championships

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