More Bad News for JS7

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I feel so bad for James. Every rider probably does this. The adderall thing was bullshit. We're going to lose him from this sport because of...
I feel so bad for James. Every rider probably does this. The adderall thing was bullshit. We're going to lose him from this sport because of bullshit.
dam rulebooks
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7/27/2014 4:31pm Edited Date/Time 7/27/2014 4:32pm
Sunhouse wrote:
Wouldn´t it depend on the contents of the IV whether or not it would be legal?
No. Remember this last SX season when RV got an IV the morning of the race? It was legal because he hadn't started the race program/practice sessions yet. It's my understanding that once you being participation in the race day, IV hydration is not allowed what so ever.
7/27/2014 4:32pm
Thank you, Guy B for allowing me to eat less crow.

Like I said, this is just passing information from what has (so far) been a reliable source. I have absolutely ZERO agenda here. But i do also absolutely respect and even though Vital gets a bad rap because some people are just immature and keyboard aggressive warriors, this is in FACT a place to read industry news before it breaks.

Please don't attack the guys who try to share info...it's all in good intentions. I figured you all would want to know before other people. And by attacking the legitimate, heart in the right place people, you will lose resources.

I don't have much more worth sharing, but if I do, i'll share..

Doug
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7/27/2014 4:32pm
That is too bad this stuff is tarnishing his racing legacy. Everybody make their own decisions though.

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Pandora's box?
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Sunhouse wrote:
Wouldn´t it depend on the contents of the IV whether or not it would be legal?
MxKing809 wrote:
No. Remember this last SX season when RV got an IV the morning of the race? It was legal because he hadn't started the race program/practice...
No. Remember this last SX season when RV got an IV the morning of the race? It was legal because he hadn't started the race program/practice sessions yet. It's my understanding that once you being participation in the race day, IV hydration is not allowed what so ever.
thanks for clearing that up, I wasn´t aware of it. Smile
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7/27/2014 4:34pm
Ummm, could the absence of said nurse be the cause of Mookie's dehydration issues?
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Thank you, Guy B for allowing me to eat less crow. Like I said, this is just passing information from what has (so far) been a...
Thank you, Guy B for allowing me to eat less crow.

Like I said, this is just passing information from what has (so far) been a reliable source. I have absolutely ZERO agenda here. But i do also absolutely respect and even though Vital gets a bad rap because some people are just immature and keyboard aggressive warriors, this is in FACT a place to read industry news before it breaks.

Please don't attack the guys who try to share info...it's all in good intentions. I figured you all would want to know before other people. And by attacking the legitimate, heart in the right place people, you will lose resources.

I don't have much more worth sharing, but if I do, i'll share..

Doug
Thanks Doug. You're absolutely right. There is a witch hunt for source verification every time, and like you said, it will deplete future scoops. Tell your source thanks and keep it coming!
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7/27/2014 4:35pm Edited Date/Time 7/27/2014 4:39pm
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"Also, from what I understand, it's [b]unclear[/b] whether this was supposed to be for between motos, or post-race recovery." LOL..... so that is how they are...
"Also, from what I understand, it's unclear whether this was supposed to be for between motos, or post-race recovery."


LOL..... so that is how they are going to try and spin it.
What do you suggest? That they start doing full body checks of riders for needle marks?

My take? It's sort of an unenforceable rule.

Years ago, I did a ride along with the East L.A. Sheriffs mountain bike patrol. In one section of the projects there, they said, "This area is known for heroin use." We came around a corner and they stopped three people. Two of them had track marks. They used one guy as a demo "dummy," showing how they'd shoot in their arms and the damage the drugs would do to the veins there. Then he was pulling the guy's collar aside, and talked about how they'd shoot in their neck...or between their toes.
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2.4 INTRAVENOUS HYDRATION

At no time during the event may a rider receive any type of intravenous hydration, unless such hydration is deemed medically necessary by medical personnel as a result of an emergency medical situation (i.e., heat stroke) encountered by the rider during, or as a result of participating in, any practice, qualifier, moto race or other activity in the event.
b. Once a rider receives such hydration during the event, the rider will not be permitted to compete in any further event activities, including but not limited to, any further practice, qualifier, moto race or other activity in the event, unless and until the rider is released by the medical personnel who treated the rider for the specific emergency medical situation at issue.
c. Any rider who receives medical treatment from the event medical director and where such treatment includes the recommendation that the rider be transported to an emergency medical treatment center, said rider shall be prohibited from competing or participating further at that event.
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7/27/2014 4:38pm
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so what happens next ?
I'd guess increased scrutiny. I think the team has already been notified about the situation, and they were unaware of anything going on.

There was no penalty applied, but James also did miss the second moto at Millville due to being disoriented.
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WAS THIS THE REAL REASON FOR THE RESTART?!?! TO PULL JS7 OFF THE GATE?!?!

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7/27/2014 4:41pm
smeg wrote:
"Also, from what I understand, it's [b]unclear[/b] whether this was supposed to be for between motos, or post-race recovery." LOL..... so that is how they are...
"Also, from what I understand, it's unclear whether this was supposed to be for between motos, or post-race recovery."


LOL..... so that is how they are going to try and spin it.
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What do you suggest? That they start doing full body checks of riders for needle marks? My take? It's sort of an unenforceable rule. Years ago...
What do you suggest? That they start doing full body checks of riders for needle marks?

My take? It's sort of an unenforceable rule.

Years ago, I did a ride along with the East L.A. Sheriffs mountain bike patrol. In one section of the projects there, they said, "This area is known for heroin use." We came around a corner and they stopped three people. Two of them had track marks. They used one guy as a demo "dummy," showing how they'd shoot in their arms and the damage the drugs would do to the veins there. Then he was pulling the guy's collar aside, and talked about how they'd shoot in their neck...or between their toes.
What I suggest is simple.... The JS7 team got caught red-handed if the info posted here is correct.

Once caught they are now going to try and spin it as "Well. ummm, yea, I have a nurse at every race who says she gives me I/V's between motos..... but she is mistaken. It was only post race for recovery....Really!!!"

That is waht I am suggesting.... and nothing else.

Entirely plausible... Do you disagree?????????/
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7/27/2014 4:42pm
MxKing809 wrote:
Thanks Doug. You're absolutely right. There is a witch hunt for source verification every time, and like you said, it will deplete future scoops. Tell your...
Thanks Doug. You're absolutely right. There is a witch hunt for source verification every time, and like you said, it will deplete future scoops. Tell your source thanks and keep it coming!
Just for the record, I have been pretty outspoken against guys who come on here to "break" news. However, this isn't one of those instances because Doug is actually putting his name on the line when he posted it. My problem comes when you have someone with a user name that remains anonymous and then gets mad when people don't believe them. Thanks for the info, Doug.
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7/27/2014 4:43pm
MxKing809 wrote:
WAS THIS THE REAL REASON FOR THE RESTART?!?! TO PULL JS7 OFF THE GATE?!?!

No. I guess you missed the gate malfunction part.
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7/27/2014 4:46pm
I can't imagine someone paying a nurse to fly all over the country each week just to do something as easy as starting an IV.

There's nothing to it. Anyone who really wanted to cheat that bad could learn to do it with a 5 minute youtube video.

This has got to be BS.
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MxKing809 wrote:
WAS THIS THE REAL REASON FOR THE RESTART?!?! TO PULL JS7 OFF THE GATE?!?!

GuyB wrote:
No. I guess you missed the gate malfunction part.
Ok, just trying to piece the events together. It seemed kinda brushed over on TV so I didn't know if there was more actually to it?
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7/27/2014 4:47pm
It is common knowledge the top guys get iv's between motos in the safety of there personal RVs
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7/27/2014 4:49pm
GuyB wrote:
I'd guess increased scrutiny. I think the team has already been notified about the situation, and they were unaware of anything going on. There was no...
I'd guess increased scrutiny. I think the team has already been notified about the situation, and they were unaware of anything going on.

There was no penalty applied, but James also did miss the second moto at Millville due to being disoriented.
I was hoping this thread was bullshit.

I think everyone has had the suspicion IV's were going on in Motor homes between moto's Now we know,
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7/27/2014 4:50pm
GuyB wrote:
What do you suggest? That they start doing full body checks of riders for needle marks? My take? It's sort of an unenforceable rule. Years ago...
What do you suggest? That they start doing full body checks of riders for needle marks?

My take? It's sort of an unenforceable rule.

Years ago, I did a ride along with the East L.A. Sheriffs mountain bike patrol. In one section of the projects there, they said, "This area is known for heroin use." We came around a corner and they stopped three people. Two of them had track marks. They used one guy as a demo "dummy," showing how they'd shoot in their arms and the damage the drugs would do to the veins there. Then he was pulling the guy's collar aside, and talked about how they'd shoot in their neck...or between their toes.
Dude... I/V's for heroin aren't anything like I/V's for dehydration. You can shoot dope in your fingers and toes. Doesn't work for dehydration. Veins aren't large enough to get fluids in quickly enough.
7/27/2014 4:51pm
GuyB wrote:
It wasn't at Washougal, it was at Millville. Apparently as an amphetamine, one side affect of Adderall is dehydration. Also, from what I understand, it's unclear...
It wasn't at Washougal, it was at Millville.

Apparently as an amphetamine, one side affect of Adderall is dehydration.

Also, from what I understand, it's unclear whether this was supposed to be for between motos, or post-race recovery.
So, if a rider can get a TUE for his Adderall, can he then get another TUE for all-day IVs because the adderall allegedly makes him dehydrated? That's why I think allowing a TUE for any performance enhancing drug is the real slippery slope in this debate. What is there to prevent Dr. Feelgood from simply prescribing a whole regimen of PEDs? Its too easy to game the system when you allow some exemptions.

If this story is true, somebody needs to tells James' camp that loose lips sink ships.
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7/27/2014 4:54pm
smeg wrote:
Dude... I/V's for heroin aren't anything like I/V's for dehydration. You can shoot dope in your fingers and toes. Doesn't work for dehydration. Veins aren't large...
Dude... I/V's for heroin aren't anything like I/V's for dehydration. You can shoot dope in your fingers and toes. Doesn't work for dehydration. Veins aren't large enough to get fluids in quickly enough.
I guess I didn't make the point clear enough. There are more places than just arms that you can stick a needle. Who wants to do full body scans before a moto to look for needle marks? My guess is the answer would be no one.
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7/27/2014 4:56pm
It would be so much easier to just follow the rules.
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7/27/2014 4:57pm Edited Date/Time 7/27/2014 4:58pm
smeg wrote:
Dude... I/V's for heroin aren't anything like I/V's for dehydration. You can shoot dope in your fingers and toes. Doesn't work for dehydration. Veins aren't large...
Dude... I/V's for heroin aren't anything like I/V's for dehydration. You can shoot dope in your fingers and toes. Doesn't work for dehydration. Veins aren't large enough to get fluids in quickly enough.
GuyB wrote:
I guess I didn't make the point clear enough. There are more places than just arms that you can stick a needle. Who wants to do...
I guess I didn't make the point clear enough. There are more places than just arms that you can stick a needle. Who wants to do full body scans before a moto to look for needle marks? My guess is the answer would be no one.
I think his point was that you can only hydrate with an IV in certain places and it should be easy to spot. I'm not a doctor so I have no idea but that's how I read it.
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GuyB wrote:
I'd guess increased scrutiny. I think the team has already been notified about the situation, and they were unaware of anything going on. There was no...
I'd guess increased scrutiny. I think the team has already been notified about the situation, and they were unaware of anything going on.

There was no penalty applied, but James also did miss the second moto at Millville due to being disoriented.
500guy wrote:
I was hoping this thread was bullshit.

I think everyone has had the suspicion IV's were going on in Motor homes between moto's Now we know,
What do we know exactly? I didn't see any confirmations that there are ivs being administered between motos. I'd imagine lots of riders rehydrate iv after the races. Stewart is pretty secretive about anything health related. Why would he disclose getting ivs AFTER the race? I don't think we learned anything here. I'm not saying it is not happening. Just saying that we don't know for sure it is happening and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until proven differently.
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7/27/2014 4:57pm Edited Date/Time 7/27/2014 4:57pm
MXD wrote:
I think his point was that you can only hydrate with an IV in certain places and it should be easy to spot. I'm not a...
I think his point was that you can only hydrate with an IV in certain places and it should be easy to spot. I'm not a doctor so I have no idea but that's how I read it.
Yep, neither am I. Obviously.
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MXD wrote:
I think his point was that you can only hydrate with an IV in certain places and it should be easy to spot. I'm not a...
I think his point was that you can only hydrate with an IV in certain places and it should be easy to spot. I'm not a doctor so I have no idea but that's how I read it.
Even so, nobody is going to ask a rider to take gear off to search for "track marks". Guys point is the rule is very difficult to enforce. You'd have to be caught red handed. So what is the rule about official/rider access between motos?
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MXD wrote:
I think his point was that you can only hydrate with an IV in certain places and it should be easy to spot. I'm not a...
I think his point was that you can only hydrate with an IV in certain places and it should be easy to spot. I'm not a doctor so I have no idea but that's how I read it.
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Yep, neither am I. Obviously.
Nor I, but I played Doctor with Becky Crump in the garage behind my dad's '57 T-Bird when I was in the first grade.
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IWreckALot wrote:
What do we know exactly? I didn't see any confirmations that there are ivs being administered between motos. I'd imagine lots of riders rehydrate iv after...
What do we know exactly? I didn't see any confirmations that there are ivs being administered between motos. I'd imagine lots of riders rehydrate iv after the races. Stewart is pretty secretive about anything health related. Why would he disclose getting ivs AFTER the race? I don't think we learned anything here. I'm not saying it is not happening. Just saying that we don't know for sure it is happening and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until proven differently.
If true then......

His personal nurse stated she gave him I/V's between motos......WTF more evidence would you need?
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7/27/2014 5:01pm Edited Date/Time 7/27/2014 5:02pm
When it comes to rehydrating with an IV, why don't they just make it legal? It's only unfair if some have access to it and other don't but if they made it legal for everyone, the problem goes away.

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