A real failure in this drug mess?

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6/24/2014 5:38pm
MotoX85 wrote:
Exactly what is an asshat? and trust me I am crying.


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6/24/2014 6:46pm
Yeah, thanks DC!!! Next time you're ankle deep in mud WORKING, and James or some other big name has to go potty, you better come running...
Yeah, thanks DC!!! Next time you're ankle deep in mud WORKING, and James or some other big name has to go potty, you better come running to wipe their behinds! Unreal.
Big Lenny wrote:
Just can't take it huh?..That was GOD's work...
No Lenny, I can't take it. Everybody in the world wanting to blame somebody else for their boo boos. Obviously, James isn't blaming anyone. The OP though,,,,, if I'm reading it right, thinks somebody OTHER than his team, family, sponsors, hangers on {that would be you Len! why did you let this happen?} should have held his hand and made sure he was protected from scrutiny.

God already did all the work Lenny.
6/24/2014 6:59pm
MotoX85 wrote:
I see NO hate for Stewart in his post, quit trying to spin away from the topic and I agree with his post 1000%. Here's the...
I see NO hate for Stewart in his post, quit trying to spin away from the topic and I agree with his post 1000%. Here's the rules, follow them or be disqualified......................SIMPLE! You can't get a prescription after you take the drug. Try that at YOUR job and see what happens.
Is all this arguing you're doing based on an assumption that JS doesn't have a prescription for what he tested positive for? I don't think anything's been proven yet one way or the other.
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6/24/2014 8:25pm Edited Date/Time 6/24/2014 8:36pm
Christ...I guess no one can read here. I am not talking about the specifics of Stews case. There are other threads for that. I am talking about the promoters just assuming their riders would educate themselves. Most other major sport make no such assumption about their athletes. They assume they are morons...and they do work to make sure they do not do something stupid. The point is not about right and wrong. You can say that they should not have to "wipe someone else's ass"...but guess what, they do...and there is a reason for it. It is in their business interest to invest some resources in to making sure that these situations do not arise. Why? Because it costs THEM money, not just the rider/'cheater'. You think FELD and MX Sports are happy now because Stew will suffer the penalties. Hell no. They are going to suffer too.

There is one more thing that just does not make any sense. Timing! Guy noted that MX Sports had a meeting before Glen Helen. I know the current issue is FELD and the WADA SX test...but has anyone even thought about the timing of MX Sports USADA drug program announcement? When was the press release put out? May 2. When was Glen Helen? May 24. The event was 22 days later. When was the 'meeting' Guy mentioned? Logically...it was somewhere in between.

How on earth is any rider expected to get a TUE for the opening 2014 National? It is actually IMPOSSIBLE.

USADA states that decisions by the TUE review board are 'normally' (but not guaranteed) made within 21 days of receipt. So, from the day MX Sports announced the testing program in 2014...till the first event was 22 days. Someone explain how this is supposed to work if an athlete finds out May 2 that he needs to go through this whole process in 22 days.

Go look at the USADA form under the documentation requirements. Do you think some MX rider is going to be able to pull that out of his ass on a moments notice and mail it to Colorado Springs? It could take WEEKS to get that data together.

Did MX Sports really believe that in a field of 80 riders...not a single one might have this issue? No. They probably did not even have a clue about this potential. I am going to find it comical of other riders get popped at Lakewood for meds that could have been OK'd. Odd are it won't happen...but it would be comical if it did.

Again...this is not about Stew. I believe frankly, that FELD and MX Sports probably did not even know what a TUE was till a week ago. The current issue is the SX / FELD /WADA test, but it seems to me there are some serious issues about the mechanics of putting a program in place that MX Sports did not even think about.

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6/24/2014 9:59pm
Christ...I guess no one can read here. I am not talking about the specifics of Stews case. There are other threads for that. I am talking...
Christ...I guess no one can read here. I am not talking about the specifics of Stews case. There are other threads for that. I am talking about the promoters just assuming their riders would educate themselves. Most other major sport make no such assumption about their athletes. They assume they are morons...and they do work to make sure they do not do something stupid. The point is not about right and wrong. You can say that they should not have to "wipe someone else's ass"...but guess what, they do...and there is a reason for it. It is in their business interest to invest some resources in to making sure that these situations do not arise. Why? Because it costs THEM money, not just the rider/'cheater'. You think FELD and MX Sports are happy now because Stew will suffer the penalties. Hell no. They are going to suffer too.

There is one more thing that just does not make any sense. Timing! Guy noted that MX Sports had a meeting before Glen Helen. I know the current issue is FELD and the WADA SX test...but has anyone even thought about the timing of MX Sports USADA drug program announcement? When was the press release put out? May 2. When was Glen Helen? May 24. The event was 22 days later. When was the 'meeting' Guy mentioned? Logically...it was somewhere in between.

How on earth is any rider expected to get a TUE for the opening 2014 National? It is actually IMPOSSIBLE.

USADA states that decisions by the TUE review board are 'normally' (but not guaranteed) made within 21 days of receipt. So, from the day MX Sports announced the testing program in 2014...till the first event was 22 days. Someone explain how this is supposed to work if an athlete finds out May 2 that he needs to go through this whole process in 22 days.

Go look at the USADA form under the documentation requirements. Do you think some MX rider is going to be able to pull that out of his ass on a moments notice and mail it to Colorado Springs? It could take WEEKS to get that data together.

Did MX Sports really believe that in a field of 80 riders...not a single one might have this issue? No. They probably did not even have a clue about this potential. I am going to find it comical of other riders get popped at Lakewood for meds that could have been OK'd. Odd are it won't happen...but it would be comical if it did.

Again...this is not about Stew. I believe frankly, that FELD and MX Sports probably did not even know what a TUE was till a week ago. The current issue is the SX / FELD /WADA test, but it seems to me there are some serious issues about the mechanics of putting a program in place that MX Sports did not even think about.
FELD and MX Sports probably did not even know what a TUE was till a week ago

Why wouldn't they have known about it, at the latest, when USADA put out their P.R. two months ago?

And is the TUE a new thing only implemented this year? Is that covered in the P.R.? I guess that's the conclusion to draw if you frankly believe Feld's never heard of it until recently (which in any case sounds like a ridiculous prospect).

And, even if it is impossible to get a TUE filled and filed in 22 days, it wouldn't matter because they didn't test until round 3, right? Or is your point that the test might've been at round 1, and then riders would be screwed?
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6/24/2014 10:28pm
It happened in NASCAR. Am almendinger failed a piss test while on aderal. After completing a nascar program he's back racing. Send js to a program and let him race
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6/25/2014 12:40am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2014 1:00am
[b]FELD and MX Sports probably did not even know what a TUE was till a week ago[/b] Why wouldn't they have known about it, at the...
FELD and MX Sports probably did not even know what a TUE was till a week ago

Why wouldn't they have known about it, at the latest, when USADA put out their P.R. two months ago?

And is the TUE a new thing only implemented this year? Is that covered in the P.R.? I guess that's the conclusion to draw if you frankly believe Feld's never heard of it until recently (which in any case sounds like a ridiculous prospect).

And, even if it is impossible to get a TUE filled and filed in 22 days, it wouldn't matter because they didn't test until round 3, right? Or is your point that the test might've been at round 1, and then riders would be screwed?
In reality, getting the sort of medical record documentation to pass a TUE review board could take months. There is absolutely no standard there. It all depends on your doctors...your medical history, etc. Under a near best case scenario, 3 weeks to get the data, 3 weeks to get the review...you would still not make Lakewood. It is just a complete joke. The program should have been announced for the 2015 season...and done right.

Then again....other sports that are promoter oriented, like boxing, have just a big a mess....even bigger perhaps. Check out this saga...

http://leastthing.blogspot.com/2013/02/usadas-conflict-of-interest-prob…
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6/25/2014 1:02am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2014 1:05am
Flynn842 wrote:
It happened in NASCAR. Am almendinger failed a piss test while on aderal. After completing a nascar program he's back racing. Send js to a program...
It happened in NASCAR. Am almendinger failed a piss test while on aderal. After completing a nascar program he's back racing. Send js to a program and let him race
Nascar has their own private program. It is essentially a situation where there is no separate sanctioning body and promoter. In Nascar, they do both. So they set up their own program, and have total latitude to make up the rules as they go.

SX and MX do not have that sort structure. They have separate promoters and sanctioning bodies. It just does not work that way, and is a different situation.

Also, AJ took Adderall recreationally when one of his bros gave it to him to stay up while they were out on the town in Kentucky.
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6/25/2014 7:51am
The use of medication to treat ADHD it's so common? Wow,I'm glad we're reluctant to go down that GMO.Monsanto route over here Shocked Shocked
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6/25/2014 8:00am
I like how we've all discussed this so much that all of the ads on my right side of the screen deal with ADD and ADHD medication even in this thread
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6/25/2014 8:04am
Why didn't he take the real shit or something that might help you win races?
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Yeah!! Thanks James for putting this on my computer!!! Grinning Grinning



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you never know..... Stewart may have already provided USADA with paperwork - If the Colorado tests come back positive, but he has the approval - than this can all go away

these guys know they are going to be tested....so not sure why any of them would TRY and pull a fast one......being prescribed a medication mid season while taking care of all the normal day to day race business - I can see why things may have been skipped or forgotten - not an excuse - but I know I have forgot to pay a bill or submit paperwork for something before knowing I have too......
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6/25/2014 9:05am
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It's called follow the god damn rules...... It's pretty simple. It obviously wasn't a prescribed medicine because it was never presented as such and documented [i]until[/i]...
It's called follow the god damn rules...... It's pretty simple. It obviously wasn't a prescribed medicine because it was never presented as such and documented until he was busted. I think he's guilty
This comes across as uneducated. You've posted on this topic several times only to lead with raw emotion and a inner hatred for js7. Very biased...
This comes across as uneducated. You've posted on this topic several times only to lead with raw emotion and a inner hatred for js7. Very biased. You honestly think this has been played out fairly and it's appropriate to kick a star out of our sport?
MotoX85 wrote:
I see NO hate for Stewart in his post, quit trying to spin away from the topic and I agree with his post 1000%. Here's the...
I see NO hate for Stewart in his post, quit trying to spin away from the topic and I agree with his post 1000%. Here's the rules, follow them or be disqualified......................SIMPLE! You can't get a prescription after you take the drug. Try that at YOUR job and see what happens.
I'd get 30 days off then back on the job, and next time I'm tested it won't matter because I would have the script....
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6/25/2014 9:06am
MotoX85 wrote:
Exactly what is an asshat? and trust me I am crying.
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Lenny you racist bastard!

Your description of an ass hat is a little white baby? lol
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6/25/2014 9:24am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2014 9:24am
RedRum666 wrote:
you never know..... Stewart may have already provided USADA with paperwork - If the Colorado tests come back positive, but he has the approval - than...
you never know..... Stewart may have already provided USADA with paperwork - If the Colorado tests come back positive, but he has the approval - than this can all go away

these guys know they are going to be tested....so not sure why any of them would TRY and pull a fast one......being prescribed a medication mid season while taking care of all the normal day to day race business - I can see why things may have been skipped or forgotten - not an excuse - but I know I have forgot to pay a bill or submit paperwork for something before knowing I have too......
And maybe he didn't even begin to think ADD meds could be on the list. Never occurred to most of us originally. Just maybe. I know it was listed but what if only a few people knew because he was embarrassed, even some of the paperwork "handlers". Hopefully.
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6/25/2014 9:32am
aroark247 wrote:
I like how we've all discussed this so much that all of the ads on my right side of the screen deal with ADD and ADHD...
I like how we've all discussed this so much that all of the ads on my right side of the screen deal with ADD and ADHD medication even in this thread
now thats funny. nice observation....
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6/25/2014 1:59pm
To me "provisionally suspended" means they are suspended. Now and until something changes to make him unsuspended.
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6/25/2014 2:09pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Yeah!! Thanks James for putting this on my computer!!! :lol: :lol: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/06/25/57829/s1200_ADD2_pic.jpg[/img]
Yeah!! Thanks James for putting this on my computer!!! Grinning Grinning



Lets change the topic to scantily clad babes...as my right side right now looks like ^^^^^^^^^^^
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6/25/2014 2:11pm
RedRum666 wrote:
you never know..... Stewart may have already provided USADA with paperwork - If the Colorado tests come back positive, but he has the approval - than...
you never know..... Stewart may have already provided USADA with paperwork - If the Colorado tests come back positive, but he has the approval - than this can all go away

these guys know they are going to be tested....so not sure why any of them would TRY and pull a fast one......being prescribed a medication mid season while taking care of all the normal day to day race business - I can see why things may have been skipped or forgotten - not an excuse - but I know I have forgot to pay a bill or submit paperwork for something before knowing I have too......
I'm thinking along the exact same lines as you 666. The one thing all this news and what's going to happen to JS has made me realize what a joke this sport is and why it'll never become anything more than what it is. Sad really, because it's my favorite sport, no matter the BS with it...
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6/25/2014 3:21pm
mx836 wrote:
I guess I am falling behind on my urban slang knowledge.

It was a different kind of crying.
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6/25/2014 4:59pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Yeah!! Thanks James for putting this on my computer!!! :lol: :lol: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/06/25/57829/s1200_ADD2_pic.jpg[/img]
Yeah!! Thanks James for putting this on my computer!!! Grinning Grinning



Vital MX raking in the big dollars with new sponsor ads. Guy B finally going to be able to upgrade that concept hauler and ditch the Toyota and trailer. Ha Ha Ha.
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6/25/2014 5:40pm
I do not quite understand the comments that getting a TUE is so time consuming or that it would take months to get it through. In cycling TUEs are sometimes given during a stage race due to an illness or condition that develops.

Nor do I understand the angst over getting a TUE for the outdoors before the races started. It certainly was no secret that drug testing was coming to the outdoors and it was already in place the entire SX season. This was no last minute surprise, nor a new issue for any rider that entered any SX event. If a TUE was needed for a med, a rider should have already had it for the SX events.

Most of the riders are heavy in to cycling and the notion of testing and TUEs is common knowledge in that sport.

The bottom line is that there is no excuse for JS's camp not getting this easily handled if it was a long-standing issue for him.

If a rider, as in claimed in the case of JS, had this condition for a long time, and was presumably dealing with it by this medication, the records would already be in existence, the doctors would have been prescribing for quite a while, and there would have been Rx records showing he had been taking it. A TUE would have been no big deal and certainly not a time consuming exercise.

Things will get very interesting when the Lakewood results come out. If the test is negative, it may suggest that this was not a long standing medical condition that had been treated with this medication for a long while. If it is a positive, MX Sports and USADA will act quickly.
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6/25/2014 6:44pm
If this was a change to the racing rules or technical regs the teams would be all over it like a fat kid on a cupcake, working out what it means, possible implications and how they could exploit it to their best advantage.

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