Marvin Musquin?

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2/11/2014 10:05am
Well....back on Geoff's topic about Marvin. A couple years ago I would of really been bummed that he missed the SX series.....mainly because he just really shined there. He has an awesome style and is by far one of my favorite imports in this sport ( favorites out of all of em' actually ). But now.......Marvin is really showing his stride in the outdoors as well......and if he comes to GH healthy , I see him having a great season. I fucking love that guy! I am bummed he's going to miss the East SX series......but on the other hand , I'm just glad he's here in the states and making our series better by being in it.
2/11/2014 10:26am
This made my day
You must have a pretty boring life then.
Nah, my day actually just started. What better way then to start it with a smile. Smile
Your day just started? It was 4pm when you replied? So you spend the day in bed?
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2/11/2014 10:35am
While racing a couple of the last rounds of SX may be useless as far as any title shot goes, it would give him a few gate drops under race conditions to kind of get him up to speed before GH. I know testing and pounding motos at Pala can do 90% of it, but to me it seems like seeing a few gate drops before your actual season starts may be a good idea. However, I'm sure Marvin and Roger have it all planned out and Marvin will be fine. I'm still bummed he is out for sx though cause this year on the East it could have been as close to a "gimme" as a guy can reasonably expect in supercross.
2/11/2014 11:11am Edited Date/Time 2/11/2014 11:11am
You must have a pretty boring life then.
Nah, my day actually just started. What better way then to start it with a smile. Smile
Your day just started? It was 4pm when you replied? So you spend the day in bed?
3pm Actually. And some people have to work to make a living. Wink

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2/11/2014 12:59pm
Nah, my day actually just started. What better way then to start it with a smile. Smile
Your day just started? It was 4pm when you replied? So you spend the day in bed?
3pm Actually. And some people have to work to make a living. Wink
Poor bastards, hahahaha
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2/11/2014 4:25pm
Just to go off on a tangent,how cool would it be for Musquin to race a GP and/or Belgium National in preparation for the Nationals??

There's no substitute for racing,and as for injuries just look at the guys hurt practicing this year alone

Poor guy,he's hardly had a decent run since he's been in the US,hope he hits the gound runningSmile
2/11/2014 10:51pm
PressPassP wrote:
Just to go off on a tangent,how cool would it be for Musquin to race a GP and/or Belgium National in preparation for the Nationals?? There's...
Just to go off on a tangent,how cool would it be for Musquin to race a GP and/or Belgium National in preparation for the Nationals??

There's no substitute for racing,and as for injuries just look at the guys hurt practicing this year alone

Poor guy,he's hardly had a decent run since he's been in the US,hope he hits the gound runningSmile
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I'm American, but it is my opinion the GP's are the toughest of the 2 series and are worthy of the "World title" that goes with them
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2/11/2014 11:19pm
Damn I hate seeing these amazing riders to go America and their careers never come good. Townley, Pourcel, Musquin and so many others could have been...
Damn I hate seeing these amazing riders to go America and their careers never come good. Townley, Pourcel, Musquin and so many others could have been multiple World Champions and had healthy lives. US really sucks for riders having short careers.

So many young American talents come and go, the system is like a revolving door. Guess it makes for the intense racing that we are getting now though.

Geoff
Yeah, none of those guys ever got hurt racing in Europe.
2/12/2014 12:20am
Damn I hate seeing these amazing riders to go America and their careers never come good. Townley, Pourcel, Musquin and so many others could have been...
Damn I hate seeing these amazing riders to go America and their careers never come good. Townley, Pourcel, Musquin and so many others could have been multiple World Champions and had healthy lives. US really sucks for riders having short careers.

So many young American talents come and go, the system is like a revolving door. Guess it makes for the intense racing that we are getting now though.

Geoff
GuyB wrote:
Yeah, none of those guys ever got hurt racing in Europe.
GuyB, there is no denying what DC said plays a lot into it. The American series is much more demanding on testing and track time. The pressure is bigger, because there are so many young riders waiting in the wings as the next big thing.

Musquin won two World MX2 titles in two years without injury, then goes to America and is injured every single year. Same with Townley. American ruins a lot of careers, there is no two ways about it. And I am not just talking euro riders. How many American kids are the next big thing and make nothing of their careers? A lot.

Sure riders in Europe get injured, but the amount of top level riders in Europe probably stops around the 20 in each class, after that the next level is a lot less appealing to the teams, and not anything as tough as the top 20. In America there seems to be 100's of young riders who might be a chance of getting a ride and the top guys know that. Its like a pressure cooker.
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2/12/2014 12:38am
KennyT wrote:
I'm American, but it is my opinion the GP's are the toughest of the 2 series and are worthy of the "World title" that goes with...
I'm American, but it is my opinion the GP's are the toughest of the 2 series and are worthy of the "World title" that goes with them
Without a doubt the tracks are gnarlier and the travel schedule is extremely rough in the GPs.
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2/12/2014 1:42am
GuyB, there is no denying what DC said plays a lot into it. The American series is much more demanding on testing and track time. The...
GuyB, there is no denying what DC said plays a lot into it. The American series is much more demanding on testing and track time. The pressure is bigger, because there are so many young riders waiting in the wings as the next big thing.

Musquin won two World MX2 titles in two years without injury, then goes to America and is injured every single year. Same with Townley. American ruins a lot of careers, there is no two ways about it. And I am not just talking euro riders. How many American kids are the next big thing and make nothing of their careers? A lot.

Sure riders in Europe get injured, but the amount of top level riders in Europe probably stops around the 20 in each class, after that the next level is a lot less appealing to the teams, and not anything as tough as the top 20. In America there seems to be 100's of young riders who might be a chance of getting a ride and the top guys know that. Its like a pressure cooker.
Just like anything, it's risk vs. reward. Guys wouldn't do it if they didn't think they had a shot at something good.

I did think throwing Christophe Pourcel in your list was off, particularly after the injuries he suffered over there.
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2/12/2014 2:06am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2014 2:09am
GuyB, there is no denying what DC said plays a lot into it. The American series is much more demanding on testing and track time. The...
GuyB, there is no denying what DC said plays a lot into it. The American series is much more demanding on testing and track time. The pressure is bigger, because there are so many young riders waiting in the wings as the next big thing.

Musquin won two World MX2 titles in two years without injury, then goes to America and is injured every single year. Same with Townley. American ruins a lot of careers, there is no two ways about it. And I am not just talking euro riders. How many American kids are the next big thing and make nothing of their careers? A lot.

Sure riders in Europe get injured, but the amount of top level riders in Europe probably stops around the 20 in each class, after that the next level is a lot less appealing to the teams, and not anything as tough as the top 20. In America there seems to be 100's of young riders who might be a chance of getting a ride and the top guys know that. Its like a pressure cooker.
Musquin first injured his knee racing in Bercy. Then at his first race back Barcia crashed in front of him and he broke his thumb, now three years later he's hurts his knee again practicing.

Its unfortunate but don't think you can blame it on the US being more demanding. Look at poor old Steven Frossard for example, the guy has barely raced in three or four years because of the different injuries sustained racing the GPs.
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2/12/2014 2:07am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2014 2:08am
GuyB, there is no denying what DC said plays a lot into it. The American series is much more demanding on testing and track time. The...
GuyB, there is no denying what DC said plays a lot into it. The American series is much more demanding on testing and track time. The pressure is bigger, because there are so many young riders waiting in the wings as the next big thing.

Musquin won two World MX2 titles in two years without injury, then goes to America and is injured every single year. Same with Townley. American ruins a lot of careers, there is no two ways about it. And I am not just talking euro riders. How many American kids are the next big thing and make nothing of their careers? A lot.

Sure riders in Europe get injured, but the amount of top level riders in Europe probably stops around the 20 in each class, after that the next level is a lot less appealing to the teams, and not anything as tough as the top 20. In America there seems to be 100's of young riders who might be a chance of getting a ride and the top guys know that. Its like a pressure cooker.
American ruins a lot of careers ???

I think that is not true at all. The athletes that want to win, no matter which side of the pond they live in, they freaking train & race almost all year long. So I would be very suprised if the "injury opportunity risk " was wery different when comparing US vs. EUROPE.

Maybe Musquin got injured because of bad luck, because he was not really accustomed to the way guys ride in Amerci in the first few races he had, or whatever reason... but blaiming the series ? seriously ? ...
2/12/2014 3:36am
GuyB, there is no denying what DC said plays a lot into it. The American series is much more demanding on testing and track time. The...
GuyB, there is no denying what DC said plays a lot into it. The American series is much more demanding on testing and track time. The pressure is bigger, because there are so many young riders waiting in the wings as the next big thing.

Musquin won two World MX2 titles in two years without injury, then goes to America and is injured every single year. Same with Townley. American ruins a lot of careers, there is no two ways about it. And I am not just talking euro riders. How many American kids are the next big thing and make nothing of their careers? A lot.

Sure riders in Europe get injured, but the amount of top level riders in Europe probably stops around the 20 in each class, after that the next level is a lot less appealing to the teams, and not anything as tough as the top 20. In America there seems to be 100's of young riders who might be a chance of getting a ride and the top guys know that. Its like a pressure cooker.
tiwita wrote:
[b]American ruins a lot of careers[/b] ??? I think that is not true at all. The athletes that want to win, no matter which side of...
American ruins a lot of careers ???

I think that is not true at all. The athletes that want to win, no matter which side of the pond they live in, they freaking train & race almost all year long. So I would be very suprised if the "injury opportunity risk " was wery different when comparing US vs. EUROPE.

Maybe Musquin got injured because of bad luck, because he was not really accustomed to the way guys ride in Amerci in the first few races he had, or whatever reason... but blaiming the series ? seriously ? ...
You summed it up perfectly, not really accustmed to the way guys ride in America. The way the practice tracks are. I think those are the biggest struggle. race after race after race. Tough media scheduel. From what I gather an AMA guy like Villopoto might earn twice as much as Cairoli, but he does twice the race scheduel. I guess what I was trying to say is there is always somebody to replace riders in America, while as mentioned above Steve Frossard has hardly ridden and still has a factory ride.
2/12/2014 3:48am
GuyB, there is no denying what DC said plays a lot into it. The American series is much more demanding on testing and track time. The...
GuyB, there is no denying what DC said plays a lot into it. The American series is much more demanding on testing and track time. The pressure is bigger, because there are so many young riders waiting in the wings as the next big thing.

Musquin won two World MX2 titles in two years without injury, then goes to America and is injured every single year. Same with Townley. American ruins a lot of careers, there is no two ways about it. And I am not just talking euro riders. How many American kids are the next big thing and make nothing of their careers? A lot.

Sure riders in Europe get injured, but the amount of top level riders in Europe probably stops around the 20 in each class, after that the next level is a lot less appealing to the teams, and not anything as tough as the top 20. In America there seems to be 100's of young riders who might be a chance of getting a ride and the top guys know that. Its like a pressure cooker.
GuyB wrote:
Just like anything, it's risk vs. reward. Guys wouldn't do it if they didn't think they had a shot at something good. I did think throwing...
Just like anything, it's risk vs. reward. Guys wouldn't do it if they didn't think they had a shot at something good.

I did think throwing Christophe Pourcel in your list was off, particularly after the injuries he suffered over there.
Pourcel walked into a factory ride when he returned to Europe, whats he got in America? Injuries aside it is a rotating door system in America whatever way you look at it. You can't deny it. Damn Chad Reed had to start his own team to get a ride.....
2/12/2014 3:53am
For fuck sake... Where's Jarid?
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2/12/2014 4:30am
The reason Marvin is here is because he won so easy over there,that's the reason they all come here,bored.

A few guys fight for the start,the rest just ride around,after the start they settle in except for the guys with skill,they can come thru the pack like grass thru a goose.

That is fun for a while but then they see a US outdoor and 20th place.charging like a bull with a 2 foot pecker into a field of fine jerseys.

Execpt for ac13,after he folded up like a 5 buck lawnchair at budds to a bike half his,well,he saw the light in that tunnel.

We have the fastest guys ,no denying,and having to push past the gp comfort zone sometimes things happen.
2/12/2014 5:00am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2014 5:02am
hillbilly wrote:
The reason Marvin is here is because he won so easy over there,that's the reason they all come here,bored. A few guys fight for the start,the...
The reason Marvin is here is because he won so easy over there,that's the reason they all come here,bored.

A few guys fight for the start,the rest just ride around,after the start they settle in except for the guys with skill,they can come thru the pack like grass thru a goose.

That is fun for a while but then they see a US outdoor and 20th place.charging like a bull with a 2 foot pecker into a field of fine jerseys.

Execpt for ac13,after he folded up like a 5 buck lawnchair at budds to a bike half his,well,he saw the light in that tunnel.

We have the fastest guys ,no denying,and having to push past the gp comfort zone sometimes things happen.
excellent post cletus Laughing

cant wait to see marvin back in action- great rider to watch! love his riding style, so smooth and technically gifted on a dirtbike.. makes it look easy! almost as if he's riding in his 'gp comfort zone' whilst winning ama nationals and main events Smile
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2/12/2014 5:01am
hillbilly wrote:
The reason Marvin is here is because he won so easy over there,that's the reason they all come here,bored. A few guys fight for the start,the...
The reason Marvin is here is because he won so easy over there,that's the reason they all come here,bored.

A few guys fight for the start,the rest just ride around,after the start they settle in except for the guys with skill,they can come thru the pack like grass thru a goose.

That is fun for a while but then they see a US outdoor and 20th place.charging like a bull with a 2 foot pecker into a field of fine jerseys.

Execpt for ac13,after he folded up like a 5 buck lawnchair at budds to a bike half his,well,he saw the light in that tunnel.

We have the fastest guys ,no denying,and having to push past the gp comfort zone sometimes things happen.
Incorrect.
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hillbilly wrote:
The reason Marvin is here is because he won so easy over there,that's the reason they all come here,bored. A few guys fight for the start,the...
The reason Marvin is here is because he won so easy over there,that's the reason they all come here,bored.

A few guys fight for the start,the rest just ride around,after the start they settle in except for the guys with skill,they can come thru the pack like grass thru a goose.

That is fun for a while but then they see a US outdoor and 20th place.charging like a bull with a 2 foot pecker into a field of fine jerseys.

Execpt for ac13,after he folded up like a 5 buck lawnchair at budds to a bike half his,well,he saw the light in that tunnel.

We have the fastest guys ,no denying,and having to push past the gp comfort zone sometimes things happen.
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Incorrect.
Hillbilly are you saying it is only in Europe where a few guys race for the win.

I seem to remember for most of the last couple seasons the 2 Ryans battled for the majority of the time= No difference.

Euros spanked you blokes last year when your riders crashed on such an easy track. What happened in the sand, like Lil Goose said should have brung a towel.
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2/12/2014 6:34am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2014 6:36am
Jamma 10 wrote, "Musquin first injured his knee racing in Bercy. Then at his first race back Barcia crashed in front of him and he broke his thumb, now three years later he's hurts his knee again practicing."

Jamma, don't expect Geoff to actually know that -- he doesn't follow 250 SX and didn't even know that Musquin was out until summer, even though it was on his site. This is just one of his regular exercises in trying to make MX/SX look bad here, even though he admits he hasn't been here in years for an AMA race and doesn't really follow 250 SX… But snipes anyway because apparently there's not much to talk about two weeks before the GPs start.

"American ruins a lot of careers." That's the dumbest thing you've ever posted, Geoff, but not surprising given your role over there.

Geoff, if you think motocross in America is particularly cutthroat with a "rotating door system," come see our politics. Or the music business. Or the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. Or any youth sport/scholarship possibility. It's what happens when you have one nation with 300 million people who are raised knowing they have to compete for the better things in life.

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2/12/2014 6:37am
davistld01 wrote:
You are obviously using your 12-year old reasoning to post that the GP's (or "gps" as you wrote) are the bush (or "busch" as you wrote)...
You are obviously using your 12-year old reasoning to post that the GP's (or "gps" as you wrote) are the bush (or "busch" as you wrote) leagues. Fact is, guys like TC222 and Herlings stay where they are mainly because of familiarity, family & $$$...none of which are bad reasons. Those guys would be as fast as or faster than any of our guys that run top-five in the outdoors. Just because you want a little attention, don't put down the World Championship guys.
It is actually Busch...
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2/12/2014 7:32am
jamma10 wrote:
Musquin first injured his knee racing in Bercy. Then at his first race back Barcia crashed in front of him and he broke his thumb, now...
Musquin first injured his knee racing in Bercy. Then at his first race back Barcia crashed in front of him and he broke his thumb, now three years later he's hurts his knee again practicing.

Its unfortunate but don't think you can blame it on the US being more demanding. Look at poor old Steven Frossard for example, the guy has barely raced in three or four years because of the different injuries sustained racing the GPs.
Shut up with that rational analysis!
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2/12/2014 7:38am
Damn I hate seeing these amazing riders to go America and their careers never come good. Townley, Pourcel, Musquin and so many others could have been...
Damn I hate seeing these amazing riders to go America and their careers never come good. Townley, Pourcel, Musquin and so many others could have been multiple World Champions and had healthy lives. US really sucks for riders having short careers.

So many young American talents come and go, the system is like a revolving door. Guess it makes for the intense racing that we are getting now though.

Geoff
O ya, Townley only crashed bad in the US right? jeeeeeesus
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2/12/2014 7:49am
Damn I hate seeing these amazing riders to go America and their careers never come good. Townley, Pourcel, Musquin and so many others could have been...
Damn I hate seeing these amazing riders to go America and their careers never come good. Townley, Pourcel, Musquin and so many others could have been multiple World Champions and had healthy lives. US really sucks for riders having short careers.

So many young American talents come and go, the system is like a revolving door. Guess it makes for the intense racing that we are getting now though.

Geoff
seth505 wrote:
O ya, Townley only crashed bad in the US right? jeeeeeesus
"In my head pictures, yes". - MX Geoff
2/12/2014 8:19am Edited Date/Time 2/12/2014 8:21am
DC wrote:
Jamma 10 wrote, "Musquin first injured his knee racing in Bercy. Then at his first race back Barcia crashed in front of him and he broke...
Jamma 10 wrote, "Musquin first injured his knee racing in Bercy. Then at his first race back Barcia crashed in front of him and he broke his thumb, now three years later he's hurts his knee again practicing."

Jamma, don't expect Geoff to actually know that -- he doesn't follow 250 SX and didn't even know that Musquin was out until summer, even though it was on his site. This is just one of his regular exercises in trying to make MX/SX look bad here, even though he admits he hasn't been here in years for an AMA race and doesn't really follow 250 SX… But snipes anyway because apparently there's not much to talk about two weeks before the GPs start.

"American ruins a lot of careers." That's the dumbest thing you've ever posted, Geoff, but not surprising given your role over there.

Geoff, if you think motocross in America is particularly cutthroat with a "rotating door system," come see our politics. Or the music business. Or the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. Or any youth sport/scholarship possibility. It's what happens when you have one nation with 300 million people who are raised knowing they have to compete for the better things in life.

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DC,

I've visited America maybe 30 times in my life, lived there a couple of times in the 1980s. I know enough about America. I love the place. And yes, the series is cut throat. Not sure what I said that isn't true?

I am just taking the piss mate, and you guys fall for it every time. Just ignore me if you can!! Hahahaha!!!! Just having some fun with the yanks!!

Geoff
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2/12/2014 8:36am
Hard to ignore the clown once considered "website of the year" in Europe shouting "America ruins lots of careers" on this message board. You're easy to spot, and obvious in your motives. Good luck and good racing in Qatar.

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And the bitchspapping continuous.Woohoo Laughing

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