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wwoberg 11/6/2013 4:50pm
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Buying used bikes suck. Some people are constantly buying and selling. From my experience, I buy new and run them until I just cant take it anymore. Currently riding a 2008 RMZ 250. Bought new. 2 rebuilds. But at least I know what is wrong and not. I am old so I dont ride like I use too.

Back in my more serious MX days, I bought a 1987 CR 125 used bike for $1500 out near Fontana or even further out (can't remember). The bike looked clean and fresh and even started and ran up and down the street strong. It was probably Summer 1987 so the bike was less than a year old. My dad and I bought it, loaded it, drove to the nearest open lot with dirt bike trails (They we plentiful back then). 10 or 15 minutes it had siezed and I was pushing it back to the truck.

We did a complete rebuild and the bike ran good till 1989. I had kids and work and it sat on the stand for the next 5 yrs. Sold it for $800 and bought a brand new 1994 KX250. After that, I have never bought a used bike. Even for my 2 sons and daughter. We just buy new and run them till they are done.
TripleFive 11/6/2013 4:51pm
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Caveat emptor
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bw51 11/6/2013 5:00pm
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well i paid 3 grand for the bike its a 2011 so thought id be pretty safe... i know new is best but was planning on running this for a year and hopefully not losing much money on it when sell it then maybe buying new... apart from that know the bike is immaculate condition i thought id had hardly been used when i saw it
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ocscottie 11/6/2013 5:14pm
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Where is AJ when we need him?

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scrubbin627 11/6/2013 5:28pm
11/6/2013 5:28pm
If the dealer doesnt fix it you can probably get that frame for a few hundred bucks off ebay.
project racer 11/6/2013 5:31pm
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wwoberg wrote:
Buying used bikes suck. Some people are constantly buying and selling. From my experience, I buy new and run them until I just cant take it...
Buying used bikes suck. Some people are constantly buying and selling. From my experience, I buy new and run them until I just cant take it anymore. Currently riding a 2008 RMZ 250. Bought new. 2 rebuilds. But at least I know what is wrong and not. I am old so I dont ride like I use too.

Back in my more serious MX days, I bought a 1987 CR 125 used bike for $1500 out near Fontana or even further out (can't remember). The bike looked clean and fresh and even started and ran up and down the street strong. It was probably Summer 1987 so the bike was less than a year old. My dad and I bought it, loaded it, drove to the nearest open lot with dirt bike trails (They we plentiful back then). 10 or 15 minutes it had siezed and I was pushing it back to the truck.

We did a complete rebuild and the bike ran good till 1989. I had kids and work and it sat on the stand for the next 5 yrs. Sold it for $800 and bought a brand new 1994 KX250. After that, I have never bought a used bike. Even for my 2 sons and daughter. We just buy new and run them till they are done.
87 CR125's were notorious for seizing. In '88,they went to smaller ports , increasing the bridged areas between the ports.

That also made a fast bike in '87, a turd for '88.
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mxpappy711 11/6/2013 5:34pm
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Take it to a good body shop and get it welded and ride it. Get an estimate first if you want and ask dealer to pay for some or all of the repair bill. A good fabricator/welder can fix that in an hour or two. Unplug all the electrical shit first so a spike of electricity does not ruin anything.
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therealjonon 11/6/2013 5:49pm
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jb weld that shit n braaap it!
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bw51 11/6/2013 6:05pm
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il tell the dealer n hopefully get sorted soon as...he is a decent bloke so fingers crossed... am racing next weekend so hope is quick fix
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bw51 11/6/2013 6:06pm
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weld n braap sounds good to me was just hoping hasnt weakened frame
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wildbill 11/6/2013 7:23pm
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ocscottie wrote:
Where is AJ when we need him?
yep, some of the 7000 series aluminum Honda uses needs to be either heat treated or annealed after welding. Can't remember which though a good search should give you the answer.
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Sandberm 11/6/2013 8:36pm
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I wouldnt worry about it. Its the undercaraige and there really isnt any structural integrity there other then to brace the engine. Anybody remember the Amp Research bike with no frame under the engine?

That being said, you bought used and you should have noticed that, shame on you.
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MX690 11/6/2013 10:25pm
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Any decent welder should be able to TIG that up in 10 minutes, it's not great but it's not a disaster either.
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Gazza 11/7/2013 1:37am
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Did that happen to come from Craigs in Dewsbury? I can't imagine there are too many around with that graphics kit. I've always found them to be pretty decent if it is.

OT but how is Doncaster MP? I went to Fatcats for the first time the other week which was a pretty good time, if I hadn't of blown 2nd gear out of my case I'd be trying to head out every week (another dodgy 2nd hand purchase). Gotta love the sand tracks for the crap weather.
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jl393 11/7/2013 2:34am
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I have a 2011 crf450 and it has pretty much the exact same thing, i realised it probably this time last year and didn't worry about it and check it every time i clean the bike and it hasn't changed. I'd take it to the shop and see what they can do but if they can't do anything i probably wouldn't be to stressed out about it.
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Markee 11/7/2013 4:19am
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If that motor mount is not bend or affected in anyway, you simply need to find a good aluminum welder to TIG a bead to prevent that crack from getting worse. There are good welders out there that can't weld aluminum, so try and find "the guy" in your area. It can be fixed as is and more than likely not need the motor taken out for the repair.

It would be nice if the dealer would help on the cost of the repair or replacement used frame. Get your ducks in a row and plead your case.

If you were close, I say bring the beer and 20 bucks and we'll knock it out.
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bw51 11/7/2013 5:41am
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Gazza wrote:
Did that happen to come from Craigs in Dewsbury? I can't imagine there are too many around with that graphics kit. I've always found them to...
Did that happen to come from Craigs in Dewsbury? I can't imagine there are too many around with that graphics kit. I've always found them to be pretty decent if it is.

OT but how is Doncaster MP? I went to Fatcats for the first time the other week which was a pretty good time, if I hadn't of blown 2nd gear out of my case I'd be trying to head out every week (another dodgy 2nd hand purchase). Gotta love the sand tracks for the crap weather.
Yeah was craigs i spoke to craig today he is a sound guy he had no idea it was there as cant see it unless you lay on the floor he says it will weld up fine and he will cover cost... ive had a few bikes from him he always looks after me they are good guys there!
Doncaster was hard work yesterday in the wet sand the jumps were fine but the corners were a nightmare... im riding at fatcats on Sunday

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bw51 11/7/2013 5:43am
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Markee wrote:
If that motor mount is not bend or affected in anyway, you simply need to find a good aluminum welder to TIG a bead to prevent...
If that motor mount is not bend or affected in anyway, you simply need to find a good aluminum welder to TIG a bead to prevent that crack from getting worse. There are good welders out there that can't weld aluminum, so try and find "the guy" in your area. It can be fixed as is and more than likely not need the motor taken out for the repair.

It would be nice if the dealer would help on the cost of the repair or replacement used frame. Get your ducks in a row and plead your case.

If you were close, I say bring the beer and 20 bucks and we'll knock it out.
its getting repaired next week so all is good... beer and welding sounds crazy ha welding then beer sounds good tho
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Gazza 11/7/2013 6:55am
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bw51 wrote:
Yeah was craigs i spoke to craig today he is a sound guy he had no idea it was there as cant see it unless you...
Yeah was craigs i spoke to craig today he is a sound guy he had no idea it was there as cant see it unless you lay on the floor he says it will weld up fine and he will cover cost... ive had a few bikes from him he always looks after me they are good guys there!
Doncaster was hard work yesterday in the wet sand the jumps were fine but the corners were a nightmare... im riding at fatcats on Sunday
Top result, they didn't strike me as the type who would be intentionally shady. I haven't had too good a look over your bike but it certainly caught my attention when I went in, it does look in pretty top condition at least externally, apart from the frame it turns out!

Good luck with it and I'm sure I'll see it out on a track at some point.
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MtnBoy 11/7/2013 7:04am
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You should be good to go after its welded. I cracked one in the same place once, got it welded and raced the shit out of it for another year.

Good luck!
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Moto_Geek 11/7/2013 8:03am
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You can ask your dealership but you bought it probably "as is" so don't go in expecting a result. Probably waste time and they probably missed it too before putting it out for sale honestly. If I was in your shoes, I would have a welder fill the section in with an aluminum bead. Typically welding something makes it stronger so I would not worry after having a welder put a fix on it. If your worried about cosmetics, then get a frame online.
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bw51 11/7/2013 8:09am
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bw51 wrote:
Yeah was craigs i spoke to craig today he is a sound guy he had no idea it was there as cant see it unless you...
Yeah was craigs i spoke to craig today he is a sound guy he had no idea it was there as cant see it unless you lay on the floor he says it will weld up fine and he will cover cost... ive had a few bikes from him he always looks after me they are good guys there!
Doncaster was hard work yesterday in the wet sand the jumps were fine but the corners were a nightmare... im riding at fatcats on Sunday
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Top result, they didn't strike me as the type who would be intentionally shady. I haven't had too good a look over your bike but it...
Top result, they didn't strike me as the type who would be intentionally shady. I haven't had too good a look over your bike but it certainly caught my attention when I went in, it does look in pretty top condition at least externally, apart from the frame it turns out!

Good luck with it and I'm sure I'll see it out on a track at some point.
yeah has just had a knock on a sharp rock from previous owner at some time everything else seems mint and rides v tight think has had pretty light use.. Yeah say hi if see you at the track hope your bike is sorted soon!
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bw51 11/7/2013 8:11am
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You should be good to go after its welded. I cracked one in the same place once, got it welded and raced the shit out of...
You should be good to go after its welded. I cracked one in the same place once, got it welded and raced the shit out of it for another year.

Good luck!
thanks man feeling better about it now and love her again ha
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CamP 11/7/2013 8:28am
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Have it welded by someone that is familiar with aluminum frames. It won't need any special heat treating. It will age harden in a few days.
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Jimfunn 11/7/2013 8:32am
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I had similar happen on an '08 KXF250. We have a very experienced coded welder near us (Gloucestershire...not much use to you up north!) who is very good at this type of thing. He did a great job and the frame was fine for another season & I then sold it on.
He's also repaired Ti exhausts with perfect welds, wouldn't believe it was done by hand.

Get someone good and it should last for a long time.
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bw51 11/7/2013 8:40am
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Jimfunn wrote:
I had similar happen on an '08 KXF250. We have a very experienced coded welder near us (Gloucestershire...not much use to you up north!) who is...
I had similar happen on an '08 KXF250. We have a very experienced coded welder near us (Gloucestershire...not much use to you up north!) who is very good at this type of thing. He did a great job and the frame was fine for another season & I then sold it on.
He's also repaired Ti exhausts with perfect welds, wouldn't believe it was done by hand.

Get someone good and it should last for a long time.
i have just been to see a local metal fabricator who also rides but he rides a ' K..eep..T..aking M..oney' Wink and showed him some pics he said he can run some weld over it no probs so hopefully he will do good job and will last me a while
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Piston Slap 11/7/2013 9:06am
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bw,

are you a "James Stewart" or a "Piston Slap"? Lol.....if you are James, you have a problem, if you are
Slappy, you got a sweet hot bike to moto and will not have one ounce/pound (insert euro/pound joke) of trouble.

Glad your dealer stuck behind you and id making things right......you have a damn fine looking ride bru.

Good riding
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bw51 11/7/2013 9:13am
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Piston Slap wrote:
bw, are you a "James Stewart" or a "Piston Slap"? Lol.....if you are James, you have a problem, if you are Slappy, you got a sweet...
bw,

are you a "James Stewart" or a "Piston Slap"? Lol.....if you are James, you have a problem, if you are
Slappy, you got a sweet hot bike to moto and will not have one ounce/pound (insert euro/pound joke) of trouble.

Glad your dealer stuck behind you and id making things right......you have a damn fine looking ride bru.

Good riding
PS
ha i try to be james stewart but im more a dirt eating tank slapper... thanks man

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