Ryan Villopoto Elite Athlete

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Edited Date/Time 8/29/2013 6:17pm
In your opinion what are the five most important contributing factors (mental and / or physical) that have lead to Ryan's domination in this years outdoor nationals.

1) Not over trained, not over trained. I.E. Ryan's battery is not taxed.
2) Elite level VO2 max. I.E. Ability to perform at a higher level than his competitors.
3) Riding skills.
4) Has developed a advanced nutritional formula.
5) Willingness to take more risks on race day. I.E No Fear

Note: 100% commitment to #4 allows #1 and #2 to happen. High alkaline diet plays a key roll.
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8/28/2013 10:22am
His bike set-up and the corresponding confidence he has in it should be one of the top five.
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8/28/2013 10:32am
his ability to pull the trigger and make a pass.

sometimes he was over 3-4 seconds faster than everyone on a passing-for-the-lead lap.

that's fucking insane
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8/28/2013 12:01pm
I think Aldon has him peaking at he right times... he's a bit off mid season but at the end he just destroys everybody, SX and MX. You can't be that strong at all times but you can set up to peak, especially towards the end. I would imagine it's demoralizing to the competition after a long, tough season to have the other guy come on strong at the end.
8/28/2013 12:21pm
Outsider wrote:
I think Aldon has him peaking at he right times... he's a bit off mid season but at the end he just destroys everybody, SX and...
I think Aldon has him peaking at he right times... he's a bit off mid season but at the end he just destroys everybody, SX and MX. You can't be that strong at all times but you can set up to peak, especially towards the end. I would imagine it's demoralizing to the competition after a long, tough season to have the other guy come on strong at the end.
I believe this is a key element as well. His entire season is similar to how Baggett does each moto. He gets to the halfway mark and then really starts to hit his stride.

Also, two key elements would be work ethic and natural talent. I think a rider with a great work ethic and "average" talent can be a good rider. Also, someone with great talent, and a shitty work ethic can also be a good rider. But you take someone with great talent AND great work ethic, well then you have guys like RV and RC.

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8/28/2013 12:31pm
Riders have and can achieve the #s 1-4 but if they aren't willing to commit to #5 then they don't have a chance. Nothing in the world is gonna make you twist that throttle harder and hold it on longer.

I will add that RV has the mental edge. He doesn't believe he can be beat and the majority hopes he makes mistakes so they have a chance to win. NOTE I said majority, not all.
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I'd put natural ability, Aldon and his wife as the three factors that separate him from everyone else. Other riders have access to everything else (comparible bikes, training facilities etc.)
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If you were to ask my wife this question, she would say he is afraid his wife will kill him if he loses. She looks like she could break any mortal man in half!
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His reaction time and brain processing time has got to be extraordinary compared to the average person. I think that's what separates a lot of people from professional athletes. The game is played much faster than most can comprehend.
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I've always been amazed at his ability to not only remain calm, but to excel in high pressure situations.

Since sport psychology is not big in motocross, or something I've ever heard him utilizing, it probably is a gift he was born with.
8/28/2013 2:47pm Edited Date/Time 8/28/2013 2:47pm
Outsider wrote:
I think Aldon has him peaking at he right times... he's a bit off mid season but at the end he just destroys everybody, SX and...
I think Aldon has him peaking at he right times... he's a bit off mid season but at the end he just destroys everybody, SX and MX. You can't be that strong at all times but you can set up to peak, especially towards the end. I would imagine it's demoralizing to the competition after a long, tough season to have the other guy come on strong at the end.
Agree 100%

Aldon just brings so much experience and knowledge to the table.
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8/28/2013 2:58pm
Homey55 wrote:
His reaction time and brain processing time has got to be extraordinary compared to the average person. I think that's what separates a lot of people...
His reaction time and brain processing time has got to be extraordinary compared to the average person. I think that's what separates a lot of people from professional athletes. The game is played much faster than most can comprehend.
Plus his eyesight must be extraordinary as one has to see what is coming so it can be processed!
8/28/2013 3:18pm
Homey55 wrote:
His reaction time and brain processing time has got to be extraordinary compared to the average person. I think that's what separates a lot of people...
His reaction time and brain processing time has got to be extraordinary compared to the average person. I think that's what separates a lot of people from professional athletes. The game is played much faster than most can comprehend.
Tim507 wrote:
Plus his eyesight must be extraordinary as one has to see what is coming so it can be processed!
Good point. His recent laser eye surgery must have really paid off.
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1. NFG
2. Training/practice
3. Crew or those he surrounds hisself with
4. NFG
5. Equipment
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8/28/2013 4:26pm
He's just nada--. He just hangs it out a little farther than the others. That happens when you have confidence.
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I've always been amazed at his ability to not only remain calm, but to excel in high pressure situations. Since sport psychology is not big in...
I've always been amazed at his ability to not only remain calm, but to excel in high pressure situations.

Since sport psychology is not big in motocross, or something I've ever heard him utilizing, it probably is a gift he was born with.
+1 then riding style and fitness.
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peelout wrote:
his ability to pull the trigger and make a pass.

sometimes he was over 3-4 seconds faster than everyone on a passing-for-the-lead lap.

that's fucking insane
Yeah I think a lot of people are flat out under estimating his speed.

He might be fit, but he has always been faster than the comp by a fair bit... His fitness might be helping him run that for longer, but personally, I think he's riding is better than anything it's been like before. He never fucks up, always on the gas, if he does fuck up, he's on the gas and his line selection is superior to everyone else.

Just like RC's last few years where everyone just wrote it off to fitness, but if you watched him on the track, he's riding way better lines all day
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Yup, he is on top of his game, I think he has a VERY good support crew esp. his mechanic ....rider-mechanic relationships are key !!

I just love the the effortless way he seems to ride, its almost as though he torques his way around the track...very smooth with amazing corner speed
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8/28/2013 5:43pm Edited Date/Time 8/28/2013 5:44pm
I think it's a combination of a bunch of different things. And they seem to have the program down to a "T"....and makin' it work.

I'm really surprised no RD lovers or Stewart ball lickers haven't shown up in this thread with the normal answer to this question......" I can't think of anything rational to say......so yeah....He's on PEDS! "
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His Dad starting him early.
His Dad, instilling the "if you want it, work for it." attitude.
Natural talent.
Conditioning, he doesn't seem to get tired.
He's a hunter. Kills things on and off the track, without remorse.
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8/28/2013 5:59pm
JACK_Schit wrote:
In your opinion what are the five most important contributing factors (mental and / or physical) that have lead to Ryan's domination in this years outdoor...
In your opinion what are the five most important contributing factors (mental and / or physical) that have lead to Ryan's domination in this years outdoor nationals.

1) Not over trained, not over trained. I.E. Ryan's battery is not taxed.
2) Elite level VO2 max. I.E. Ability to perform at a higher level than his competitors.
3) Riding skills.
4) Has developed a advanced nutritional formula.
5) Willingness to take more risks on race day. I.E No Fear

Note: 100% commitment to #4 allows #1 and #2 to happen. High alkaline diet plays a key roll.
1 to 5 reminds me of Lance Armstrong.
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8/28/2013 6:20pm
Homey55 wrote:
His reaction time and brain processing time has got to be extraordinary compared to the average person. I think that's what separates a lot of people...
His reaction time and brain processing time has got to be extraordinary compared to the average person. I think that's what separates a lot of people from professional athletes. The game is played much faster than most can comprehend.
Tim507 wrote:
Plus his eyesight must be extraordinary as one has to see what is coming so it can be processed!
SEE ARE125 wrote:
Good point. His recent laser eye surgery must have really paid off.
Haha. I see what you did there.
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8/28/2013 6:25pm
jeffro503 wrote:
I think it's a combination of a bunch of different things. And they seem to have the program down to a "T"....and makin' it work. I'm...
I think it's a combination of a bunch of different things. And they seem to have the program down to a "T"....and makin' it work.

I'm really surprised no RD lovers or Stewart ball lickers haven't shown up in this thread with the normal answer to this question......" I can't think of anything rational to say......so yeah....He's on PEDS! "
Well....the Dunge was my boy originally. And still am a big, big fan. I just like the kid, have from the get-go.
But RV has really matured into a modest, humble champion. And the things he's done, how he races(clean),
and said(& not said), just makes him a great champion and ambassador for the sport.
He's got the complete package going on. Aldon training him, full support(and then some)by his wife & family, happy balanced home life/immed family & a fantastic dialed bike & support by all of Kawasaki.

He lets his results do the talking & Villo looks like he's racing into the first turn everywhere on the track.
Ryan Villopoto has raised the bar again in professional motocross. And I don't see anyone heading him off for a couple of years. He's unbelievable. I would've really liked to have seen him and Bubba go at it in both of there primes!
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Lucifa. wrote:
1 to 5 reminds me of Lance Armstrong.
Things that make you go hmm?
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It's amazing. But different people have different abilities. Try to hit a 90 mile an hour fastball. I was at an eye clinic that had a machine where the lights came at you as if you faced that pitcher. Most people can't even move fast enough to make contact. Mario Andretti could pick out people he knew in the stands while going 200 miles an hour. Many factors come into making champions, in any sport you pick. We just don't understand, or know of them. Ability, training, bikes, support. Yes. But there is much more that's very hard to figure out. RV is it. As long as he rides, no one has a chance.
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8/28/2013 7:21pm Edited Date/Time 8/28/2013 7:21pm
jeffro503 wrote:
I think it's a combination of a bunch of different things. And they seem to have the program down to a "T"....and makin' it work. I'm...
I think it's a combination of a bunch of different things. And they seem to have the program down to a "T"....and makin' it work.

I'm really surprised no RD lovers or Stewart ball lickers haven't shown up in this thread with the normal answer to this question......" I can't think of anything rational to say......so yeah....He's on PEDS! "
observer wrote:
Well....the Dunge was my boy originally. And still am a big, big fan. I just like the kid, have from the get-go. But RV has really...
Well....the Dunge was my boy originally. And still am a big, big fan. I just like the kid, have from the get-go.
But RV has really matured into a modest, humble champion. And the things he's done, how he races(clean),
and said(& not said), just makes him a great champion and ambassador for the sport.
He's got the complete package going on. Aldon training him, full support(and then some)by his wife & family, happy balanced home life/immed family & a fantastic dialed bike & support by all of Kawasaki.

He lets his results do the talking & Villo looks like he's racing into the first turn everywhere on the track.
Ryan Villopoto has raised the bar again in professional motocross. And I don't see anyone heading him off for a couple of years. He's unbelievable. I would've really liked to have seen him and Bubba go at it in both of there primes!
Oh I get ya man. And fwiw....RD and Stewart are both great champions in their own right. They have both proven it many times over! Right now....RV is the one with all the pieces working together. And who's to say that in 2014 , 2015 and beyond.....who it'll be that will knock him off his throne? It'll happen....just not sure who , and not sure when.
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8/28/2013 7:44pm
jeffro503 wrote:
I think it's a combination of a bunch of different things. And they seem to have the program down to a "T"....and makin' it work. I'm...
I think it's a combination of a bunch of different things. And they seem to have the program down to a "T"....and makin' it work.

I'm really surprised no RD lovers or Stewart ball lickers haven't shown up in this thread with the normal answer to this question......" I can't think of anything rational to say......so yeah....He's on PEDS! "
observer wrote:
Well....the Dunge was my boy originally. And still am a big, big fan. I just like the kid, have from the get-go. But RV has really...
Well....the Dunge was my boy originally. And still am a big, big fan. I just like the kid, have from the get-go.
But RV has really matured into a modest, humble champion. And the things he's done, how he races(clean),
and said(& not said), just makes him a great champion and ambassador for the sport.
He's got the complete package going on. Aldon training him, full support(and then some)by his wife & family, happy balanced home life/immed family & a fantastic dialed bike & support by all of Kawasaki.

He lets his results do the talking & Villo looks like he's racing into the first turn everywhere on the track.
Ryan Villopoto has raised the bar again in professional motocross. And I don't see anyone heading him off for a couple of years. He's unbelievable. I would've really liked to have seen him and Bubba go at it in both of there primes!
jeffro503 wrote:
Oh I get ya man. And fwiw....RD and Stewart are both great champions in their own right. They have both proven it many times over! Right...
Oh I get ya man. And fwiw....RD and Stewart are both great champions in their own right. They have both proven it many times over! Right now....RV is the one with all the pieces working together. And who's to say that in 2014 , 2015 and beyond.....who it'll be that will knock him off his throne? It'll happen....just not sure who , and not sure when.
As long as Ryan stays 100% focused we all will continue to get quite a showSmile
8/28/2013 10:25pm Edited Date/Time 8/28/2013 10:35pm
Homey55 wrote:
His reaction time and brain processing time has got to be extraordinary compared to the average person. I think that's what separates a lot of people...
His reaction time and brain processing time has got to be extraordinary compared to the average person. I think that's what separates a lot of people from professional athletes. The game is played much faster than most can comprehend.
Sorry...this is nonsense. Guys like RV (and other top motorsports professionals) do not even "react" in the way you think. Studies have been done on this...and they all showed that top drivers/riders had slightly better eyesight and reaction times than average people.....but not enough to explain their abilities. The idea that people like RV are just better because of some quantifiable natural performance advantage is a cop out made by lazy people who want to believe that the great ones are just naturally so much better. Reality is not nearly that interesting and inspiring.

In a straight clinical reaction time test...you might even beat RV. What top riders have done...and we have not...is developed the ability to internalize bike control to the point that it is an extension of their body. They do not do this by having fast reactions and high powered brains. They do this by practicing for thousands of hours...to the point that complex multilayered motor skills are completely internalized. They can control these complex machines...WITHOUT using their brains and WITHOUT consciously reacting They have literally programmed their nervous systems to do things like this automatically. If you never even notice something...how can you 'react', in a conventional sense? How can you think about it. They are able to do this not because they have some innate ability we do not (fast reaction times, etc). They do this because by the time they are 15 years old...they have spent 4000, 5000, 6000 HOURS on a bike...riding.

Ask RV sometime about a near miss, a wild save...where he saved it from a certain yard sale. Most of the time...he wont even remember it...because it never even registered on a conscious level to him. The real secret sauce is pretty basic. Practice practice practice. This is the same of all motor sports. It is NOT about reaction times.....it is about programming your nervous system so that you do not need to consciously react. Understand this...and you are on your way to becoming a better rider.

The thing that makes the very very best what they are...is that they develop this level of mastery, and internalization, with less practice than others. So what might take a normal person 10,000 hours...takes them only 3000. So when they are at 5000 hours...they are coming up with new ways of doing things that the other experts have not even thought of...
8/29/2013 12:27am
Sorry...this is nonsense. Guys like RV (and other top motorsports professionals) do not even "react" in the way you think. Studies have been done on this...and...
Sorry...this is nonsense. Guys like RV (and other top motorsports professionals) do not even "react" in the way you think. Studies have been done on this...and they all showed that top drivers/riders had slightly better eyesight and reaction times than average people.....but not enough to explain their abilities. The idea that people like RV are just better because of some quantifiable natural performance advantage is a cop out made by lazy people who want to believe that the great ones are just naturally so much better. Reality is not nearly that interesting and inspiring.

In a straight clinical reaction time test...you might even beat RV. What top riders have done...and we have not...is developed the ability to internalize bike control to the point that it is an extension of their body. They do not do this by having fast reactions and high powered brains. They do this by practicing for thousands of hours...to the point that complex multilayered motor skills are completely internalized. They can control these complex machines...WITHOUT using their brains and WITHOUT consciously reacting They have literally programmed their nervous systems to do things like this automatically. If you never even notice something...how can you 'react', in a conventional sense? How can you think about it. They are able to do this not because they have some innate ability we do not (fast reaction times, etc). They do this because by the time they are 15 years old...they have spent 4000, 5000, 6000 HOURS on a bike...riding.

Ask RV sometime about a near miss, a wild save...where he saved it from a certain yard sale. Most of the time...he wont even remember it...because it never even registered on a conscious level to him. The real secret sauce is pretty basic. Practice practice practice. This is the same of all motor sports. It is NOT about reaction times.....it is about programming your nervous system so that you do not need to consciously react. Understand this...and you are on your way to becoming a better rider.

The thing that makes the very very best what they are...is that they develop this level of mastery, and internalization, with less practice than others. So what might take a normal person 10,000 hours...takes them only 3000. So when they are at 5000 hours...they are coming up with new ways of doing things that the other experts have not even thought of...
So he's practiced so much that his reactions on the bike are second nature and thus blazing fast. OK.

And also the performing under pressure thing.

And it looks like he's on a hover bike out there. And of course just pure speed. I watched him -- I forget what track it was, maybe early in Southwick moto 2 -- I watched and counted as he went from 2-3 bike-lengths' lead on Dungey apexing one corner to 10-15 at the end of the straight -- and the majority of the damage was done in the first 100ft out of the corner, like every 10 feet he had another length on him: click, click, click. Float like a float-bot, sting like an automatic stinging machine.
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8/29/2013 12:46am
JACK_Schit wrote:
In your opinion what are the five most important contributing factors (mental and / or physical) that have lead to Ryan's domination in this years outdoor...
In your opinion what are the five most important contributing factors (mental and / or physical) that have lead to Ryan's domination in this years outdoor nationals.

1) Not over trained, not over trained. I.E. Ryan's battery is not taxed.
2) Elite level VO2 max. I.E. Ability to perform at a higher level than his competitors.
3) Riding skills.
4) Has developed a advanced nutritional formula.
5) Willingness to take more risks on race day. I.E No Fear

Note: 100% commitment to #4 allows #1 and #2 to happen. High alkaline diet plays a key roll.
V02 Testing and data is not a important performance predictor for Motocross. Its good to work out specific training zones but that is it. Common testing data of mx athletes is a V02 score of 60-65ml/kg which is far mind blowing.

The important keys to that would be to see what his LT Heart rate range is, LT as a % of his Heart Rate and his Crossover point heart rate is. These are important factors as a well trained Elite athlete will have a LT heart rate of 80-90% so aslong has he is in those ranges he is firing and seeing the way he rode all season he is probably in the 95% range.

Monitoring his fatigue levels throughout the weeks would be a important factor and adjusting his training according to that data ensuring he is recovered for each National.

Over and above all that he still needs to twist the throttle!
8/29/2013 1:01am
SEE ARE125 wrote:
Good point. His recent laser eye surgery must have really paid off.
I didn't get the joke till later, and was about to ask if this was true. Made me think of an essay I read recently that asked: If steroids are cheating, why isn't Lasik? Which argument strikes me as a hella good one.

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