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If you lose the inexpensive racing side of it where its only big money to race and you will be racing by yourself.
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As for the rest of this argument, the class structure has to change at the races so viable 2 stroke classes are offered, so people might be enticed to race them again. I currently have a 2008 Yamaha 250F with a 269 kit in it and it is almost the perfect bike-easy to ride, not too much power. Then I picked up a sweet 2008 Yamaha 250 2 smoker, and the thing is a rocket. I haven't ridden a 2 stroke since my 2005 Yamaha 250, and it is faster and more violent than I remember. It is a thrill ride for sure and I am still in the midst of trying to remember how to ride a 2 stroke effectively. With a bit more time, I will probably go it alone with the 2 stroke, just b/c it is idiot proof, has tons of jam, and is more fun to ride. I am looking at picking up a Yamaha 125 for the fun of it somewhere down the road.
I'm 50 now, so my feelings have obviously changed with my age and current ability, but my perfect race day would be a 125 class with all of my peers banging through gears without the fear of grabbing too much throttle and killing myself. 450's are incredible bikes, I have had several, but I won't ride them anymore b/c they trick me into thinking I am a better ride than I really am, and I believe that things in motion tend to stay in motion...they are too big, too heavy, too fast, and too much for the vast majority of us ham and eggers. A 450 is a long way from the 1975 TM 100 I started racing in the big wheel schoolboy class.
125 2t
150 2t
250f
250 2t
300 2t
350f
450f
You really can't find what you want on that list? Everyone is different and your recent epiphany doesn't make the two stroke superior for everyone. You prefer two strokes, okay. Go buy one and ride it. No need to be so dramatic.
This argument comes up in every one of these threads, and I just don't get why people choose to ignore the schoolboy class. If I had a rider coming off mini's and he was too small or not skilled enough to handle a 250f, I would buy him a 125 and race the schoolboy class until I was comfortable with his abilities. Is that so hard?
Parents elect to put their kids on 250f's from 85's, it's not mandated.
There you go...I think this is a pretty good start.
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I own two 250's, (not 250f's) and if it wasn't for my 2 stroke knowledge, and doing 95% of the maintenance myself, I wouldn't be riding moto anymore.
For me thats it in a nutshell.
If the powers at Kawi would build that bike that I want to buy, then they have my money tomorrow.
As it stands right now, they choose not to go after me as a consumer, it sucks really, but thats the way it is.
P.S. I'm always scanning for another barely used 06' or 07' Kx 250, (because I'm Kawi loyal) so I've got money to spend, wish It could be spent on a new 2013 or 2014 KX 250.
however, i sold my 450 and bought a 300 and enjoy riding both trail and moto more than i have in the last 8 years.
not sure if it's just me getting older and enjoying things more, or because i got to a point where trying to crack open the throttle on the 450 just wasn't fun anymore.
either way, i'll never buy another 4-stroke. been there, done that, next.
Truth to power
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There will NEVER be a return to 2-strokes by the Japanese OEM's. I can guarantee that.
On the 2 stroke thing.......I look at it like this. Look at where the argument stood only 5yrs ago.....2 stroke guys didn't have much ground to stand on. " Now days ".......I think it's a different story. In just the 3 short years I have been back riding I have been seeing more and more 2 strokes show back up at the track.
It started out being an underground movement .....which has turned into a full blown rebellion that seems to be gaining some serious momentum. I didn't think I'd ever switch back to getting another 2 stroke.....but damn it man.....it is just too much fun riding those damn things.
You don't have valves
You don't need / want a $1200.00 Exhaust system
You can't beat the sound
You don't have valves
you can't beat the cost of the parts vs a 4 stroke
You don't have valves
you need "less" parts for a 2 stroke
You can work on the damn thing yourself
They are lighter and easier to throw around
And not sure if I mentioned this.....But they DON'T have valves!
And on a side note : Look at the 13' and 14' KTM 250 SX......the 450's really aint got much on this bike. I've seen them first hand of what they are capable of....and they friggin' rip! This is a stock 250 2 stroke design. What would the 125cc and 250cc 2 strokes be like today.....if the Jap bikes actually continued progressing that design???
I love the 4 strokes......but damn man , the 2 strokes aint no joke.
btw: it is actually a project they were playing with for a karting motor...sure would be fun hanging around that shop.
fuckin' strokist
I'll keep the smoker based on cost alone.
And for guys asking why smokers get so pissed about 4 strokes?
AMA Displacement rules. It is horse shit and everyone knows it.
Good luck to this poor sap..Can't imagine what this ran him..
Meanwhile, he is having a blast riding my '95 KX250!
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