The Alessi scrub?

6/28/2013 5:24am Edited Date/Time 6/28/2013 5:25am
jumps for show- corners for dough

prime example of this matterly basin MXDN- stefan everts passes james stewart round the outside in a corner, stood up- proceeds to pull a big gap with ease. Bubba scrubbing everything hanging off the bike looking super fast, stefan stood up everywhere looking like he's tootling round on a trials bike. Scrubbing is over rated in my opinion, carrying good momentum in the corners wins races not posing on jumps
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6/28/2013 6:12am
Alessi has never been able to throw the bike flat. He can't whip or scrub.
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6/28/2013 6:22am
JQ wrote:
Imagine what Mike could do if he improved his riding technique? I have to say I was a bit disappointed hearing him say that it is...
Imagine what Mike could do if he improved his riding technique? I have to say I was a bit disappointed hearing him say that it is "impossible" to run with the Ryans. NO IT ISN'T WORK HARDER! And I don't mean get fitter. I mean work on technique, line choice, cornerspeed. Get another riding coach. Something. Its not impossible at all. Dungey has improved a lot over the last few years and its not because he lifted more weights or went for longer bike rides.

Does anyone agree?
I agree with you. With that type of attitude he will not beat the Ryan's straight up. You have to feel you can win if you want to win.

I think skipping the 125's was a bad move for Mike. He wasn't ready to get thrown in with the wolves on a 250, and that probably hurt his confidence, and maybe some technique. He seems like a great guy, and hard working, maybe if he was away from his dad, and had a good riding coach he would have been a champion.
6/28/2013 6:22am
Grieby54 wrote:
Alessi has never been able to throw the bike flat. He can't whip or scrub.
well he must be doing something right - he's won nationals before!

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6/28/2013 6:24am
flarider wrote:
What Mike does is more like a manual, not a scrub
Tbteam wrote:
More of a seat bounce, I think.
Yeah like a manual. :-/



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6/28/2013 6:25am
Seems like riders who scrub much, crash more. Just sayin
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6/28/2013 6:29am
burn1986 wrote:
Seems like riders who scrub much, crash more. Just sayin
What's mikes excuse
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6/28/2013 6:33am
I've been surprised that Mike hasn't developed the skill for simple things (at the pro level) for doing things like standing up and jumping around the rollers before the finish at Budds Creek. He has gotten killed there 2 years in a row by jumping and then squaring the section off and jumping the last couple.

Seems like he has a comfort zone that he doesn't like to get out of. And not shear speed, more of a left handed lay up type thing. Some guys just bite the bullet and learn how to do it left handed and others keep trying to find a way to continue to do it the comfortable way.

Mike is doing great, but it just seems like he has untapped potential even after all this time.
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6/28/2013 6:47am
Me and Mike 800 won this thread! The rest of you jack holes get a life!

6/28/2013 6:52am
Crash82 wrote:
Me and Mike 800 won this thread! The rest of you jack holes get a life! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/06/28/25665/s1200_800scrub.jpg[/img]
Me and Mike 800 won this thread! The rest of you jack holes get a life!

MA wins.
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6/28/2013 6:58am
That's better then a bubba scrub.
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6/28/2013 7:07am Edited Date/Time 6/28/2013 7:12am
JQ wrote:
Imagine what Mike could do if he improved his riding technique? I have to say I was a bit disappointed hearing him say that it is...
Imagine what Mike could do if he improved his riding technique? I have to say I was a bit disappointed hearing him say that it is "impossible" to run with the Ryans. NO IT ISN'T WORK HARDER! And I don't mean get fitter. I mean work on technique, line choice, cornerspeed. Get another riding coach. Something. Its not impossible at all. Dungey has improved a lot over the last few years and its not because he lifted more weights or went for longer bike rides.

Does anyone agree?
Markout wrote:
I agree with you. With that type of attitude he will not beat the Ryan's straight up. You have to feel you can win if you...
I agree with you. With that type of attitude he will not beat the Ryan's straight up. You have to feel you can win if you want to win.

I think skipping the 125's was a bad move for Mike. He wasn't ready to get thrown in with the wolves on a 250, and that probably hurt his confidence, and maybe some technique. He seems like a great guy, and hard working, maybe if he was away from his dad, and had a good riding coach he would have been a champion.
Both points here are dead on.

Outdoors the scrubs are not as important on all the natural terrain and floater jumps. Most tracks have one or two obstacles where it can make up a fraction of a second in a 2 minute lap. Great for the guys who are already just a bit faster and need that edge to make or setup a pass. (Mike could probably use that edge)


In Supercross, the scrub is way more important. When RV, Stewart etc puts a mean scrub on someone they can pass in a single jump or rythm section. It would help Mike a lot more in Supercross.

I learned to whip and scrub a little bit as soon as I got my first 125 (only a year ago). Those skills translated over to the bigger bikes, but they're more easily learned on the little bike.
6/28/2013 7:10am
Looks pretty good to me - but then again, what do I know?

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6/28/2013 7:15am
burn1986 wrote:
Seems like riders who scrub much, crash more. Just sayin
bobby397 wrote:
What's mikes excuse
I know he crashed in the 2nd moto, but he usually doesn't crash.
6/28/2013 7:16am
Mike may not have a great scrub but he has a killer air wheelie.

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6/28/2013 7:31am
JQ wrote:
Imagine what Mike could do if he improved his riding technique? I have to say I was a bit disappointed hearing him say that it is...
Imagine what Mike could do if he improved his riding technique? I have to say I was a bit disappointed hearing him say that it is "impossible" to run with the Ryans. NO IT ISN'T WORK HARDER! And I don't mean get fitter. I mean work on technique, line choice, cornerspeed. Get another riding coach. Something. Its not impossible at all. Dungey has improved a lot over the last few years and its not because he lifted more weights or went for longer bike rides.

Does anyone agree?
Markout wrote:
I agree with you. With that type of attitude he will not beat the Ryan's straight up. You have to feel you can win if you...
I agree with you. With that type of attitude he will not beat the Ryan's straight up. You have to feel you can win if you want to win.

I think skipping the 125's was a bad move for Mike. He wasn't ready to get thrown in with the wolves on a 250, and that probably hurt his confidence, and maybe some technique. He seems like a great guy, and hard working, maybe if he was away from his dad, and had a good riding coach he would have been a champion.
You act all smart and everything yet you don't mention any of Mike's injuries, that is the only thing that has held him back. I think it's cool he kept his Dad in the loop instead of turning pro and dumping him like other Pro riders have done. No one here is qualified to say whether that was a good or bad move, reading stuff on the internet don't count as true knowledge. A straight up 3rd place in the most stacked field in history could be a hint that it was a good move to kept Tony around though. Everyone that meets Tony, the fans at least always say he is a cool dude, I know it may be a shock but you can't believe everything you read on the internet.
6/28/2013 7:42am
never been a huge fan but anyone who comes back from the 'speed bump' accident deserves some respect that was nasty!
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6/28/2013 8:57am
Crash82 wrote:
Me and Mike 800 won this thread! The rest of you jack holes get a life! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/06/28/25665/s1200_800scrub.jpg[/img]
Me and Mike 800 won this thread! The rest of you jack holes get a life!

BAM!

Awesome post...
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6/28/2013 9:41am Edited Date/Time 6/28/2013 9:43am
I love that anyone thinks a guy who podiums in the premier class of the AMA Nationals cant scrub or whip. Even without seeing the last few pictures it is just pure comedy. Neither of those things is all that difficult, and anyone with the bike skills to run up or near the front at a National can do them. Grab 100 guys and ask them to whip a bike for you. Then grab the same 100 guys and ask them to stand up and go fast through a rutted corner. See which of the two they have an easier time with. EVERYONE under 20 scrubs every single jump necessary or not at most local tracks. Its not that hard to do. I cant scrub like Bubba, but I can still do it. And a whip is the first trick you learn.
6/28/2013 9:47am
really its all genetics.....thats the way tony sits in a lawn chair.....
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6/28/2013 10:20am Edited Date/Time 6/28/2013 10:21am
Damn straight whips are easy, i got it pretty flat on this one, eat your heart out Devin Davis!



Actually Cornwall made me promise not to whip him.
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6/28/2013 10:23am
JQ wrote:
Imagine what Mike could do if he improved his riding technique? I have to say I was a bit disappointed hearing him say that it is...
Imagine what Mike could do if he improved his riding technique? I have to say I was a bit disappointed hearing him say that it is "impossible" to run with the Ryans. NO IT ISN'T WORK HARDER! And I don't mean get fitter. I mean work on technique, line choice, cornerspeed. Get another riding coach. Something. Its not impossible at all. Dungey has improved a lot over the last few years and its not because he lifted more weights or went for longer bike rides.

Does anyone agree?
Nailed it...
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6/28/2013 10:25am
FlaNard wrote:
I love that anyone thinks a guy who podiums in the premier class of the AMA Nationals cant scrub or whip. Even without seeing the last...
I love that anyone thinks a guy who podiums in the premier class of the AMA Nationals cant scrub or whip. Even without seeing the last few pictures it is just pure comedy. Neither of those things is all that difficult, and anyone with the bike skills to run up or near the front at a National can do them. Grab 100 guys and ask them to whip a bike for you. Then grab the same 100 guys and ask them to stand up and go fast through a rutted corner. See which of the two they have an easier time with. EVERYONE under 20 scrubs every single jump necessary or not at most local tracks. Its not that hard to do. I cant scrub like Bubba, but I can still do it. And a whip is the first trick you learn.
I agree with this entirely...except this part:

"EVERYONE under 20 scrubs every single jump necessary or not at most local tracks."

It should read "EVERYONE under 20 ATTEMPTS to scrub every single jump..."

I can't help but laugh at every D class rider at the track that is doing a butt scrub over every bump on the track...LOL...Everyone at the local track tries to scrub...but very few can ACTUALLY scrub.
6/28/2013 10:32am
Titan1 wrote:
I agree with this entirely...except this part: "EVERYONE under 20 scrubs every single jump necessary or not at most local tracks." It should read "EVERYONE under...
I agree with this entirely...except this part:

"EVERYONE under 20 scrubs every single jump necessary or not at most local tracks."

It should read "EVERYONE under 20 ATTEMPTS to scrub every single jump..."

I can't help but laugh at every D class rider at the track that is doing a butt scrub over every bump on the track...LOL...Everyone at the local track tries to scrub...but very few can ACTUALLY scrub.
to scrub or not scrub....dat iz da question....
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6/28/2013 10:57am
jumps for show- corners for dough prime example of this matterly basin MXDN- stefan everts passes james stewart round the outside in a corner, stood up-...
jumps for show- corners for dough

prime example of this matterly basin MXDN- stefan everts passes james stewart round the outside in a corner, stood up- proceeds to pull a big gap with ease. Bubba scrubbing everything hanging off the bike looking super fast, stefan stood up everywhere looking like he's tootling round on a trials bike. Scrubbing is over rated in my opinion, carrying good momentum in the corners wins races not posing on jumps
there ya go. right there.

only thing i scrub is my balls after a night at the Bunny Ranch. i usually get the fat one, but sometimes i settle for the pasty redhead with the lazy eye from the premature pop (i like a good challenge)
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6/28/2013 11:11am
jumps for show- corners for dough prime example of this matterly basin MXDN- stefan everts passes james stewart round the outside in a corner, stood up-...
jumps for show- corners for dough

prime example of this matterly basin MXDN- stefan everts passes james stewart round the outside in a corner, stood up- proceeds to pull a big gap with ease. Bubba scrubbing everything hanging off the bike looking super fast, stefan stood up everywhere looking like he's tootling round on a trials bike. Scrubbing is over rated in my opinion, carrying good momentum in the corners wins races not posing on jumps
peelout wrote:
there ya go. right there. only thing i scrub is my balls after a night at the Bunny Ranch. i usually get the fat one, but...
there ya go. right there.

only thing i scrub is my balls after a night at the Bunny Ranch. i usually get the fat one, but sometimes i settle for the pasty redhead with the lazy eye from the premature pop (i like a good challenge)
You see my scrub up there brah?
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6/28/2013 11:30am
jumps for show- corners for dough prime example of this matterly basin MXDN- stefan everts passes james stewart round the outside in a corner, stood up-...
jumps for show- corners for dough

prime example of this matterly basin MXDN- stefan everts passes james stewart round the outside in a corner, stood up- proceeds to pull a big gap with ease. Bubba scrubbing everything hanging off the bike looking super fast, stefan stood up everywhere looking like he's tootling round on a trials bike. Scrubbing is over rated in my opinion, carrying good momentum in the corners wins races not posing on jumps
peelout wrote:
there ya go. right there. only thing i scrub is my balls after a night at the Bunny Ranch. i usually get the fat one, but...
there ya go. right there.

only thing i scrub is my balls after a night at the Bunny Ranch. i usually get the fat one, but sometimes i settle for the pasty redhead with the lazy eye from the premature pop (i like a good challenge)
Crash82 wrote:
You see my scrub up there brah?
i did, you must have had the blonde... Shasta i believe?
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6/28/2013 12:54pm


There is more than one way to go fast over a jump...clearly #800 has figured out one of those ways, otherwise we wouldn't be posting pictures of it let alone debating about whether someone who JUST podiumed last weekend is fast or not. Again...there are alternatives to dragging your footpegs and #800 gains my respect by being on of the few who doesn't need style points to go fast and I mean FAST!
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6/28/2013 1:19pm
peelout wrote:
there ya go. right there. only thing i scrub is my balls after a night at the Bunny Ranch. i usually get the fat one, but...
there ya go. right there.

only thing i scrub is my balls after a night at the Bunny Ranch. i usually get the fat one, but sometimes i settle for the pasty redhead with the lazy eye from the premature pop (i like a good challenge)
Crash82 wrote:
You see my scrub up there brah?
peelout wrote:
i did, you must have had the blonde... Shasta i believe?
Har, not that scrub.
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6/28/2013 1:32pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2013 1:53pm
Crash82 wrote:
Damn straight whips are easy, i got it pretty flat on this one, eat your heart out Devin Davis! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/06/28/25679/s1200_100_0798_2.jpg[/img] Actually Cornwall made me promise not...
Damn straight whips are easy, i got it pretty flat on this one, eat your heart out Devin Davis!



Actually Cornwall made me promise not to whip him.
Lol

EDIT: Actually I don't want this to turn into a pissing match, so I applaud you for offering your own picture as a joke. Taking one's self too seriously is one of the worst traits a human can have.

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