Yamaha design staff fired! TCI hired.

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Edited Date/Time 8/29/2013 8:44am
Not sure if they get the boot over the vent hose routing or for not leaving enough room around the engine. Either way, I vote them out and award the contract to TCI Performance.





http://www.tci-performance.com/pictures/2014yz250r.html
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6/13/2013 6:21am
ill take two
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6/13/2013 8:09am
Id buy a 125 and a 250 today if those were available
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6/13/2013 8:14am Edited Date/Time 6/13/2013 8:15am
Looks like a cobbled together POS pig!

Wait, is that a 2-stroke? That's the sikkkkkest thing I've ever seen!!!! - said 97.5% of all Vital posters

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slipdog wrote:
Looks like a cobbled together POS pig!

Wait, is that a 2-stroke? That's the sikkkkkest thing I've ever seen!!!! - said 97.5% of all Vital posters
I thought there were only three of "us types"? It does seem as if more and more people are migrating back to the 2 stroke. Either that or less and less people are entering the sport.....

Ride day at Rio a few weeks back was at least a even split of 2 and 4 strokes, and that's taking the minis out of the equation.
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6/13/2013 8:28am
I see that trend around NorCal also, not 50/50 yet, but growing fast.
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6/13/2013 8:58am
slipdog wrote:
Looks like a cobbled together POS pig!

Wait, is that a 2-stroke? That's the sikkkkkest thing I've ever seen!!!! - said 97.5% of all Vital posters
newmann wrote:
I thought there were only three of "us types"? It does seem as if more and more people are migrating back to the 2 stroke. Either...
I thought there were only three of "us types"? It does seem as if more and more people are migrating back to the 2 stroke. Either that or less and less people are entering the sport.....

Ride day at Rio a few weeks back was at least a even split of 2 and 4 strokes, and that's taking the minis out of the equation.
Yeah, we're seeing loads of two strokes at the track down here too!

Less you are serious about racing, and even then, cheaper maintenance and or buying cost seems to be the thing...
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6/13/2013 9:55am
The second I saw the new YZ's, I was thinking of a way to put the smoker motor in the new frame. Very nice!
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6/13/2013 9:59am
just imagine if they designed that 250f frame to accept 2 or 4 stroke motors. whoever nails that concept first will be the new winner.

snowmobiles already do this with certain chassis. you can get a ski-doo xp or xs and pick the motor options. I realize this would be tough with 250/250t/450...but i don't see it being a huge issue between 250f/250t.
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6/13/2013 10:09am Edited Date/Time 6/13/2013 10:09am
dboivin wrote:
just imagine if they designed that 250f frame to accept 2 or 4 stroke motors. whoever nails that concept first will be the new winner. snowmobiles...
just imagine if they designed that 250f frame to accept 2 or 4 stroke motors. whoever nails that concept first will be the new winner.

snowmobiles already do this with certain chassis. you can get a ski-doo xp or xs and pick the motor options. I realize this would be tough with 250/250t/450...but i don't see it being a huge issue between 250f/250t.
That's because Honda (who controls the other big 3) doesn't control snowmobiles, jet skiis, or atvs.
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6/13/2013 10:10am Edited Date/Time 6/13/2013 10:10am
Here are some 2 stroke percentages from 7 states in the Midwest over 8 years. We counted bikes at races and practices at the premier tracks starting in 05.

2005 5%
2006 7%
2007 12%
2008 15%
2009 21%
2010 26%
2011 31%
2012 36%
2013 40%

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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6/13/2013 10:16am
Not even a smoker engine will do art of that!Grinning
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6/13/2013 10:17am
2T42 wrote:
Here are some 2 stroke percentages from 7 states in the Midwest over 8 years. We counted bikes at races and practices at the premier tracks...
Here are some 2 stroke percentages from 7 states in the Midwest over 8 years. We counted bikes at races and practices at the premier tracks starting in 05.

2005 5%
2006 7%
2007 12%
2008 15%
2009 21%
2010 26%
2011 31%
2012 36%
2013 40%

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Wow, that's pretty rad.
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6/13/2013 10:30am
Here's my make believe scientific chart

2005 - 2 strokes are dead

2006 - 3 people revived old 2 strokes

2006- 5 people

2007 - 6 people

2008 - 12 people ( good welfare year)

2009 -2012 - 60 people revived 2 strokes but Newman owns 30 of them so not sure what to make of this huge surge.

2013 - 2 strokes are still dead except for some sentimental guy's and some cheap or poor people.
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6/13/2013 10:31am
2T42 wrote:
Here are some 2 stroke percentages from 7 states in the Midwest over 8 years. We counted bikes at races and practices at the premier tracks...
Here are some 2 stroke percentages from 7 states in the Midwest over 8 years. We counted bikes at races and practices at the premier tracks starting in 05.

2005 5%
2006 7%
2007 12%
2008 15%
2009 21%
2010 26%
2011 31%
2012 36%
2013 40%

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
seth505 wrote:
Wow, that's pretty rad.
I'm not gonna beat around the bush, so..... "I told you so"! lol

Been back on my smoker for almost 3 years now. Come on people, get with the times!
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6/13/2013 10:35am
500guy wrote:
Here's my make believe scientific chart 2005 - 2 strokes are dead 2006 - 3 people revived old 2 strokes 2006- 5 people 2007 - 6...
Here's my make believe scientific chart

2005 - 2 strokes are dead

2006 - 3 people revived old 2 strokes

2006- 5 people

2007 - 6 people

2008 - 12 people ( good welfare year)

2009 -2012 - 60 people revived 2 strokes but Newman owns 30 of them so not sure what to make of this huge surge.

2013 - 2 strokes are still dead except for some sentimental guy's and some cheap or poor people.
Laughing
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6/13/2013 10:47am
500guy wrote:
Here's my make believe scientific chart 2005 - 2 strokes are dead 2006 - 3 people revived old 2 strokes 2006- 5 people 2007 - 6...
Here's my make believe scientific chart

2005 - 2 strokes are dead

2006 - 3 people revived old 2 strokes

2006- 5 people

2007 - 6 people

2008 - 12 people ( good welfare year)

2009 -2012 - 60 people revived 2 strokes but Newman owns 30 of them so not sure what to make of this huge surge.

2013 - 2 strokes are still dead except for some sentimental guy's and some cheap or poor people.
Highsider wrote:
Laughing
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6/13/2013 10:50am
Or just get this, they already make it haha, and it produces 5 more horse power!
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6/13/2013 10:53am
500guy wrote:
Here's my make believe scientific chart 2005 - 2 strokes are dead 2006 - 3 people revived old 2 strokes 2006- 5 people 2007 - 6...
Here's my make believe scientific chart

2005 - 2 strokes are dead

2006 - 3 people revived old 2 strokes

2006- 5 people

2007 - 6 people

2008 - 12 people ( good welfare year)

2009 -2012 - 60 people revived 2 strokes but Newman owns 30 of them so not sure what to make of this huge surge.

2013 - 2 strokes are still dead except for some sentimental guy's and some cheap or poor people.
2008 and 2009 are pretty good. LOL

These numbers are from major tracks only, no small ones. Huge turnouts. 100 to several hundred riders. We left off all small tracks because they were all over the board usually higher % 2 strokes than the average.
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6/13/2013 10:58am
2T42 wrote:
Here are some 2 stroke percentages from 7 states in the Midwest over 8 years. We counted bikes at races and practices at the premier tracks...
Here are some 2 stroke percentages from 7 states in the Midwest over 8 years. We counted bikes at races and practices at the premier tracks starting in 05.

2005 5%
2006 7%
2007 12%
2008 15%
2009 21%
2010 26%
2011 31%
2012 36%
2013 40%

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
seth505 wrote:
Wow, that's pretty rad.
MXP wrote:
I'm not gonna beat around the bush, so..... "I told you so"! lol Been back on my smoker for almost 3 years now. Come on people...
I'm not gonna beat around the bush, so..... "I told you so"! lol

Been back on my smoker for almost 3 years now. Come on people, get with the times!
Hey, I've been on 2-strokes this entire time.
Even come to a track like Pala on a random weekend and half the guys riding the main track are on 2-strokes sometimes.
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6/13/2013 11:07am
I wont lie... if the rules allowed for Dungey to race a 300, no doubt in my mind this wouldn't be the king of outdoor MX right now:

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6/13/2013 11:32am
All jokes aside

A KTM 360 2strk in today's modern chassis would be totally bitchin.
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500guy wrote:
All jokes aside

A KTM 360 2strk in today's modern chassis would be totally bitchin.
Don Emler and Danny LaPorte have "Gone there".

I call it the KTM400VSX
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6/13/2013 11:44am
dboivin wrote:
just imagine if they designed that 250f frame to accept 2 or 4 stroke motors. whoever nails that concept first will be the new winner. snowmobiles...
just imagine if they designed that 250f frame to accept 2 or 4 stroke motors. whoever nails that concept first will be the new winner.

snowmobiles already do this with certain chassis. you can get a ski-doo xp or xs and pick the motor options. I realize this would be tough with 250/250t/450...but i don't see it being a huge issue between 250f/250t.
KTM already uses the same frames just different motor mounts. You can do the top end on a 2012 250SX without taking the gas tank off because of the room made for the 450 motor.
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6/13/2013 12:16pm
500guy wrote:
Here's my make believe scientific chart 2005 - 2 strokes are dead 2006 - 3 people revived old 2 strokes 2006- 5 people 2007 - 6...
Here's my make believe scientific chart

2005 - 2 strokes are dead

2006 - 3 people revived old 2 strokes

2006- 5 people

2007 - 6 people

2008 - 12 people ( good welfare year)

2009 -2012 - 60 people revived 2 strokes but Newman owns 30 of them so not sure what to make of this huge surge.

2013 - 2 strokes are still dead except for some sentimental guy's and some cheap or poor people.
Hope and Change , Hope and Change.....Wink Just doing my part.
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seth505 wrote:
Hey, I've been on 2-strokes this entire time. Even come to a track like Pala on a random weekend and half the guys riding the main...
Hey, I've been on 2-strokes this entire time.
Even come to a track like Pala on a random weekend and half the guys riding the main track are on 2-strokes sometimes.
Same.Smile
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ga_pike wrote:
I wont lie... if the rules allowed for Dungey to race a 300, no doubt in my mind this wouldn't be the king of outdoor MX...
I wont lie... if the rules allowed for Dungey to race a 300, no doubt in my mind this wouldn't be the king of outdoor MX right now:

hell yeah! looks just like my ride, minus the headlight/taillight and mine is just the XC. bitchin bikes
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Or just get this, they already make it haha, and it produces 5 more horse power![img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/06/13/24714/s1200_k250sx.jpg[/img]
Or just get this, they already make it haha, and it produces 5 more horse power!
I would like to see the dyno, because 5 more HPs is above a brand new 450, with 8 kg less, everyone would buy it. I believe the 300 KTM is more close to that, a great bike for 2 stroke lovers.

Otherwise that project looks awesome, but I am not convinced by the evolutions of "modern bikes" (1985-2010 or let us since upside down forks). On a track, beyond the psychological aspect "a new bike is faster", if you know how to maintain the bike to always ride on a brand new bike, I am not sure that a 2014 YZ 250 would be faster than a 1992 250 (remember how fast was Bradshaw on tracks that for me were often more sketchy & less prepared).

I still think dialed in 89' CR 250 or 88' YZ 250 can take any 2014 450, and I am not entering a debate regarding cube centimer FIM equivalences as it could be written "can take any 2014 250", just my opinion, and the cost is 1000 vs 10000, without counting all the parts you can buy cheap if anything break (radiators, wheels, shocks, gear boxes, carters, etc).

Only modern technologies would bring something, but right now it would cost 10 times more than stock 4 strokes; full titanium, magnesium, carbon fiber, data acquisition, traction control, ABS/or electro magnetic brakes, electro magnetic suspension at low speed, bi cylinder, turbo compressor if allowed, tubeless tires, but then even the 250 4 strokes would be too powerful !
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6/13/2013 1:42pm
ga_pike wrote:
I wont lie... if the rules allowed for Dungey to race a 300, no doubt in my mind this wouldn't be the king of outdoor MX...
I wont lie... if the rules allowed for Dungey to race a 300, no doubt in my mind this wouldn't be the king of outdoor MX right now:

I'll assume you meant to write "would" and not "wouldn't"...

If so, you're dreamin'.
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KTM already uses the same frames just different motor mounts. You can do the top end on a 2012 250SX without taking the gas tank off...
KTM already uses the same frames just different motor mounts. You can do the top end on a 2012 250SX without taking the gas tank off because of the room made for the 450 motor.
Yeah, that's false.

Source: I did one last night.

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