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Drtbykr
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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2013 2:53pm
Oh well, something else has to hit the track, and not necessarily the exact same supercross tracks, there can be a smoother track around the outside for quads or side by sides. This will hopefully bring new sponsors and more commitment from the existing OEM's.

I remember reading an article a long time ago, "does RC sell bikes"? The answer was no, bike sales when down every year he rode Kawasaki's I believe. Obviously the market has a say, but how many people out of 35,000 at a SX race are going to run out Monday I lay down $10,000 on a motocross bike that was as good as a factory machine 10 years ago? Most people in the arena can't even ride one, hence Dumbest Thing on Two Wheels (or whatever the show's name is), and all the YouTube escapades with people in flipflops running into garages or putting a second crack in their butt.

The existing formula obviously has flaws, when a really good rider with McG's connections can't substain a team..it shows a flawed business model.

I think ATV's are going to be part of the Canadian series. They rip up the track, and are kinda weird to a dirtbiker, but they can be riden by anyone with a thumb and a foot.....even drunk people unfortunately.

Give your snide remarks all you want, but I hope someone besides us internet monkies is looking for solutions that pertain to the masses. Monster, Rockstar and Muscle Milk must feel more powerful than the OEM's. If they leave, c'est tout.
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1/26/2013 9:44am
Here we go...
1/26/2013 9:46am
The ATV's are just whats needed as when they endo, its a sure fire meat wagon call, and the folks that Feld markets to will eat that kind of stuff up like potato salad on the fourth of July.
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1/26/2013 9:49am
they should have a crotch rocket class too, i'd watch that.
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1/26/2013 10:00am
Dude, I really believe you are on to something BIG! I only wish I'd thought of it. A bunch of drunks blasting around the outside and crossing over to the inside and back to the outside of every SX track in the series on quads, say during intermission would surely boost ticket sales and would probably bring in an entirely new fan base! HFS...

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1/26/2013 10:04am
Seriously...what happens when the energy drink money stops flowing?
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1/26/2013 10:17am
viking24 wrote:
Seriously...what happens when the energy drink money stops flowing?
Same as when cigarett or alcohol stopped. Nothing.
Drtbykr
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1/26/2013 10:29am
What is that called, when you do the same thing over and over again and expect different results......oh yes, I remember?
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1/26/2013 10:31am
yes quads will be with CMRCs Provincial series. hopefully we can kickstart ATV racing in Ontario again as its been foing down since 2008.

as for the smooth track around the outside, who needs it? ATVs race Montreal SX and have surprisingly competitive lap times. i believe it was 2010 John Natalie's lap time was faster than all but 4 of the bikes. Albeit the Montreal tracks are very different from what you see at AMA, but after riding Montreal and seeing AMA SX live i would say that the Montreal tracks are sketchier for ATVs than the AMA tracks.

It will probably never happen but it would be cool to see. The ATVs at Montreal get just as many cheers as the bikes. Plus quads have this great habit when they lose their rider, they often decide do follow and run him over. i bit painful and uncomfortable for the rider, comedic gold for the fans.
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1/26/2013 10:35am
viking24 wrote:
Seriously...what happens when the energy drink money stops flowing?
Big wrote:
Same as when cigarett or alcohol stopped. Nothing.
Who's going to step up to replace the huge energy drink dollars? If NASCAR is hurting for support right now, mx is in trouble.
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1/26/2013 10:36am
SLAPAHO wrote:
they should have a crotch rocket class too, i'd watch that.
How 'bout bring back the 3-wheelers while we're at it? Wink
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1/26/2013 10:37am
They should have a punt/pass/kick type competition with youngsters on dirtsicles.

Maybe... blockpass/centerpunch/jump crossover...with a sponser memorisation test afterwards.
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bh84 wrote:
yes quads will be with CMRCs Provincial series. hopefully we can kickstart ATV racing in Ontario again as its been foing down since 2008. as for...
yes quads will be with CMRCs Provincial series. hopefully we can kickstart ATV racing in Ontario again as its been foing down since 2008.

as for the smooth track around the outside, who needs it? ATVs race Montreal SX and have surprisingly competitive lap times. i believe it was 2010 John Natalie's lap time was faster than all but 4 of the bikes. Albeit the Montreal tracks are very different from what you see at AMA, but after riding Montreal and seeing AMA SX live i would say that the Montreal tracks are sketchier for ATVs than the AMA tracks.

It will probably never happen but it would be cool to see. The ATVs at Montreal get just as many cheers as the bikes. Plus quads have this great habit when they lose their rider, they often decide do follow and run him over. i bit painful and uncomfortable for the rider, comedic gold for the fans.
There is absolute nothing fun with a farmers tool. Maybe if they drop one from the same hight as the skydiver a couple weeks ago. C'mon?
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1/26/2013 10:44am
viking24 wrote:
Seriously...what happens when the energy drink money stops flowing?
Big wrote:
Same as when cigarett or alcohol stopped. Nothing.
Flatliner wrote:
Who's going to step up to replace the huge energy drink dollars? If NASCAR is hurting for support right now, mx is in trouble.
Biggest problem is the trailers and specialbikes etc. There is no need for those to race. First thing teams buy today is a mega-rig. ktjing! Look at short this evening. Maybe a little bit slower but he do fine. In Europe we could race GPs if we didn't have to pay cock-llongo. Then there should be a real GP. Not daddyboys racing.
1/26/2013 10:44am
They already have a National series.I know it's not SX.
http://www.atvmotocross.com/images/schedule/ATVMX_Schedule.jpg

The stadiums might not be filled but I doubt having quads will fill the empty seats.
Plus the race schedule is already set, they had to do away with some of the racing to make it TV friendly.
No time for Quads anyway.
Felds M.O. is to get you in to watch a few races and get you out in a few hours.
I am not sure many MX fans care about or want to see Quads race anyway.
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1/26/2013 1:00pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2013 1:01pm
Big wrote:
Same as when cigarett or alcohol stopped. Nothing.
Flatliner wrote:
Who's going to step up to replace the huge energy drink dollars? If NASCAR is hurting for support right now, mx is in trouble.
Big wrote:
Biggest problem is the trailers and specialbikes etc. There is no need for those to race. First thing teams buy today is a mega-rig. ktjing! Look...
Biggest problem is the trailers and specialbikes etc. There is no need for those to race. First thing teams buy today is a mega-rig. ktjing! Look at short this evening. Maybe a little bit slower but he do fine. In Europe we could race GPs if we didn't have to pay cock-llongo. Then there should be a real GP. Not daddyboys racing.
at some point all of you will face the actual truth.

people aren't interested in motocross anymore. PLAIN and SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that doesn't compute for most of you narcissistic retards, but all you have to do is look at bikes sales from the last 35 years. it tells the whole story. in black and white.
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1/26/2013 1:05pm
Quads are only good for plowing snow and hunting.
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1/26/2013 1:08pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2013 1:08pm
Spectator Figure 8s on Banshees. Just grab about 20 random dudes from the beer garden and promise them a free tshirt if they win then turn 'em loose and listen to the crowd go wild.
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1/26/2013 1:11pm
Flatliner wrote:
Who's going to step up to replace the huge energy drink dollars? If NASCAR is hurting for support right now, mx is in trouble.
Big wrote:
Biggest problem is the trailers and specialbikes etc. There is no need for those to race. First thing teams buy today is a mega-rig. ktjing! Look...
Biggest problem is the trailers and specialbikes etc. There is no need for those to race. First thing teams buy today is a mega-rig. ktjing! Look at short this evening. Maybe a little bit slower but he do fine. In Europe we could race GPs if we didn't have to pay cock-llongo. Then there should be a real GP. Not daddyboys racing.
Katoomey wrote:
at some point all of you will face the actual truth. people aren't interested in motocross anymore. PLAIN and SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that doesn't compute for...
at some point all of you will face the actual truth.

people aren't interested in motocross anymore. PLAIN and SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that doesn't compute for most of you narcissistic retards, but all you have to do is look at bikes sales from the last 35 years. it tells the whole story. in black and white.
Gotta admit, i find myself questioning more and more keeping the bikes in the shed these days. The two closest tracks to me closed down because of noise complaints and the next closest track is nearly 2 hours away. My brother sold his bike bike and bought a stand up jet ski because he was over the hassle of riding. Even in winter here you can ride one in a wetsuit and the river is 10 minutes away, the beach is 20 minutes away.

Mx was never the most accessible sport to begin with but when it gets harder and more expensive to ride the love for the sport starts to die
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1/26/2013 1:18pm
Drtbykr wrote:
Oh well, something else has to hit the track, and not necessarily the exact same supercross tracks, there can be a smoother track around the outside...
Oh well, something else has to hit the track, and not necessarily the exact same supercross tracks, there can be a smoother track around the outside for quads or side by sides. This will hopefully bring new sponsors and more commitment from the existing OEM's.

I remember reading an article a long time ago, "does RC sell bikes"? The answer was no, bike sales when down every year he rode Kawasaki's I believe. Obviously the market has a say, but how many people out of 35,000 at a SX race are going to run out Monday I lay down $10,000 on a motocross bike that was as good as a factory machine 10 years ago? Most people in the arena can't even ride one, hence Dumbest Thing on Two Wheels (or whatever the show's name is), and all the YouTube escapades with people in flipflops running into garages or putting a second crack in their butt.

The existing formula obviously has flaws, when a really good rider with McG's connections can't substain a team..it shows a flawed business model.

I think ATV's are going to be part of the Canadian series. They rip up the track, and are kinda weird to a dirtbiker, but they can be riden by anyone with a thumb and a foot.....even drunk people unfortunately.

Give your snide remarks all you want, but I hope someone besides us internet monkies is looking for solutions that pertain to the masses. Monster, Rockstar and Muscle Milk must feel more powerful than the OEM's. If they leave, c'est tout.
Didn't you hear? Things have ever been better.
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Hut wrote:
Spectator Figure 8s on Banshees. Just grab about 20 random dudes from the beer garden and promise them a free tshirt if they win then turn...
Spectator Figure 8s on Banshees. Just grab about 20 random dudes from the beer garden and promise them a free tshirt if they win then turn 'em loose and listen to the crowd go wild.
I think your onto something there....
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1/26/2013 1:23pm Edited Date/Time 1/26/2013 1:24pm
Flatliner wrote:
Who's going to step up to replace the huge energy drink dollars? If NASCAR is hurting for support right now, mx is in trouble.
Big wrote:
Biggest problem is the trailers and specialbikes etc. There is no need for those to race. First thing teams buy today is a mega-rig. ktjing! Look...
Biggest problem is the trailers and specialbikes etc. There is no need for those to race. First thing teams buy today is a mega-rig. ktjing! Look at short this evening. Maybe a little bit slower but he do fine. In Europe we could race GPs if we didn't have to pay cock-llongo. Then there should be a real GP. Not daddyboys racing.
Katoomey wrote:
at some point all of you will face the actual truth. people aren't interested in motocross anymore. PLAIN and SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that doesn't compute for...
at some point all of you will face the actual truth.

people aren't interested in motocross anymore. PLAIN and SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that doesn't compute for most of you narcissistic retards, but all you have to do is look at bikes sales from the last 35 years. it tells the whole story. in black and white.
Again, things have never been better. Wait until this gets enough replies for anyone in the industry to chime in. Like Dave says, shit is just rocking balls in the industry right now. Nothing to see here.
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1/26/2013 1:38pm
viking24 wrote:
Seriously...what happens when the energy drink money stops flowing?
It'll be a great day if/when this whole thing tanks for the industry. I would love to see it. All of this "building the sport" has been what brought us here. Who has benefited from it? I don't suggest we go back to air-cooled engines, drum brakes, etc (well, maybe...) Truth is, the fun factor hasn't ramped-up significantly since we've been offered motorcycles that we can't afford, or work on simply.
We're not that much faster either. I know you think you are, but you're not. There's probably more of us on the sidelines with injuries, though.
I don't think many are in agreement with me, and we will likely never get back to basics. I think the day could come though, and soon, with interests waning and grass-roots unfortified, that we could see a really, good shake-up. We'd all be better for it.
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1/26/2013 1:40pm
Flatliner wrote:
Who's going to step up to replace the huge energy drink dollars? If NASCAR is hurting for support right now, mx is in trouble.
Big wrote:
Biggest problem is the trailers and specialbikes etc. There is no need for those to race. First thing teams buy today is a mega-rig. ktjing! Look...
Biggest problem is the trailers and specialbikes etc. There is no need for those to race. First thing teams buy today is a mega-rig. ktjing! Look at short this evening. Maybe a little bit slower but he do fine. In Europe we could race GPs if we didn't have to pay cock-llongo. Then there should be a real GP. Not daddyboys racing.
Katoomey wrote:
at some point all of you will face the actual truth. people aren't interested in motocross anymore. PLAIN and SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that doesn't compute for...
at some point all of you will face the actual truth.

people aren't interested in motocross anymore. PLAIN and SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know that doesn't compute for most of you narcissistic retards, but all you have to do is look at bikes sales from the last 35 years. it tells the whole story. in black and white.
And yet mouthbreathing spermbearded twits like yerself are here following it.

Afuckingmazing....
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1/26/2013 2:23pm
viking24 wrote:
Seriously...what happens when the energy drink money stops flowing?
This. wrote:
It'll be a great day if/when this whole thing tanks for the industry. I would love to see it. All of this "building the sport" has...
It'll be a great day if/when this whole thing tanks for the industry. I would love to see it. All of this "building the sport" has been what brought us here. Who has benefited from it? I don't suggest we go back to air-cooled engines, drum brakes, etc (well, maybe...) Truth is, the fun factor hasn't ramped-up significantly since we've been offered motorcycles that we can't afford, or work on simply.
We're not that much faster either. I know you think you are, but you're not. There's probably more of us on the sidelines with injuries, though.
I don't think many are in agreement with me, and we will likely never get back to basics. I think the day could come though, and soon, with interests waning and grass-roots unfortified, that we could see a really, good shake-up. We'd all be better for it.
well, I happen to agree with you..
1/26/2013 2:44pm
Sandberm wrote:
They should have a punt/pass/kick type competition with youngsters on dirtsicles.

Maybe... blockpass/centerpunch/jump crossover...with a sponser memorisation test afterwards.
KTM has been doing that for over a decade.
1/26/2013 2:53pm
How about 3 or 4 getting random fans to race factory bikes during an intermission.

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