Anybody else notice the NASCAR influence creeping in??

TheNewOriginal 1/7/2013 5:29pm
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You'd be surprised how many people didn't know NASCAR got fuel injection for the FIRST time last season, AFTER MX got it three years before. Or...
You'd be surprised how many people didn't know NASCAR got fuel injection for the FIRST time last season, AFTER MX got it three years before. Or the fact that Toyota was running a nearly copied version of the Chevrolet engine because they haven't made a non fuel injected motor in over 25 years.

They are going in the right direction with body styles IMO. Although it will be a long time before they ever get back to looking "stock".

That's why I agree with the glitz and glamour that NASCAR lacks. Our bikes change styling and looks every 3-4 years and BNG on race bikes every season, just like F1 and MotoGP albeit through different means.There's also a lot more "musical chairs" in the off season on who rides for what team compared to NASCAR, which is a more long term seat for most big teams and drivers. Blue collar people who follow NASCAR and race don't race NASCAR's. They race late modifieds at the local half mile oval whether it be dirt or asphalt. Either way it's nothing like NASCAR. Not the same case is made for MX. We still have those blue collar people taking part in the sport but they are using the exact same tools the pro's are using (on the surface). That's the one upside our sport has over F1, MotoGP and NASCAR. Direct relation to what is happening on the track.
The late model teams around here use Hendricks, Elliott, Roush/Yates, etc engines at $60,000+ each. The top 40 at any regional (Eldora, Bardstown, etc) race will be in Fetherlite haulers (that are at least equivalent to any MX factory hauler) with at least one spare car and several spare engines. Most have 2 full time employees minimum. And in car racing, this level would be the equivalent of regional arenacross (compared to the main NASCAR series.) As far as change, do you think that an average fan would notice the difference between a 2007 SX bike and 2013 model? IMO, Motocross/Supercross is the greatest sport in the world,. But don't sell the roundy-round guys short in technology, innovation, or funds. A large part of the fan base may still be rednecks, but only a small percentage make up the actual racers/crew chiefs in today's racing.
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MXTR 1/7/2013 5:36pm
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Why would any these nimrods complain about any Nascar influence? Doesn't make sense, unless you're one of those hardcore, "back in the day" types.

Face it, having someone high up at some corporation (Lowes, General Mills, Mars...) that follows their hired guns (Jimmy Johnson, Kasey Kayne, Kyle Busch...) on twitter or FB, is going to peak his interest and maybe go visit one of the local SX races. Get one of these guys into the pits...well, they might see a potential place to market their goods!
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MX4EVR 1/7/2013 5:36pm
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Smoke and mirrors
Look at the monkey look at the monkey

Just like the rappers singing with rock stars
Double the ticket sales
The promoters and exec's making all the money and us poor folk getting fooled like a dumb ass
The Roooster 1/7/2013 6:13pm
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Ya if the sport grew and more guys were able to make a living at it, that would be a very bad thing indeed.Whistling

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MX4EVR wrote:
Smoke and mirrors Look at the monkey look at the monkey Just like the rappers singing with rock stars Double the ticket sales The promoters and...
Smoke and mirrors
Look at the monkey look at the monkey

Just like the rappers singing with rock stars
Double the ticket sales
The promoters and exec's making all the money and us poor folk getting fooled like a dumb ass
You summed it up right. Rappers and rock stars, moto racers and beer cars
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Matt Wozney 1/7/2013 6:22pm
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And we're going to see NASCAR Chase for the Cup type of deal in Arenacross in mid-February......
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Rupert X wrote:
I don't know all about any NASCAR crap, what i did find intriguing - is when they mentioned we were the #2 Tweeted dealio on Saturday...
I don't know all about any NASCAR crap, what i did find intriguing - is when they mentioned we were the #2 Tweeted

dealio on Saturday night, - me does think that significant.

We DESPERATELY need to polish our show though - and execute it more proficiently. Less downtime, more

background insight/ rider interviews/ mechanics - team managers, etc.
yes what would be much better



more racing!!!!


less fluff.
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Drtbykr 1/7/2013 7:20pm
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Creep is right, the new dude. But wow, do they know marketing....I would be looking their way too.

How about if any leader gets more than a 5 second lead, the yellow comes out and they line up single file, then guy her.

Hate runaways, but I don't know if there will be any this year.
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Shake and Bake!
Save me, Tom Cruise!
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TerryB 1/7/2013 8:38pm
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Regis wrote:
Please let's hope it doesn't Where the upper half of the drivers make millions and sponsorships are corporate and the sport is pretty mainstream. Would hate...
Please let's hope it doesn't

Where the upper half of the drivers make millions and sponsorships are corporate and the sport is pretty mainstream. Would hate to see that happen.
Yeah, it would be awesome if we could all become millionaires by riding MX. Money is nice to have.

But, I think too many people want "their" sport, "their" interest validated by "mainstream" status. Looking at our culture, I personally consider that a step down.

Moto, in my mind, is much more cool because of the fact that we really are a seperate, rare breed. I personally am glad that we don't have mass appeal, and it will possibly be our downfall, in spite of the superficially percieved good (more money, live tv) that we enjoy as a result.

Is "corporate" money and influence a good thing? Really?

Just throwing some thought out there...
Crashinskinoff 1/7/2013 9:14pm
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The Nascar influence isn't bad. It's where our sport is headed. The BTO Sports/KTM team is sponsored by Bubba Burger this year, which does sponsor a...
The Nascar influence isn't bad. It's where our sport is headed. The BTO Sports/KTM team is sponsored by Bubba Burger this year, which does sponsor a Nascar Nationwide team. We were grilling Bubba Burgers at our pits and feeding fans for free! If it brings more money to the teams, then why not...

Bubba burgers kick ass! I run home at lunch and throw a couple on the gas grill, sprinkle some dales and crushed red pepper on them. Had one at lunch today.
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Moto Soul Mag wrote:
Yes, I seen it.
LMAO....Oh crap!....that right there is NASCAR! Ricky Charmichael kept say that same thing...."I seen that!"
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SuperMario wrote:
The flat billed hat and energy drink toting rider is what makes it look far worse the NASCAR.
ban the flatties...haha
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MXTR wrote:
Why would any these nimrods complain about any Nascar influence? Doesn't make sense, unless you're one of those hardcore, "back in the day" types. Face it...
Why would any these nimrods complain about any Nascar influence? Doesn't make sense, unless you're one of those hardcore, "back in the day" types.

Face it, having someone high up at some corporation (Lowes, General Mills, Mars...) that follows their hired guns (Jimmy Johnson, Kasey Kayne, Kyle Busch...) on twitter or FB, is going to peak his interest and maybe go visit one of the local SX races. Get one of these guys into the pits...well, they might see a potential place to market their goods!
I'm with this guy. ^^^
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Walter 1/8/2013 4:50am
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jonesaustin wrote:
i think we'd be on the right direction to emulate F1/MotoGP more than NASCAR. the sport needs more class, more prestige, and more exotica. NASCAR's machinery...
i think we'd be on the right direction to emulate F1/MotoGP more than NASCAR. the sport needs more class, more prestige, and more exotica. NASCAR's machinery is built on the heritage of rum runners and prohibition outlaws. that means "souping up" cars as we already know them. that's not even close to the same thing. motocross bikes are built like F-35s, for one purpose only. they're works of art like F1 racing machinery. that should set us apart.

likewise, NASCAR has associations that really ought not be placed on this sport. people already view us as something like Monster trucks. its because they weren't exposed to best side of the sport - the clean side. the intriguing, the exotic side.

and consider, Motocross came from Europe. it became huge when guys mostly from California began winning championships. they surfed. they skateboarded. this is an "Action Sport".

NASCAR just doesn't bring that vibe, and by trying to emulate their presence instead of something like MotoGP, which has way more allure and prestige, we're making a huge misstep.
I used to think somewhat along these lines...until I attended the Daytona 500 (my first NASCAR Cup event). I was astounded by the engineering in the cars, the technology that goes into them, and the sophistication of the programs. I was also impressed by the folks in the pit area: as in presidents of major corporations, etc. This ain't no backwoods sport anymore, it is a high end sport that gets more support than any other motorsport in the US.

Yes, F1 and MotoGP (I have attended these events in the US and in Europe) are very high end and "classy," but I do not want all of the intrigue and politics that permeate both venues. I also do not want the lack of parity that exists in both of those shows. Technology trumps driver/rider skill there. In dirt biking, it is still 80% rider / 20% machine. Just the opposite in F1 and MotoGP.
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Holigan 1/8/2013 7:40am
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We need more teams from NASCAR like JGR. And if Kimi (from F1) wants to start a SX/MX team, happy to have them.
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lumpy790 1/8/2013 7:43am
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NASCAR is a great model. Cant wait till I can stand in line at a SX or National to buy a riders own shirt, cap and jacket from HIS vendor truck. ....like in NASCAR.

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YAKMX 1/8/2013 8:00am
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Wide Worlds of Sports did it right.And it only took them 6 months.Whistling
dirtbikemike 1/8/2013 8:09am
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JeepnMike wrote:
I know they regularly show tweets from Jimmy Johnson which needs to be an exception here.. He grew up in SOCAL racing MX and started his...
I know they regularly show tweets from Jimmy Johnson which needs to be an exception here.. He grew up in SOCAL racing MX and started his career in off-road trucks (not NASCAR). Just saying.. an exception.. Smile

Hindsight, as MX grows more like NASCAR, the more likely my TV coverage gets better.
I saw an interview on a national network morning show with Jimmie Johnson. The host asked Johnson how he got started racing and he answered that he raced motocross. She then told Johnson that she had a young son that might be interested in racing. Johnson told her that he wouldn't recomend letting her son get a dirtbike or get into racing, it's too dangerous. Jimmie Johnson can suck my ass.
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jonesaustin wrote:
i think we'd be on the right direction to emulate F1/MotoGP more than NASCAR. the sport needs more class, more prestige, and more exotica. NASCAR's machinery...
i think we'd be on the right direction to emulate F1/MotoGP more than NASCAR. the sport needs more class, more prestige, and more exotica. NASCAR's machinery is built on the heritage of rum runners and prohibition outlaws. that means "souping up" cars as we already know them. that's not even close to the same thing. motocross bikes are built like F-35s, for one purpose only. they're works of art like F1 racing machinery. that should set us apart.

likewise, NASCAR has associations that really ought not be placed on this sport. people already view us as something like Monster trucks. its because they weren't exposed to best side of the sport - the clean side. the intriguing, the exotic side.

and consider, Motocross came from Europe. it became huge when guys mostly from California began winning championships. they surfed. they skateboarded. this is an "Action Sport".

NASCAR just doesn't bring that vibe, and by trying to emulate their presence instead of something like MotoGP, which has way more allure and prestige, we're making a huge misstep.
No, no, no.

I can't see the wine and cheese crowd at an outdoor national.
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gotwings 1/8/2013 9:38am
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TerryB wrote:
Agreed. But... Things have to be dumbed-down and sensationalized to appeal to American tastes, ala Monster trucks, WWE, Honey Boo Boo/Teen Mom reality television, and Hip-Hop...
Agreed. But... Things have to be dumbed-down and sensationalized to appeal to American tastes, ala Monster trucks, WWE, Honey Boo Boo/Teen Mom reality television, and Hip-Hop culture.
Thanks, somebody else gets it. NASCAR is viewed worldwide as being contrived, or "scripted", not a serious race series.
Soap Opera.
TripleFive 1/8/2013 10:13am
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gotwings wrote:
Thanks, somebody else gets it. NASCAR is viewed worldwide as being contrived, or "scripted", not a serious race series.
Soap Opera.
You can speak for the entire world; what's the global opinion of supercross? How many think the sport is about doing tricks?

Where do you come up with this garbage?
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Sully22 1/8/2013 10:29am
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is it me, or, are more people complaining this year than they did last year about a possible NASCAR influence? Not sure why some are so concerned either....lets see, more money in the sport, more corporate sponsors, mainstream coverage, polished presentation, and on and on. yeah, that's just horrible stuff right there....
TripleFive 1/8/2013 10:40am
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I don't get it either. It's not like the NASCAR influence is in any way affecting the racing, only the way it is promoted. NASCAR has been marketing a product many consider to be "boring" with great success for decades, we would be foolish to not take note.

The question I have is how do the riders themselves feel about this NASCARization? Do you think they are upset at the potential for greater exposer and outside-industry support? I'm sure the privateers are fuming.
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Regis wrote:
Please let's hope it doesn't Where the upper half of the drivers make millions and sponsorships are corporate and the sport is pretty mainstream. Would hate...
Please let's hope it doesn't

Where the upper half of the drivers make millions and sponsorships are corporate and the sport is pretty mainstream. Would hate to see that happen.
TerryB wrote:
Yeah, it would be awesome if we could all become millionaires by riding MX. Money is nice to have. But, I think too many people want...
Yeah, it would be awesome if we could all become millionaires by riding MX. Money is nice to have.

But, I think too many people want "their" sport, "their" interest validated by "mainstream" status. Looking at our culture, I personally consider that a step down.

Moto, in my mind, is much more cool because of the fact that we really are a seperate, rare breed. I personally am glad that we don't have mass appeal, and it will possibly be our downfall, in spite of the superficially percieved good (more money, live tv) that we enjoy as a result.

Is "corporate" money and influence a good thing? Really?

Just throwing some thought out there...
by this thinking, aren't we all "hipsters" against the "mainstream"?
TripleFive 1/8/2013 11:01am
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peelout wrote:
by this thinking, aren't we all "hipsters" against the "mainstream"?
TripleFive 1/8/2013 11:08am
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Regis wrote:
Please let's hope it doesn't Where the upper half of the drivers make millions and sponsorships are corporate and the sport is pretty mainstream. Would hate...
Please let's hope it doesn't

Where the upper half of the drivers make millions and sponsorships are corporate and the sport is pretty mainstream. Would hate to see that happen.
TerryB wrote:
Yeah, it would be awesome if we could all become millionaires by riding MX. Money is nice to have. But, I think too many people want...
Yeah, it would be awesome if we could all become millionaires by riding MX. Money is nice to have.

But, I think too many people want "their" sport, "their" interest validated by "mainstream" status. Looking at our culture, I personally consider that a step down.

Moto, in my mind, is much more cool because of the fact that we really are a seperate, rare breed. I personally am glad that we don't have mass appeal, and it will possibly be our downfall, in spite of the superficially percieved good (more money, live tv) that we enjoy as a result.

Is "corporate" money and influence a good thing? Really?

Just throwing some thought out there...
peelout wrote:
by this thinking, aren't we all "hipsters" against the "mainstream"?
Maybe Rutlegde is the exact image for TerryB's dream of keeping moto underground

TripleFive 1/8/2013 11:15am
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peelout wrote:
by this thinking, aren't we all "hipsters" against the "mainstream"?
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TerryB 1/8/2013 12:44pm
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Wow. Rough crowd...Laughing

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