forced from B to A, by AMA

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12/27/2012 1:51am
I can assure you that Jeff (Truckdriver) is not helping this kid as a way to market his own business, he's doing it because he's a grass roots motocrosser and trail boss who loves the sport and is trying to do some good for some of the local talent. Jeff drove our WWR rig for the first couple years we had it out there and we estimated that he did the work of 2.5 to 3 men consistently. He also dipped into his own pocket to cover repairs, expenses and a hundred other things out on the road. I'm not sure he ever did get reimbursed for the money he put out...unfortunately, a scandalous shyster named Darryl had infiltrated the management team and was taking Scott and the team for a loop through Hell.

I left the team I co-founded and came back to try to right the ship. When I did I was thrown into a chaotic clusterfuck with less than a month before A-1 and only Jeff (Truckdriver) to count on, which brings me to my point: Jeff (the OP) is as honest and hard-working as any man I've ever known, with a level of integrity that is unmatched. He's not looking for a loophole to sandbag, he's articulated their position clearly and has worked with enough privateers and amateurs over the years to know wtf he's talking about. I wish him nothing but the best and it's heartwarming to see him out there fighting the good fight on behalf of some good kids.

With that said, I'm as old school as it gets and never have been able to understand the concept of cherry-picking. Back then, our whole goal was to turn Pro asap...fuck the Junior and Intermediate classes! I won my first race I entered and never looked back, hitting the pro class within months and kept right on winning there...until I started racing CMC at Saddleback and Carlsbad on Sundays instead of DeAnza. I'd win on Friday night at Corona Raceway, then get lapped by Marty Smith on Sunday at Saddleback. My opinion is that if you race against better riders it makes you better. I'll also admit that beating twenty guys on Friday night at my "home" track went a long ways towards lifting my spirits after getting spanked on Sunday! Eventually I was able to win against the top guys at CMC on Sunday, but it took a long time. I could see where a kid could get his spirit crushed by getting beat every week, but it will build character!
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12/27/2012 6:38am
it sucks that so much has been put on the top spot at amateur nationals that most have to resort to working the loopholes to hold themselves back until rider "x" moves on and opens up a possible spot at the top....

it sucks that there is no pride to want to make it to local A, like it used to be, and go from there and see where you fit in at the top....

it sucks that it has filtered all the way down to the C class where if a guy win's the C class title he feels as though he has accomplished something worthy of repeating over and over and over....
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12/27/2012 8:27am
brocster wrote:
it sucks that so much has been put on the top spot at amateur nationals that most have to resort to working the loopholes to hold...
it sucks that so much has been put on the top spot at amateur nationals that most have to resort to working the loopholes to hold themselves back until rider "x" moves on and opens up a possible spot at the top....

it sucks that there is no pride to want to make it to local A, like it used to be, and go from there and see where you fit in at the top....

it sucks that it has filtered all the way down to the C class where if a guy win's the C class title he feels as though he has accomplished something worthy of repeating over and over and over....
Life sucks in a lot of ways, get used to it.
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12/27/2012 8:52am
Thout of this thread.

This kids very first A race, so he is just a glorified B classer, still has the yellow plates on his bike. Hucks the biggest jump on the pro national circuit, while leading A class.

https://youtu.be/ni5Zu3LtT6c

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12/27/2012 9:26am
This is something to ask FTE, I don't think you can force a person to turn pro from a legal aspect. Check on other sports to see if this is true.
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12/27/2012 9:48am
MBBadgers wrote:
This is something to ask FTE, I don't think you can force a person to turn pro from a legal aspect. Check on other sports to...
This is something to ask FTE, I don't think you can force a person to turn pro from a legal aspect. Check on other sports to see if this is true.
I don't think anyone is being forced to do anything, especially race pro.

Most sports do have eligibility rules, however, and just like the NCAA has their "progression" system, so does mx......

There are plenty of college senior football players who haven't played much, if at all, and aren't going to be playing at the next level who are not allowed to continue playing at the collegiate level. That's how their progression system works.
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12/27/2012 10:11am
125 wrote:
Thout of this thread. This kids very first A race, so he is just a glorified B classer, still has the yellow plates on his bike...
Thout of this thread.

This kids very first A race, so he is just a glorified B classer, still has the yellow plates on his bike. Hucks the biggest jump on the pro national circuit, while leading A class.

https://youtu.be/ni5Zu3LtT6c
well for the record, thats austin wagner (lisa akin & bobby wagner's boy). I guess you could call that his home track per say if you know your district 14 or michigan mafia history. of course he's gonna huck the leap....probably hucked it in the c class as well.
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12/27/2012 10:14am
brocster wrote:
it sucks that so much has been put on the top spot at amateur nationals that most have to resort to working the loopholes to hold...
it sucks that so much has been put on the top spot at amateur nationals that most have to resort to working the loopholes to hold themselves back until rider "x" moves on and opens up a possible spot at the top....

it sucks that there is no pride to want to make it to local A, like it used to be, and go from there and see where you fit in at the top....

it sucks that it has filtered all the way down to the C class where if a guy win's the C class title he feels as though he has accomplished something worthy of repeating over and over and over....
thatdad wrote:
Life sucks in a lot of ways, get used to it.
because these scenerios suck, to me, doesn't mean life sucks....unless you are a participant then maybe it might.

with that handle I'm guessing you are getting used to it
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12/27/2012 10:17am
Bauer wrote:
I can assure you that Jeff (Truckdriver) is not helping this kid as a way to market his own business, he's doing it because he's a...
I can assure you that Jeff (Truckdriver) is not helping this kid as a way to market his own business, he's doing it because he's a grass roots motocrosser and trail boss who loves the sport and is trying to do some good for some of the local talent. Jeff drove our WWR rig for the first couple years we had it out there and we estimated that he did the work of 2.5 to 3 men consistently. He also dipped into his own pocket to cover repairs, expenses and a hundred other things out on the road. I'm not sure he ever did get reimbursed for the money he put out...unfortunately, a scandalous shyster named Darryl had infiltrated the management team and was taking Scott and the team for a loop through Hell.

I left the team I co-founded and came back to try to right the ship. When I did I was thrown into a chaotic clusterfuck with less than a month before A-1 and only Jeff (Truckdriver) to count on, which brings me to my point: Jeff (the OP) is as honest and hard-working as any man I've ever known, with a level of integrity that is unmatched. He's not looking for a loophole to sandbag, he's articulated their position clearly and has worked with enough privateers and amateurs over the years to know wtf he's talking about. I wish him nothing but the best and it's heartwarming to see him out there fighting the good fight on behalf of some good kids.

With that said, I'm as old school as it gets and never have been able to understand the concept of cherry-picking. Back then, our whole goal was to turn Pro asap...fuck the Junior and Intermediate classes! I won my first race I entered and never looked back, hitting the pro class within months and kept right on winning there...until I started racing CMC at Saddleback and Carlsbad on Sundays instead of DeAnza. I'd win on Friday night at Corona Raceway, then get lapped by Marty Smith on Sunday at Saddleback. My opinion is that if you race against better riders it makes you better. I'll also admit that beating twenty guys on Friday night at my "home" track went a long ways towards lifting my spirits after getting spanked on Sunday! Eventually I was able to win against the top guys at CMC on Sunday, but it took a long time. I could see where a kid could get his spirit crushed by getting beat every week, but it will build character!
Not knowing the truckdriver guy i had to ask, as i think many others may have also. It at least satisfys my questions.

I can tell you this. the rider in question can easily appeal and see what happens.

in a way your post and many others in here make the argument that the system actually works. not perfect but it's the only one out there nationally.
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12/27/2012 10:20am
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Merry Christmas Wardy!
back at ya hey we are rcaing in Georgia in Feb. LOL likely talk to alot more this next month. but thought we will be closer to your zip code then normal LOL>
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12/27/2012 10:38am
brocster wrote:
it sucks that so much has been put on the top spot at amateur nationals that most have to resort to working the loopholes to hold...
it sucks that so much has been put on the top spot at amateur nationals that most have to resort to working the loopholes to hold themselves back until rider "x" moves on and opens up a possible spot at the top....

it sucks that there is no pride to want to make it to local A, like it used to be, and go from there and see where you fit in at the top....

it sucks that it has filtered all the way down to the C class where if a guy win's the C class title he feels as though he has accomplished something worthy of repeating over and over and over....
thatdad wrote:
Life sucks in a lot of ways, get used to it.
brocster wrote:
because these scenerios suck, to me, doesn't mean life sucks....unless you are a participant then maybe it might. with that handle I'm guessing you are getting...
because these scenerios suck, to me, doesn't mean life sucks....unless you are a participant then maybe it might.

with that handle I'm guessing you are getting used to it
Unfortunately, yes, I have accepted the process. I do not write the rules and acceptance doesn't mean I like it. I would just like to know what it is and plan accordingly.
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12/27/2012 11:40am
Forced from B to A...

...humblebrag
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12/28/2012 6:15pm
125 wrote:
Thout of this thread. This kids very first A race, so he is just a glorified B classer, still has the yellow plates on his bike...
Thout of this thread.

This kids very first A race, so he is just a glorified B classer, still has the yellow plates on his bike. Hucks the biggest jump on the pro national circuit, while leading A class.

https://youtu.be/ni5Zu3LtT6c
dboivin wrote:
well for the record, thats austin wagner (lisa akin & bobby wagner's boy). I guess you could call that his home track per say if you...
well for the record, thats austin wagner (lisa akin & bobby wagner's boy). I guess you could call that his home track per say if you know your district 14 or michigan mafia history. of course he's gonna huck the leap....probably hucked it in the c class as well.
Doing it at a district 14 race and doing it at the national are two totally different things!
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12/28/2012 10:54pm
yea the parking lot is much emptier during a district race and they only need one wheel barrow for the front gate?


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12/29/2012 6:49am
Never understood how or why a person would participate in a sport without knowing the rules.Ama rules are there for everybody to read including advancement and if you don't understand them,call them you will get a answer.
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12/29/2012 6:51am
other than a small increase in sign up fees..... why is it more expensive to race in the A class than in B?
A top B rider will be at the top of A class too.

its much easier to qualify for LL in the A class than it is in the B class.
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12/29/2012 7:01am
I got moved up from the intermediate class to the pro class in 1986 or maybe 1987. Along with Mike Young, Chris Young, and Craig Davis....but that was only local here in So Ca....
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12/29/2012 7:25am
fader418 wrote:
I got moved up from the intermediate class to the pro class in 1986 or maybe 1987. Along with Mike Young, Chris Young, and Craig Davis....but...
I got moved up from the intermediate class to the pro class in 1986 or maybe 1987. Along with Mike Young, Chris Young, and Craig Davis....but that was only local here in So Ca....
Both CMC and NMA bumped me up for 1990. CMC just sent me a Pro card the week after the '89 Trans-Cal ended...

Thanks a lot Sondra!
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12/29/2012 9:10am
fader418 wrote:
I got moved up from the intermediate class to the pro class in 1986 or maybe 1987. Along with Mike Young, Chris Young, and Craig Davis....but...
I got moved up from the intermediate class to the pro class in 1986 or maybe 1987. Along with Mike Young, Chris Young, and Craig Davis....but that was only local here in So Ca....
slipdog wrote:
Both CMC and NMA bumped me up for 1990. CMC just sent me a Pro card the week after the '89 Trans-Cal ended... Thanks a lot...
Both CMC and NMA bumped me up for 1990. CMC just sent me a Pro card the week after the '89 Trans-Cal ended...

Thanks a lot Sondra!
Thats funny I used to always call Sondra in the 90's asking if I could move down a class...made alot of "yz bucks" back then. I agree with Bauer, back in the day you could make decent money winning local pro races. Well I did at De Anza anyway, but I think its different now. You have to have a good ride from the amateurs to even have a chance to race pro...
12/29/2012 9:44am
If there was no national championships to be won in the B and C classes, nobody would be willing to hang around in them, nor would this kind of thing even be an issue.

It is Ok to be a state champ or district champ as a B or C rider, but then you need to be advanced to the next level and only when attaining "A" status should you be able to win a National title.
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12/30/2012 4:18pm
Well we went ahead and the move too A. In his first A race's he was 11th overall in 250A and 13th in 450A. He had some arm pump issues and over jumped into the Texas 12 pack and hurt his ankle a little bit. Overall a good first showing and we learned what issues we need to improve upon.
And I believe my MX career has come to a halt. Winged my right shoulder pretty good so I think I will toss in the towel.?
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12/30/2012 4:48pm
Truckdriver .... how many times have you already tossed in the towel?

give you 2 weeks till your chomping at the bitt to be on the track again.

Good 1st showing in the A class.....gives him a challenge to work for
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12/30/2012 5:03pm
MBBadgers wrote:
This is something to ask FTE, I don't think you can force a person to turn pro from a legal aspect. Check on other sports to...
This is something to ask FTE, I don't think you can force a person to turn pro from a legal aspect. Check on other sports to see if this is true.
turning A and turning PRO are different. I raced +25A but am by no means a pro..

how many riders were in his gate truckdriver? hopefully it was still fun for him, after all thats what it is about

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