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jhansen510 wrote:
I would love to know where Fader418 gets his facts from. Are you following these dudes into the bathroom and leaving with a cup of their...
I would love to know where Fader418 gets his facts from. Are you following these dudes into the bathroom and leaving with a cup of their piss? Chad and Stewie the only riders not doing them? Please.... You gotta get a clue white boy. If it can be done without trouble, they would be doing them to. I would love to see you ask this question to RD5 after a 30 plus 2. Next thread please!
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It appears Fader stated that comment, however, he didn't. He stated the source originally as it was in another thread. That source asked his name be...
It appears Fader stated that comment, however, he didn't. He stated the source originally as it was in another thread. That source asked his name be taken off this post and he did. Sot it appears it is his statement, it's not.
Correct. A pro rider who also posted in this thread originally posted it....you can probably narrow that down. Smile
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UpTiTe wrote:
Yes its here and yes very fast guys take them just like average guys take them. Average recovery time for ACL for the average joe? Walking...
Yes its here and yes very fast guys take them just like average guys take them.

Average recovery time for ACL for the average joe? Walking and biking—12 weeks ,running—6 months.

Average recovery time for ACL for factory Joe? walking and biking— 2-3 weeks, running—2 months .


A factory rider recently had his knee done and was bycycling 1 week later, can you do that?

Two factory riders have missed the Supercross season because of severe knee injuries just to come back stronger and faster then pre injury and destryoed the comp, both used the same trainer.
can u hit that nail head any more center? lol everyone just ignores how quickly some guys recover...
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Regis 12/23/2012 10:07am
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UpTiTe wrote:
Yes its here and yes very fast guys take them just like average guys take them. Average recovery time for ACL for the average joe? Walking...
Yes its here and yes very fast guys take them just like average guys take them.

Average recovery time for ACL for the average joe? Walking and biking—12 weeks ,running—6 months.

Average recovery time for ACL for factory Joe? walking and biking— 2-3 weeks, running—2 months .


A factory rider recently had his knee done and was bycycling 1 week later, can you do that?

Two factory riders have missed the Supercross season because of severe knee injuries just to come back stronger and faster then pre injury and destryoed the comp, both used the same trainer.
mellonhs wrote:
can u hit that nail head any more center? lol everyone just ignores how quickly some guys recover...
In all fairness,

Technology in the knee repair department has vastly improved. I know an over 50 year old gentlemen that rides that went to the same doctor this factory rider you speak of did for his recent ACL surgery and he was up and about nearly just as quick. Trust me, he wasn't taking and PED's either.
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UpTiTe wrote:
Yes its here and yes very fast guys take them just like average guys take them. Average recovery time for ACL for the average joe? Walking...
Yes its here and yes very fast guys take them just like average guys take them.

Average recovery time for ACL for the average joe? Walking and biking—12 weeks ,running—6 months.

Average recovery time for ACL for factory Joe? walking and biking— 2-3 weeks, running—2 months .


A factory rider recently had his knee done and was bycycling 1 week later, can you do that?

Two factory riders have missed the Supercross season because of severe knee injuries just to come back stronger and faster then pre injury and destryoed the comp, both used the same trainer.
mellonhs wrote:
can u hit that nail head any more center? lol everyone just ignores how quickly some guys recover...
It's a factory riders job so he will get better treatment than avg Jo and I think maybe factory rider puts more work into his recovery.

Have you known anyone who has had acl surgery? It's amazing how fast the recovery is to get basic mobility. Getting on a stationery bike after 3 weeks is not ground breaking stuff.

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APLMAN99 12/23/2012 10:48am
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Jeff alessi wrote:
Can you just take off the 'Jeff alessi wrote' part. I'm not really interested in that phone call ill get if my dad knows I said...
Can you just take off the 'Jeff alessi wrote' part. I'm not really interested in that phone call ill get if my dad knows I said that. Lol. But iv stated my brother doesn't take anything and he has no reason to, he works hard and does everything he can do have the best natural body for racing.
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As opposed to who? What other top riders don't work hard? I don't doubt that there are riders that push the envelope, but there are times...
As opposed to who? What other top riders don't work hard?

I don't doubt that there are riders that push the envelope, but there are times when an accusation sounds a bit like an excuse for why one rider can't beat another rider.....
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He never said other riders don't work hard. He merely stated PED's are in the sport. Matter of fact, PED's won't do shit unless you are...
He never said other riders don't work hard. He merely stated PED's are in the sport. Matter of fact, PED's won't do shit unless you are working hard.

It's not like you can sit on the couch eating donuts and drinking DR. Pepper, take a shot once a week and be ready for 20 laps at A1.
He said that his brother had no need to, then qualified that because he worked hard. The inference is that you only need to if you aren't going to work hard.
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Regis 12/23/2012 10:57am
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As opposed to who? What other top riders don't work hard? I don't doubt that there are riders that push the envelope, but there are times...
As opposed to who? What other top riders don't work hard?

I don't doubt that there are riders that push the envelope, but there are times when an accusation sounds a bit like an excuse for why one rider can't beat another rider.....
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He never said other riders don't work hard. He merely stated PED's are in the sport. Matter of fact, PED's won't do shit unless you are...
He never said other riders don't work hard. He merely stated PED's are in the sport. Matter of fact, PED's won't do shit unless you are working hard.

It's not like you can sit on the couch eating donuts and drinking DR. Pepper, take a shot once a week and be ready for 20 laps at A1.
APLMAN99 wrote:
He said that his brother had no need to, then qualified that because he worked hard. The inference is that you only need to if you...
He said that his brother had no need to, then qualified that because he worked hard. The inference is that you only need to if you aren't going to work hard.
I think you are reading too much into that.

whatever.
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mellonhs 12/23/2012 11:55am
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UpTiTe wrote:
Yes its here and yes very fast guys take them just like average guys take them. Average recovery time for ACL for the average joe? Walking...
Yes its here and yes very fast guys take them just like average guys take them.

Average recovery time for ACL for the average joe? Walking and biking—12 weeks ,running—6 months.

Average recovery time for ACL for factory Joe? walking and biking— 2-3 weeks, running—2 months .


A factory rider recently had his knee done and was bycycling 1 week later, can you do that?

Two factory riders have missed the Supercross season because of severe knee injuries just to come back stronger and faster then pre injury and destryoed the comp, both used the same trainer.
mellonhs wrote:
can u hit that nail head any more center? lol everyone just ignores how quickly some guys recover...
Fat Fingers wrote:
It's a factory riders job so he will get better treatment than avg Jo and I think maybe factory rider puts more work into his recovery...
It's a factory riders job so he will get better treatment than avg Jo and I think maybe factory rider puts more work into his recovery.

Have you known anyone who has had acl surgery? It's amazing how fast the recovery is to get basic mobility. Getting on a stationery bike after 3 weeks is not ground breaking stuff.
Yes sir i know 3 actually... one just got over his... hes a basketball player tho he wasnt able to run or jump for 5 months... but i know he prolly wasnt putting in near the dedication a pro rider would but still man 2 months? thats crazy imo
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ocscottie 12/23/2012 12:05pm
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I posted this in that other thread, what Chad had to say about the whole testing deal: (his quote is at the bottom of the pic)

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Regis wrote:
He never said other riders don't work hard. He merely stated PED's are in the sport. Matter of fact, PED's won't do shit unless you are...
He never said other riders don't work hard. He merely stated PED's are in the sport. Matter of fact, PED's won't do shit unless you are working hard.

It's not like you can sit on the couch eating donuts and drinking DR. Pepper, take a shot once a week and be ready for 20 laps at A1.
APLMAN99 wrote:
He said that his brother had no need to, then qualified that because he worked hard. The inference is that you only need to if you...
He said that his brother had no need to, then qualified that because he worked hard. The inference is that you only need to if you aren't going to work hard.
Regis wrote:
I think you are reading too much into that.

whatever.
It's pretty straight forward, actually......
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BAMX 12/23/2012 12:21pm
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It seems obvious that if they don't test, guys are going to do it,especially considering that you have number of high profile trainers who have worker with cyclists at high levels. I can think of one who has worked with the most famous/infamous doper in the history of sport.
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Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's"

If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV, is that or is that not a "PED?"
It isn't a drug but is performance enhancing, and it is illegal as per the rules

PED's aren't always steroids.
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APLMAN99 12/23/2012 12:29pm
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flarider wrote:
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's" If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV...
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's"

If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV, is that or is that not a "PED?"
It isn't a drug but is performance enhancing, and it is illegal as per the rules

PED's aren't always steroids.
Agreed.

And it's a sport where having surgery on your arms to (try to) eliminate arm pump was actually promoted.....
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bobby397 12/23/2012 12:38pm
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My dad has been taking PED's for awhile now, mom said he wouldn't be able to preform with out his viagra...
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flarider wrote:
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's" If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV...
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's"

If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV, is that or is that not a "PED?"
It isn't a drug but is performance enhancing, and it is illegal as per the rules

PED's aren't always steroids.
Pretty sure the same one's cyclists are using are suspected. I think Ping has alluded to this in the past.
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flarider wrote:
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's" If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV...
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's"

If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV, is that or is that not a "PED?"
It isn't a drug but is performance enhancing, and it is illegal as per the rules

PED's aren't always steroids.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Pretty sure the same one's cyclists are using are suspected. I think Ping has alluded to this in the past.
But my point is, the definition in this sport is likely broader than things like EPO, blood doping and the like.
The needs in MX is different than the needs in cycling. MX/SX is essentially high intensity short term energy bursts compared to multiple days of hours and hours of intensity.

Again, go back to the IV...that's legal in cycling and a normal part of the post race routine, but in MX/SX it's illegal.

So using cycling as a basis of what is or isn't PED use isn't exactly fair or accurate
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flarider wrote:
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's" If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV...
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's"

If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV, is that or is that not a "PED?"
It isn't a drug but is performance enhancing, and it is illegal as per the rules

PED's aren't always steroids.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Pretty sure the same one's cyclists are using are suspected. I think Ping has alluded to this in the past.
flarider wrote:
But my point is, the definition in this sport is likely broader than things like EPO, blood doping and the like. The needs in MX is...
But my point is, the definition in this sport is likely broader than things like EPO, blood doping and the like.
The needs in MX is different than the needs in cycling. MX/SX is essentially high intensity short term energy bursts compared to multiple days of hours and hours of intensity.

Again, go back to the IV...that's legal in cycling and a normal part of the post race routine, but in MX/SX it's illegal.

So using cycling as a basis of what is or isn't PED use isn't exactly fair or accurate
Dave....wasn't it Doug Henry that got in trouble with the AMA circa 1995 or so for doing IV treatments because he has low blood sugar or something to that affect? Basically he needed it to just be able to function properly? Again....this may not of been Doug , but I thought it was.
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flarider wrote:
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's" If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV...
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's"

If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV, is that or is that not a "PED?"
It isn't a drug but is performance enhancing, and it is illegal as per the rules

PED's aren't always steroids.
Exactly. I doubt many are doing roids and if they are what type of roids? Certainly not ones that make you bigger because that would put you at a disadvantage. There are many different types of PED's. I think most just bust there ass training and might do some supplements to help the body recover and go longer. Not sure if there is anything wrong with that.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Dave....wasn't it Doug Henry that got in trouble with the AMA circa 1995 or so for doing IV treatments because he has low blood sugar or...
Dave....wasn't it Doug Henry that got in trouble with the AMA circa 1995 or so for doing IV treatments because he has low blood sugar or something to that affect? Basically he needed it to just be able to function properly? Again....this may not of been Doug , but I thought it was.
Doug was sick, flu, I believe, and he did it in order to have the strength to race moto 2 and after that was deemed illegal

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flarider wrote:
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's" If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV...
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's"

If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV, is that or is that not a "PED?"
It isn't a drug but is performance enhancing, and it is illegal as per the rules

PED's aren't always steroids.
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Exactly. I doubt many are doing roids and if they are what type of roids? Certainly not ones that make you bigger because that would put...
Exactly. I doubt many are doing roids and if they are what type of roids? Certainly not ones that make you bigger because that would put you at a disadvantage. There are many different types of PED's. I think most just bust there ass training and might do some supplements to help the body recover and go longer. Not sure if there is anything wrong with that.
There's all kinds of things, but let's say there was a drug that you could take that would allow you to recover faster and/or more fully, so you can ride 2x harder in a day as opposed to 1x per day, or allow you to train on sunday, a day traditionally considered a day of recovery after racing, giving you more saddle time and more testing time, adding a full day and then some to what was or is considered a "normal weekly schedule."
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jhansen510 wrote:
I would love to know where Fader418 gets his facts from. Are you following these dudes into the bathroom and leaving with a cup of their...
I would love to know where Fader418 gets his facts from. Are you following these dudes into the bathroom and leaving with a cup of their piss? Chad and Stewie the only riders not doing them? Please.... You gotta get a clue white boy. If it can be done without trouble, they would be doing them to. I would love to see you ask this question to RD5 after a 30 plus 2. Next thread please!
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It appears Fader stated that comment, however, he didn't. He stated the source originally as it was in another thread. That source asked his name be...
It appears Fader stated that comment, however, he didn't. He stated the source originally as it was in another thread. That source asked his name be taken off this post and he did. Sot it appears it is his statement, it's not.
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Correct. A pro rider who also posted in this thread originally posted it....you can probably narrow that down. Smile
I agree jhansen, what a pack of clowns, no facts, no source, just a group of old ladies with nothing better to do, hilarious.
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I hate to make accusations but like most things in this sport, no one wants to stand for whats right and they'd rather just BRO down with each other.

Matthes is the biggest cock sucker these days and would never report the truth, nor would DC (who is a corrupt promoter)
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Honestly it's my own opinion but I could care less who takes what. I know plenty of my friends have taken different things, you work harder while "on" than off.
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Hando wrote:
I hate to make accusations but like most things in this sport, no one wants to stand for whats right and they'd rather just BRO down...
I hate to make accusations but like most things in this sport, no one wants to stand for whats right and they'd rather just BRO down with each other.

Matthes is the biggest cock sucker these days and would never report the truth, nor would DC (who is a corrupt promoter)
Badabimbadaboom! NUTKICK! Laughing Santa is here....Says it's not cool w peds. You can being rednosed for the rest of your life.....
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flarider wrote:
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's" If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV...
Thing is, especially in this sport, you really need to define "PED's"

If a simple saline IV is illegal between races/motos and you're taking an IV, is that or is that not a "PED?"
It isn't a drug but is performance enhancing, and it is illegal as per the rules

PED's aren't always steroids.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Pretty sure the same one's cyclists are using are suspected. I think Ping has alluded to this in the past.
flarider wrote:
But my point is, the definition in this sport is likely broader than things like EPO, blood doping and the like. The needs in MX is...
But my point is, the definition in this sport is likely broader than things like EPO, blood doping and the like.
The needs in MX is different than the needs in cycling. MX/SX is essentially high intensity short term energy bursts compared to multiple days of hours and hours of intensity.

Again, go back to the IV...that's legal in cycling and a normal part of the post race routine, but in MX/SX it's illegal.

So using cycling as a basis of what is or isn't PED use isn't exactly fair or accurate
I thought the FIM defined that?
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JackLHyde wrote:
Love this topic. I can only imagine how long it takes till it's being shut down.
There's no taboo here, but I will say that my general objection to these kinds of threads is people who have no personal experience with the rider and trainers involved start throwing around accusations that they can't back up.
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GuyB 12/23/2012 5:23pm
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Hando wrote:
I hate to make accusations but like most things in this sport, no one wants to stand for whats right and they'd rather just BRO down...
I hate to make accusations but like most things in this sport, no one wants to stand for whats right and they'd rather just BRO down with each other.

Matthes is the biggest cock sucker these days and would never report the truth, nor would DC (who is a corrupt promoter)
Speaking of accusations...

I'm pretty sure you used to post here. That's an accusation that can be backed up.
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Pretty sure the same one's cyclists are using are suspected. I think Ping has alluded to this in the past.
flarider wrote:
But my point is, the definition in this sport is likely broader than things like EPO, blood doping and the like. The needs in MX is...
But my point is, the definition in this sport is likely broader than things like EPO, blood doping and the like.
The needs in MX is different than the needs in cycling. MX/SX is essentially high intensity short term energy bursts compared to multiple days of hours and hours of intensity.

Again, go back to the IV...that's legal in cycling and a normal part of the post race routine, but in MX/SX it's illegal.

So using cycling as a basis of what is or isn't PED use isn't exactly fair or accurate
Choppy wrote:
I thought the FIM defined that?
Did the FIM make saline IV's illegal first or did the AMA?

and how do you test for it's usage?
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Hando wrote:
I hate to make accusations but like most things in this sport, no one wants to stand for whats right and they'd rather just BRO down...
I hate to make accusations but like most things in this sport, no one wants to stand for whats right and they'd rather just BRO down with each other.

Matthes is the biggest cock sucker these days and would never report the truth, nor would DC (who is a corrupt promoter)
Holy shit.
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jeffro503 12/23/2012 5:26pm
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Dave....wasn't it Doug Henry that got in trouble with the AMA circa 1995 or so for doing IV treatments because he has low blood sugar or...
Dave....wasn't it Doug Henry that got in trouble with the AMA circa 1995 or so for doing IV treatments because he has low blood sugar or something to that affect? Basically he needed it to just be able to function properly? Again....this may not of been Doug , but I thought it was.
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Doug was sick, flu, I believe, and he did it in order to have the strength to race moto 2 and after that was deemed illegal
Gotcha! I knew it was something like that , but couldn't remember the full story. I know he didn't need to do anything like that later down the road.....so I wasn't sure exactly what it was that was bothering him. Thanks for the info.
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All I did was copy and paste what a rider said in another thread. He wanted me to delete his name so I did....

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