i think herlings/cairoli could take dungey/villo at millville

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10/5/2012 8:58am
jamma10 wrote:
Well, to be fair Barcia's was kind of self inflicted whereas Cairoli was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also Cairoli's bike was...
Well, to be fair Barcia's was kind of self inflicted whereas Cairoli was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also Cairoli's bike was wrecked in that crash, the sub frame had collapsed at the exhaust was hanging off. He would have been disqualified even if he'd tried to continue.
Was it at Budds that AC broke a wheel trying to keep up with RV2?
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10/5/2012 9:22am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2012 9:23am
jamma10 wrote:
Well, to be fair Barcia's was kind of self inflicted whereas Cairoli was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also Cairoli's bike was...
Well, to be fair Barcia's was kind of self inflicted whereas Cairoli was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also Cairoli's bike was wrecked in that crash, the sub frame had collapsed at the exhaust was hanging off. He would have been disqualified even if he'd tried to continue.
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Was it at Budds that AC broke a wheel trying to keep up with RV2?
Yeah 2007.

He crashed in almost identical fashion to Barcia, but Cairoli's wheel locked up straight away and wouldn't turn. Who knows if Barcia even noticed that he had spokes missing until his front wheel locked up on the last lap. Luckily for him it happened right outside the pit lane.
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10/5/2012 9:26am
I would like to see MX Sports add a real sand track to the series. Lommel made for some badass tv.
I would love for the water truck to break at a national... And for the water to be shut off....

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10/5/2012 11:24am
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Of course they could win there, Reed beat Dungey in a moto there last year, so Cairoli and Herlings would definitely challenge Villopoto and Dungey. They...
Of course they could win there, Reed beat Dungey in a moto there last year, so Cairoli and Herlings would definitely challenge Villopoto and Dungey. They might win, they might not, but they would all be a similar speed, if they got a decent length of practice!

If anyone thinks they wouldn't be close they are deluded. They certainly wouldn't get beat by as much as Dungey did at Lommel lol
good call dude, at least someones staying off the 'butthurt' crack pipe
Ive been cheering for Tommy Searle all year to beat Herlings and he did quite a few times.Apart from deep sand Herlings is very beatable and to think that Villopoto and Dungey wouldn't beat him by a large margin is a bit deluded.Why so many Brits are kissing Herlings arse is beyond me,I can't stand him and most Brits hated him this year after all crap he caused.
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10/5/2012 11:26am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2012 11:41am
PressPassP wrote:
Laptimes from the time they've met in (Hardpack) France: Race2 Ryan Villopoto 1.49.7 Jeffery Herlings 1.49.9 Race3 Ryan Villopoto 1.44.4 Ryan Dungey 1.46.0 Jeffery Herlings 1.46.3...
Laptimes from the time they've met in (Hardpack) France:

Race2

Ryan Villopoto 1.49.7
Jeffery Herlings 1.49.9



Race3

Ryan Villopoto 1.44.4
Ryan Dungey 1.46.0
Jeffery Herlings 1.46.3

That was a year ago,Herlings Rookie race on the big bike,he's definately improved since,

However in was in Europe so there's a Euro advantage,I'm not saying Herlings would beat everyone at other US tracks,he'd LOVE Southwick and I'm sure he'd run upfront somewhere in the Nationals,

Like him or not,the kid's damn fast!!
Yeah, 2 seconds off a lap isn't exactly on pace there buddy.

Herlings is a great sand rider but comparing him to RV/RD is fucking laughable, just pure comedy.

The guy rails but Roczen was supposed to be the fastest thing ever outdoors and he beat Herlings a lot, and look what happened, and that was in the 250 class. You think Herlings could hang with Villo and Dungey on home soil at Red Bud or Pala or where ever the OP was talking about? HA

AC is a top 3 guy no matter what,
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10/5/2012 11:34am
Dungey would fucking rape Herlings/AC at Millvile. Just ask RV how Dungey goes at his hometrack
10/5/2012 12:07pm
Dungey would fucking rape Herlings/AC at Millvile. Just ask RV how Dungey goes at his hometrack
Ask RV how Dungey goes at HIS hometrack too... Woohoo
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10/5/2012 12:27pm
Dungey would fucking rape Herlings/AC at Millvile. Just ask RV how Dungey goes at his hometrack
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Ask RV how Dungey goes at HIS hometrack too... Woohoo
Huh? Isn't that what he just said? Huh

I think people are crazy to think Herlings could beat Dungey at Millville. Millville isn't a sand track like Lommel and it's Dungey's favorite.

Herlings and Cairoli are obviously faster in the sand than any US or AMA rider. But some seem to forget all the home track advantage stuff that was spouted at Thunder Valley or Budds which weren't even the same level of home track as Lommel was to Herlings or Cairoli... I mean it is his test/practice track lol. When I had a private track a few years back I used to be able to be able to keep up with guys I could never run with at the races.

However, Herlings or Cairoli would win on ANY track like Lommel. Germany earned the victory and road awesome along with AC and JH. I just think it should be kept in perspective. 2012 was a very unique MXDN track. I get that some rub it in when the US wins so what's due is due.... but a few things are being blown out of proportion in all the excitement.

Next year will be awesome... makes the MXDN even more interesting.
10/5/2012 12:34pm
You all know im a huge GP fan and think the top of the MX1 class is on par with top of AMA 450 class, but...
You all know im a huge GP fan and think the top of the MX1 class is on par with top of AMA 450 class, but lets be realistic. Cairoli would stand no chance vs Dungey at Millville. The kid hasn't lost a overall there since 2008.

Look, Cairoli spanked Dung at Lommel, I get that, but overall Dungey is 3-1 vs Cairoli at the Nations. I understand Antonio's had some bad luck, but in Lakewood Dungey had him straight up handled. He loses once and now Cairoli suddenly can beat him in his back yard at Milleville? Come on now, really? I think momma Canard said it best already.. Lol
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Didn't Cairoli win a moto in the 2009 MXON held in Italy (HARDPACK) beating Reed & Dungey ?
Yes, and Dungey was in MX1... Cairoli/Reed went 1-2 in moto 1 .. Dungey went 3-1 for overall. Cairoli went down really hard in first-turn of moto 2 and ended his weekend. Reed went down as well. That's why I said in my post I know Cairoli's had some bad luck. Remember , though, that was Dungey's first-ever international MX race, first-ever MX race on a 450 and he only had a couple weeks to prepare after the nationals. And some would argue that you make your own luck.

My comments were more about the fact that everyone seems to be making way to much out of Cairoli beating Dungey in the sand. Now all of a sudden Cairoli could spank Dungey at Millville? Woohoo Sure Cairoli has as much of a chance to beat him any of the top guys do, but in the last 5 years nobody has stood on the top of the box in Millville except Dungey. Bottom line is, don't discount Dungey's three straight MX1 wins at the Nations just because he had a off day. .
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10/5/2012 12:55pm
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and southwick, other tracks not so much.

haven't checked shedule but bound to be a clash, have to wait till 2014 i guess
Denn700 wrote:
They couldn't handle the whoops. I would like to see them race Southwick.
You're crazy. Herlings is the whoop master!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hArKiAdPIvo
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10/5/2012 1:23pm
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I love how Americans think it is impossible that the World Champions could be on the same pace as a Villopoto or Dungey at Millville/southwick lol...
I love how Americans think it is impossible that the World Champions could be on the same pace as a Villopoto or Dungey at Millville/southwick lol Of course the Americans would be favourites since it is their own country, but still, other non american riders have beat those two so of course the two current world champs could. Any of them could win a race at Millville, plus other riders. ( Dungey of course would be the favourite though)

When Americans win the World Championship then you can proclaim your rider is the best in the world, (without the advantage of racing foreign riders in ur own country or as team) Until just admit to the truth that they are all great riders and any of them can beat each other anywhere. (except maybe Lommel) lol
Second verse, same as the first.
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10/5/2012 1:32pm
Chappyt wrote:
Ive been cheering for Tommy Searle all year to beat Herlings and he did quite a few times.Apart from deep sand Herlings is very beatable and...
Ive been cheering for Tommy Searle all year to beat Herlings and he did quite a few times.Apart from deep sand Herlings is very beatable and to think that Villopoto and Dungey wouldn't beat him by a large margin is a bit deluded.Why so many Brits are kissing Herlings arse is beyond me,I can't stand him and most Brits hated him this year after all crap he caused.
Tell us where Searle or anyone else was faster than Herlings this season besides Bulgaria? Remember Faenza, one of the hardest tracks of this year. Nobody was able to even come close to Herlings.
You know what, people kiss winners arses, that what they do. Tommy's no winner...
And what the British 'fans' did is in my eyes much worse than some words of a 17 year old kid.
People threatening him, throwing stuff at him at the Brittish Gp and so on. Just because they can't stand he's faster than your British guy.
Get a fokking life.
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10/5/2012 2:02pm
Dungey would fucking rape Herlings/AC at Millvile. Just ask RV how Dungey goes at his hometrack
muGz.147 wrote:
Ask RV how Dungey goes at HIS hometrack too... Woohoo
moto282 wrote:
Huh? Isn't that what he just said? :huh: I think people are crazy to think Herlings could beat Dungey at Millville. Millville isn't a sand track...
Huh? Isn't that what he just said? Huh

I think people are crazy to think Herlings could beat Dungey at Millville. Millville isn't a sand track like Lommel and it's Dungey's favorite.

Herlings and Cairoli are obviously faster in the sand than any US or AMA rider. But some seem to forget all the home track advantage stuff that was spouted at Thunder Valley or Budds which weren't even the same level of home track as Lommel was to Herlings or Cairoli... I mean it is his test/practice track lol. When I had a private track a few years back I used to be able to be able to keep up with guys I could never run with at the races.

However, Herlings or Cairoli would win on ANY track like Lommel. Germany earned the victory and road awesome along with AC and JH. I just think it should be kept in perspective. 2012 was a very unique MXDN track. I get that some rub it in when the US wins so what's due is due.... but a few things are being blown out of proportion in all the excitement.

Next year will be awesome... makes the MXDN even more interesting.
MuGz meant RV's home track as well
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10/5/2012 2:12pm
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I didnt say that you or anyone else said anything about SX but SX is part of dirt bike racing, albeit the biggest commercial part, so...
I didnt say that you or anyone else said anything about SX but SX is part of dirt bike racing, albeit the biggest commercial part, so I included it in my fantasy series......does that cause a problem?

Last I looked DNF'ing is part of racing, NO? if its not, then we should give Justin Barcia a 5th in that 1st moto at Lommel correct? Seem to think he had the same problems as Cairoli in Italy but choose to ride on unlike AC?

In my fantasy series I would put Southwick on the schedule to give the GP riders a little bit better chance. I will throw in Unadilla(very GP like), Millville and Red Bud. You can schedule Lommel, Lierop, ?,?. Go A1 and SD, plus Bercy and Italian SX and still I stand by my opinions.....NO GP rider in top 5 at end of series....
PressPassP wrote:
This is Nationals,don't twist things if you want a series do 6 X AMA tracks 6 X GP tracks that's everyone's fantasy series, The Barcia thing...
This is Nationals,don't twist things if you want a series do 6 X AMA tracks 6 X GP tracks that's everyone's fantasy series,

The Barcia thing is Bulshit,it doesn't have no resemblance to comparing who's faster,if you want to go there then you're saying these guys are equal to him
Barcia is 1-1 vs Leok
Barcia is 1-1 vs De Dycker
Barcia is 1-1 vs Guaneri
Barcia is 1-1 vs Boog

(obviously leaving out the qualifyer Wink )
Huckster wrote:
Umm...wrong....the first moto Justin raced with a broken wheel due to a crash. Doesnt count.....editors note: Please see GP fanboys excuse for Cairoli losing to Dungey...
Umm...wrong....the first moto Justin raced with a broken wheel due to a crash. Doesnt count.....editors note: Please see GP fanboys excuse for Cairoli losing to Dungey in Italy for reference: Wink
Auctually you're misunderstanding things,read my post again,you're actually backing me up as I don't think Barcia is 1-1 against those guys because only 1 race is straight up because I don't think Barcia's DNF counts as a true defeat at the hands of those other riders I mentioned,not all of them are faster but of course it will go down on record that Barcia got beaten

This is why I don't think by saying Dungey is 3-1 vs Cairoli is a true reflection of how they would stack up speedwise in a race scenario like the OP suggests because they'e only gone straight up twice,Colorado and Lommel and in one race in Italy,as you say Cairoli's bike was damaged and unrideable at the start of the other
10/5/2012 2:15pm
Chappyt wrote:
Ive been cheering for Tommy Searle all year to beat Herlings and he did quite a few times.Apart from deep sand Herlings is very beatable and...
Ive been cheering for Tommy Searle all year to beat Herlings and he did quite a few times.Apart from deep sand Herlings is very beatable and to think that Villopoto and Dungey wouldn't beat him by a large margin is a bit deluded.Why so many Brits are kissing Herlings arse is beyond me,I can't stand him and most Brits hated him this year after all crap he caused.
Tell us where Searle or anyone else was faster than Herlings this season besides Bulgaria? Remember Faenza, one of the hardest tracks of this year. Nobody...
Tell us where Searle or anyone else was faster than Herlings this season besides Bulgaria? Remember Faenza, one of the hardest tracks of this year. Nobody was able to even come close to Herlings.
You know what, people kiss winners arses, that what they do. Tommy's no winner...
And what the British 'fans' did is in my eyes much worse than some words of a 17 year old kid.
People threatening him, throwing stuff at him at the Brittish Gp and so on. Just because they can't stand he's faster than your British guy.
Get a fokking life.
Did you watch the series, Calimero? Tommy was faster at Matterley (GP of GBR) , Bastogne (GP of Belgium), Tetschenthal (GP of Germany) and Beto Carrero (GP of Brazi). There may have been more, but that's just off the top of my head. Tommy may have been able to get Jeffrey at Latvia too, but had his issues.

Overall Jeffrey had Tommy covered, but to say Tommy was only faster at one race is not accurate.
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10/5/2012 2:42pm
Chappyt wrote:
Ive been cheering for Tommy Searle all year to beat Herlings and he did quite a few times.Apart from deep sand Herlings is very beatable and...
Ive been cheering for Tommy Searle all year to beat Herlings and he did quite a few times.Apart from deep sand Herlings is very beatable and to think that Villopoto and Dungey wouldn't beat him by a large margin is a bit deluded.Why so many Brits are kissing Herlings arse is beyond me,I can't stand him and most Brits hated him this year after all crap he caused.
Tell us where Searle or anyone else was faster than Herlings this season besides Bulgaria? Remember Faenza, one of the hardest tracks of this year. Nobody...
Tell us where Searle or anyone else was faster than Herlings this season besides Bulgaria? Remember Faenza, one of the hardest tracks of this year. Nobody was able to even come close to Herlings.
You know what, people kiss winners arses, that what they do. Tommy's no winner...
And what the British 'fans' did is in my eyes much worse than some words of a 17 year old kid.
People threatening him, throwing stuff at him at the Brittish Gp and so on. Just because they can't stand he's faster than your British guy.
Get a fokking life.
You need to watch more GP,s Tommy was faster than Herlings plenty of times and without bad luck and DNF,s he could have been World Champ.Like I said Herlings is amazing in sand but not in the league of Villopoto and Dungey on hardpack tracks.
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10/5/2012 2:49pm
Were and the hell are all these hard packed American tracks????? Last time I Checked the Nor Cal tracks are all gone!!! Execpet for Hangtpwn which gets softer every year.
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10/5/2012 3:02pm Edited Date/Time 10/5/2012 3:04pm
PressPassP wrote:
This is Nationals,don't twist things if you want a series do 6 X AMA tracks 6 X GP tracks that's everyone's fantasy series, The Barcia thing...
This is Nationals,don't twist things if you want a series do 6 X AMA tracks 6 X GP tracks that's everyone's fantasy series,

The Barcia thing is Bulshit,it doesn't have no resemblance to comparing who's faster,if you want to go there then you're saying these guys are equal to him
Barcia is 1-1 vs Leok
Barcia is 1-1 vs De Dycker
Barcia is 1-1 vs Guaneri
Barcia is 1-1 vs Boog

(obviously leaving out the qualifyer Wink )
Huckster wrote:
Umm...wrong....the first moto Justin raced with a broken wheel due to a crash. Doesnt count.....editors note: Please see GP fanboys excuse for Cairoli losing to Dungey...
Umm...wrong....the first moto Justin raced with a broken wheel due to a crash. Doesnt count.....editors note: Please see GP fanboys excuse for Cairoli losing to Dungey in Italy for reference: Wink
PressPassP wrote:
Auctually you're misunderstanding things,read my post again,you're actually backing me up as I don't think Barcia is 1-1 against those guys because only 1 race is...
Auctually you're misunderstanding things,read my post again,you're actually backing me up as I don't think Barcia is 1-1 against those guys because only 1 race is straight up because I don't think Barcia's DNF counts as a true defeat at the hands of those other riders I mentioned,not all of them are faster but of course it will go down on record that Barcia got beaten

This is why I don't think by saying Dungey is 3-1 vs Cairoli is a true reflection of how they would stack up speedwise in a race scenario like the OP suggests because they'e only gone straight up twice,Colorado and Lommel and in one race in Italy,as you say Cairoli's bike was damaged and unrideable at the start of the other
Dungey VS AC
2009 MX1 Heat-AC 1st Dungey 3rd???
2009 Race 1- 1.AC 2.Reed 3. Dungey
2009 Race 3- 1. Dungey A.C and Reed crashed out

2010 MX1 Heat A.C. 1st Dungey 5th
2010 Race 1 1. Dungey 2. AC
2010 Race 3 1. Dungey 4.AC

2011 MX1 heat Dungey 1st AC 2nd there only battle yet
2011 Race 1 AC crashes out breaks wrist, Dungey beats him of course

2012 Heat AC 1st Dungey 6th?
2012 Race 1 1.AC 7th Dungey
2012 Race 3 1.AC 11th Dungey


A gate has dropped 11 times with them both on the line and AC has won 6 of them to Dungeys 5 so its a close one. There are many ways to look at them. AC has sucked the fat one alot at the MXDN but his stats are not bad, But on the same token judgeing Dungey based on his last MxDN would be a huge mistake. Like all my dip shit country man bashing AC because his MxDN rides.
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10/5/2012 3:14pm
Dude getting hurt and DNF'ing are part of racing....You don't get a free pass because you "crashed" Dungey is 3-1 vs AC at the last 4 MXoN.....that is not a bash on AC, he clearly is the KING OF SAND and DOMINATED this year....but up until this years events, his performances have been less than stellar....Plus if you're going to use the crash excuse like most of the GP apologist do when it comes to their own, can we extend that to Barcia's qualifier and 1st moto and also Dungeys and Baggett's motos? They "crashed" so it shouldn't count as straight up right? (GP fan boy logic)
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10/5/2012 4:03pm
I think Cairoli has earned his stripes, and he proved his strength last weekend vs. Herlings...

But a lot of you put too much stock in Herlings, a young cocky unproven across the pond asshole....(just ask Everets)

He may hang in the top five in an American series but thats about it
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10/5/2012 4:29pm
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I think Cairoli has earned his stripes, and he proved his strength last weekend vs. Herlings... But a lot of you put too much stock in...
I think Cairoli has earned his stripes, and he proved his strength last weekend vs. Herlings...

But a lot of you put too much stock in Herlings, a young cocky unproven across the pond asshole....(just ask Everets)

He may hang in the top five in an American series but thats about it
if you say so it must be true

men I wish this docu had english subtitles

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10/5/2012 5:04pm
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Dungey VS AC 2009 MX1 Heat-AC 1st Dungey 3rd??? 2009 Race 1- 1.AC 2.Reed 3. Dungey 2009 Race 3- 1. Dungey A.C and Reed crashed out...
Dungey VS AC
2009 MX1 Heat-AC 1st Dungey 3rd???
2009 Race 1- 1.AC 2.Reed 3. Dungey
2009 Race 3- 1. Dungey A.C and Reed crashed out

2010 MX1 Heat A.C. 1st Dungey 5th
2010 Race 1 1. Dungey 2. AC
2010 Race 3 1. Dungey 4.AC

2011 MX1 heat Dungey 1st AC 2nd there only battle yet
2011 Race 1 AC crashes out breaks wrist, Dungey beats him of course

2012 Heat AC 1st Dungey 6th?
2012 Race 1 1.AC 7th Dungey
2012 Race 3 1.AC 11th Dungey


A gate has dropped 11 times with them both on the line and AC has won 6 of them to Dungeys 5 so its a close one. There are many ways to look at them. AC has sucked the fat one alot at the MXDN but his stats are not bad, But on the same token judgeing Dungey based on his last MxDN would be a huge mistake. Like all my dip shit country man bashing AC because his MxDN rides.
This is absolutely hilarious, you should consider a future in politics. I know the MXdN rules can confuse some but I thought pretty much everyone knew qualifying position does not enter into overall scoring. As the Huckster stated earlier the reality is RD is 3-1 over AC in the MXdN. Congratulations to AC on a great race on his back yard track, he finally beat RD. No need to correct some of your other inaccurate numbers because it really doesn't matter does it.
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10/5/2012 9:29pm
I think Dungey and AC are almost clones in speed. Throw out 2009, Dungey was the 250 Nat Champ and never raced the 450. 2010 home field advantage and AC probably should have brought a 450 the the high altitudes. 2011 only got to see a qualifier battle but it was awesome! AC shadowed Dunge all race. 2012, well it's pretty fresh in our memories. As a huge Dungey fan it pains me to say, it's probability advantage AC since they are so equal on all surfaces but AC is much better in sand
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10/5/2012 9:45pm
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Were and the hell are all these hard packed American tracks????? Last time I Checked the Nor Cal tracks are all gone!!! Execpet for Hangtpwn which...
Were and the hell are all these hard packed American tracks????? Last time I Checked the Nor Cal tracks are all gone!!! Execpet for Hangtpwn which gets softer every year.
Pretty much...

I can't stand that everyone expects every track to be Red Bud... They neeeeeeed different tracks... hell if southwick was like it was in the early 90s then we might have had a different result last weekend!
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10/5/2012 10:00pm
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Pretty much... I can't stand that everyone expects every track to be Red Bud... They neeeeeeed different tracks... hell if southwick was like it was in...
Pretty much...

I can't stand that everyone expects every track to be Red Bud... They neeeeeeed different tracks... hell if southwick was like it was in the early 90s then we might have had a different result last weekend!
Unless they add a couple more sand tracks to the circuit it's not gonna be a priority to the AMA riders. Someone had suggested ripping Southwick because there is good sand underneath. If that was actually a possibility it would be awesome. I have been riding Southwick since 1992 and the current track can't hold a candle to it. Washougal is hardpack and slippery as fuck from the riders say. I heard some shit that they prepped it this year to make it more "loamy." I hope to god not, it was always a track that rewarded throttle control. Steel City sure isn't Red Bu too
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10/5/2012 10:02pm
Maybe I have no complaints about the National tracks because they all look fun to me and have great dirt. Who the fuck likes riding hardpack? Lol
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Pretty much... I can't stand that everyone expects every track to be Red Bud... They neeeeeeed different tracks... hell if southwick was like it was in...
Pretty much...

I can't stand that everyone expects every track to be Red Bud... They neeeeeeed different tracks... hell if southwick was like it was in the early 90s then we might have had a different result last weekend!
Unless they add a couple more sand tracks to the circuit it's not gonna be a priority to the AMA riders. Someone had suggested ripping Southwick...
Unless they add a couple more sand tracks to the circuit it's not gonna be a priority to the AMA riders. Someone had suggested ripping Southwick because there is good sand underneath. If that was actually a possibility it would be awesome. I have been riding Southwick since 1992 and the current track can't hold a candle to it. Washougal is hardpack and slippery as fuck from the riders say. I heard some shit that they prepped it this year to make it more "loamy." I hope to god not, it was always a track that rewarded throttle control. Steel City sure isn't Red Bu too
Is southwick even on the same ground now? I thought it or a large portion of it got moved because of a land dispute?

I'm not a fan of the current layout regardless, I think it was better a few years back the other direction, and i'd love to see them rip it or do something to make it deep again... it just seems slippery now...

In fact, listening to a podcast the other day pretty sure Payton or someone said that the riders often use a hardpack tyre at southwick cause once it gets down the benefit of using a sand tyre go away it's that slippery underneath
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North Stonington, CT, USA
10/5/2012 10:20pm
Same ground, WAAAY diff layout. I don't know if you remember it but the start went the other way and there was a huge hill drop off, then it went back into the woods. Reason it looks so diff is they cut all those woods down. If was crazy rough back then, the woods section had 3-4ft whoops over every inch of them. I guess they changed it make it more spectator friendly. Back then it was some steep ass hiking to get back there. I will say this, on amateur days the track sees so much action it's rough as fuck. Way more than on race day

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