Ever have a friend tell you,,,,,

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9/19/2012 10:48am
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Hey FGR01, if you ride a 125 that has a 6 speed tranny and you always know what gear you're in, you suck!! To go fast...
Hey FGR01, if you ride a 125 that has a 6 speed tranny and you always know what gear you're in, you suck!! To go fast on a 125mx bike you have to be constantly shifting and jamming gears. C'mon man stop being a clown.
Oh jeez, here we go already with personal slams by someone who doesn't even know who they are talking to.

FYI, I own and ride every size of bike. And yes, even on my 125 I always know what gear I am in. It's just how I ride. It's integral to my technique. If anything, I consider it even more critical on a 125 since it is much more important to keep the bike in the perfect part of the power than on, say, a 450 which is very forgiving due to the broad power.

Not saying it's better. Not saying others should do it. But it's how I do it and it's worked for me for more than 30 years of riding MX.
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9/19/2012 10:49am
Insider347 wrote:
Hey FGR01, if you ride a 125 that has a 6 speed tranny and you always know what gear you're in, you suck!! To go fast...
Hey FGR01, if you ride a 125 that has a 6 speed tranny and you always know what gear you're in, you suck!! To go fast on a 125mx bike you have to be constantly shifting and jamming gears. C'mon man stop being a clown.
Shifting down in the air. Smile

On this gear topic....
On a 125 I always listened to the bike for the most part.
With that said,I wonder how Fiolek knows when to shift.....?
That is something that always baffled me.
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9/19/2012 10:52am
She does it by the feel of the pull of the bike. It wouldn't surprise me if she counts gears also because it would definitely help.
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9/19/2012 10:54am
FGR01 wrote:
She does it by the feel of the pull of the bike. It wouldn't surprise me if she counts gears also because it would definitely help.
Definitely makes sense.

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9/19/2012 11:09am
Which Nitro Circus was it where they were debating what gear to launch on the pitbike after coming up short, then chose the wrong gear and flat landed snapping that kids ankle........way dirty. Got some bad advise there.
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9/19/2012 11:20am
I have no idea how anyone can ride a bike without knowing exactly what gear they are in at all times. I know some people can and do, but I have no idea how. If I ever lose track of what gear I'm in, I usually have to shift down to first to get comfy again or it will screw with my mind until I stop riding. (For the most part I can feel what gear I'm in, but I second-guess myself too much and it drives me crazy.)
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9/19/2012 11:22am Edited Date/Time 9/19/2012 11:23am
I always know what gear i'm in because I always in first gear only! Woohoo

On a second note, I had a similar discussion with a buddy, and I was doing one of the table tops at Crowhill (MA) and I managed to clear in in third on my KX250F revving out, and he also had a KX250F and was a bit frustrated seeing me doing it, while he couldn't (he was a chicken shit), the discussion didn't make sense at all for him because he said he would land half way in third. Turned out that the 11 KXF gearing was totally different than the 09, so third basically meant fith on his sucker? Still sounds a bit weard, but in the end he cleared it in fifth I think. We figured we both had stock gearing, at least he claimed that, while I knew mine had it... One of those WTF moments...

So somethings gearing makes no sense at all...
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9/19/2012 11:39am
honda341 wrote:
So you are saying that people that don't know what gear they are in are dumb? Hmmmm alright then.
FGR01 wrote:
Are you talking to me? I don't think so, because I didn't say that. I said not knowing what gear I was in doesn't work for...
Are you talking to me? I don't think so, because I didn't say that. I said not knowing what gear I was in doesn't work for me and seems like a bad idea to me and probably has caused problems for some others.
I think this 'knowing what gear you're in" business has something to do with when you learned how to ride. I learned at a very young age, and because of that riding to me is like breathing. I don't think about shifting or even realize I'm doing it and of course never know what gear I'm in.
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9/19/2012 11:44am
Gearing is a goofy deal. When I went from my 01 YZ125 to an 04 RMZ250 (biggest mistake of my riding life haha) I suddenly had to hit everything a gear higher than I did on the 125. Theres a long finish line table at Aztec Raceway in colorado Springs, that was 3rd gear pretty much tapped on the 125, but I had to be in 4th on the 250f, or it would drop the front end badly.
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9/19/2012 11:53am
Some of you guys are carrying this a bit overboard. Comfort on a bike is almost entirely feel. There are a ton of fast guys who couldn't tell you what the suspension is doing or what gear they're in, they just know how it's suppose to feel and how to compensate when something isn't right.
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I think this 'knowing what gear you're in" business has something to do with when you learned how to ride. I learned at a very young...
I think this 'knowing what gear you're in" business has something to do with when you learned how to ride. I learned at a very young age, and because of that riding to me is like breathing. I don't think about shifting or even realize I'm doing it and of course never know what gear I'm in.
In my case, that is not the case. I also learned to ride at a very young age and riding is 2nd nature. It's not a noob compensation technique, it's basically an OCD thing. I ride more cleanly, smoothly, and faster when I ensure I am in the correct gear and proper part of the powerband at any given point on the track. It creates consistency. I don't hit a certain jump one lap bogging in 4th and the next lap winding out in 3rd. Consistency creates smoothness, relaxation, and good lap times. My take on it anyway.

I think many pros also know what gear they are in at any given time, especially in SX where being in the proper gear is absolutely critical. If you ever watch a pro explaining how they do a certain section they almost always say "..this corner 2nd, grab 3rd, upshift to 4th in the air..next jump downshift to 3rd in the air to setup for the corner, upshift to 4th before the whoops...." etc.
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9/19/2012 1:47pm
I've been riding since I was 5, so that is about 17 years now. Any jump I hit now a days is all based off of feeling. I feel like I need to hit it going this fast so that's what I do. I switch out from a '10 CRF450 to a '02 CR125. Basically on the 125 I just know to hit everything as fast I possibly can. The 450 on the other hand is just doing what feels right. Different strokes for different folks I guess. Neither way is right or wrong.
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9/19/2012 1:50pm
Your rocket doesnt count Sam. ;-)

With 13/50 gears on a smoker you better wick it up good thats for sure ! Ive cased that thing lotsa times in 4th and found that 5th was the fix. Of course Im a wannabe, Ive seen Robbie Reynard clear it and looked like he was barely outta 2nd.
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9/19/2012 1:58pm
My dad asked for some advice to clear this table top from one of his racing buddies(my dad was a newbie to mx at the time). His friend told him 4th gear steady throttle. My dads friend forgot ktm 450's only have 4 gears Grinning
No idea why he didn't ask me at the time!
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9/19/2012 2:02pm
I go by the feel of the bike and speed. I hardly ever know what gear I'm in. Now if its a really big jump I've never done that is dangerous. Anything requiring 4th or 5th on a 450. I wanna know what gear the person clearing it hit it in before I try it.
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9/19/2012 2:11pm
FGR01 wrote:
In my case, that is not the case. I also learned to ride at a very young age and riding is 2nd nature. It's not a...
In my case, that is not the case. I also learned to ride at a very young age and riding is 2nd nature. It's not a noob compensation technique, it's basically an OCD thing. I ride more cleanly, smoothly, and faster when I ensure I am in the correct gear and proper part of the powerband at any given point on the track. It creates consistency. I don't hit a certain jump one lap bogging in 4th and the next lap winding out in 3rd. Consistency creates smoothness, relaxation, and good lap times. My take on it anyway.

I think many pros also know what gear they are in at any given time, especially in SX where being in the proper gear is absolutely critical. If you ever watch a pro explaining how they do a certain section they almost always say "..this corner 2nd, grab 3rd, upshift to 4th in the air..next jump downshift to 3rd in the air to setup for the corner, upshift to 4th before the whoops...." etc.
And they also often just refer to shift up a gear, shift down 2 gears, etc

Some pro's wil count, others don't. Counting is a way for you to ride relaxed and smooth. Others ride relaxed and smooth by feeling the pull, hit and overall powerband of the bike. I do both actually, some sections i count while others i go by the feeling.

Streetriding is purely by feel. I never count on a streetbike and don't want/need a gear indicator for it.
9/19/2012 2:14pm
I simply have to know what gear I'm in so that I can plan ahead. If I'm coming into a section and I don't know what gear I'm in - then I'll have no idea on how the bike's going to react e.g how much throttle it'll require vs the speed I'm going, coupled with my ability and the nature of the dirt etc. It's an individual thing of course, I have heard before that some people do it just by feel. Maybe that is the more professional way, Idk. But again, personally I don't think I would be anywhere near as comfortable or accurate by feel alone.
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9/19/2012 2:30pm
no. I can't jump. they know I won't make it. Laughing
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9/19/2012 2:30pm
I think people ride differently. Some pay attention to what gear they are in and are aware of things and other bikes on the track and others don't. I have a buddy that when we get off the track after dicing it for a moto, say some dude was all over him and almost took him out. I say, dude....that was me behind you!....Grinning He has no clue what is going on around him on the track, i'll ask him questions and he can't even tell me what happened. It's like a blur to him.
9/19/2012 2:42pm
Some of the guys on here are a bit funny. What "gear" you are in has less to do with what RPM you are at, and what the bike is doing, when it comes to clearing jumps. Accellerating and rompin' on it up the jump face has more effect on it almost than what gear you are in. Often, clutching the heck out of the bike in a gear high, you can sail way farther than if you were a gear lower, reving the nuts out of it. Preloading, ( Crap! I just said the P word), and your attack up the jump face will have as much effect as just what gear you are in.


Most big jumps on most tracks can be done in about three gears. WRUNG right out in a lower gear, coasting half throttle in a gear thats close, or running a gear high and clutching it up the face to control attitude.... or a combination of any of those. I dont know what gear I am in most of the time, but I know I can make things work out by screaming the bike, clutching it a bit, etc. Although, now that Im old, crusty and creaky, its usually the gear high method.... Smile I ma probably a gear HIGHER than most of the expert/pros, but I clear it safely and effectively. So... i guess it depends on riding style.
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9/19/2012 2:48pm
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I think people ride differently. Some pay attention to what gear they are in and are aware of things and other bikes on the track and...
I think people ride differently. Some pay attention to what gear they are in and are aware of things and other bikes on the track and others don't. I have a buddy that when we get off the track after dicing it for a moto, say some dude was all over him and almost took him out. I say, dude....that was me behind you!....Grinning He has no clue what is going on around him on the track, i'll ask him questions and he can't even tell me what happened. It's like a blur to him.
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9/19/2012 3:16pm Edited Date/Time 9/19/2012 3:21pm
I've asked what gear plenty of times. If all I get is "second" without them saying WFO or mid-throttle, I skip their advice and go to someone else.

If possible I'll ask one of the better riders if I can follow them over a jump.. that way I know I'll have about the right speed.

Did that a few years ago on this step-up at a local place.. it was down a long straight... had a 5' tall single, then flat ground for another 30' until the hill, which was about 10' higher than the single. I was in 4th gear and probably had no business jumping it.. Anyway - I followed two of the fast guys (asked first, they made sure I was following and gave me thumbs up in the corner before). Cleared it and turned around and did it over and over and over for another 30 minutes.

In either case I have to feel confident and focused or I roll it until I do.
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9/19/2012 3:38pm
I never know what gear I'm in when riding - I instinctively select gears from the pull and sound of the bike. I can't imagine how hard it would be to count gears. If I did that, I would have to ride a lot slower to maintain concentration.

When learning a new jump, I usually roll it a few times to size it up, then take a deep breath and go for it. I pretty much never get it wrong. It amazes me that I can subconsciously calculate the speed required so accurately. I do try to steer clear of unforgiving jumps these days, though.
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machine wrote:
I think people ride differently. Some pay attention to what gear they are in and are aware of things and other bikes on the track and...
I think people ride differently. Some pay attention to what gear they are in and are aware of things and other bikes on the track and others don't. I have a buddy that when we get off the track after dicing it for a moto, say some dude was all over him and almost took him out. I say, dude....that was me behind you!....Grinning He has no clue what is going on around him on the track, i'll ask him questions and he can't even tell me what happened. It's like a blur to him.
I am like that. I often can't recall any details of a race once I have finished. In the past I have crashed and been unable to remember by the time I finished the race. I think it is more a result of concentrating so hard on riding than being unaware, though.
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9/19/2012 4:19pm
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Yup I hear it all the time! I think you told me something like that years ago & then you just smiled, I knew you were...
Yup I hear it all the time!

I think you told me something like that years ago & then you just smiled, I knew you were yanking my chainLaughing
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Trust me Howard, you will clear it easy. Evil Whistling
"Who the heck counts gears as they are going around the track??? If you have to ask what gear, you probably shouldn't be trying it."


my dad use to be absolutely flabbergasted that i never knew what gear i was in when i did this that or the other, he just couldnt believe it.

i would tell him "gee, dad im just trying to concentrate on the jumps, bumps, whoops, ruts, berms, my physical condition, how much time i got left, how far behind i am, doubles, triples, quads, rocks, roots, trees, power poles, and occasional tractor parked too closed to the track, unpredictable spectators, squids, nutbars, lapped riders, dangerous riders, im not worried about what gear im in ... if i ever run out of gears and need more speed, i'll let you know"
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9/19/2012 4:24pm
You can clear any jump on any track in 2nd gear on a 4 fiddy. At least on so cal tracks....ok maybe 3rd Smile
9/19/2012 4:41pm Edited Date/Time 9/19/2012 4:50pm
If you're really concerned on gearing when clearing a jump, there's 2 ways to go about finding your sack thats hiding deep in your stomach. You can follow someone, which can be sketchy but useful, or jump a little further and further each time until you finally find said sack and clear it.
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9/19/2012 5:30pm
Interesting topic. Amazing to see the difference in riders.

This reminds me a few years ago there was a thread about listening to music while riding. Some guys said they loved doing it while there is no way in hell I could. It would distract me way too much (I wouldn't be able to count gears! Tongue ).

I wouldn't be surprised if there is some correlation between the riders who don't pay attention to what gear they are in and those who can enjoy listening to music while they ride.
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9/19/2012 6:07pm
Or what about Tomac with his ear plugs, same thing.
9/19/2012 6:16pm
Damn you guys must be really slow and old... How the hell do you have time to think about what gear your in? If you can't tell what gear you should be in simply from sound and how it's In you shouldn't be doing any big jumps, sorry.

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