Marvin Muscut-the-track to win?

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Edited Date/Time 8/20/2012 5:45pm
Made a pass while outside of the track markers,
One place penalty.
that means "Eli Tomac" should get the over-all!
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426Hemi 8/18/2012 3:50pm
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I didn't see the race, but have seen people skirt the markers all the time. As long as it was not blatent, then you probably won't see a penalty.
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plowboy 8/18/2012 3:51pm
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That track was pretty narrow in a lot of places. If a rider is forced out and doesn't just cut the track to gain advantage then what? Didn't look like cutting to gain advantage to me.
aFACEdismembered 8/18/2012 3:53pm
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He passed him while on the track. I could see an argument being made though that it helped set up the pass. All I saw was him missing the lip and dancing along the side of the hill. Did the mess up the rut or what?
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SlowMoFo 8/18/2012 3:54pm
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plowboy wrote:
That track was pretty narrow in a lot of places. If a rider is forced out and doesn't just cut the track to gain advantage then...
That track was pretty narrow in a lot of places. If a rider is forced out and doesn't just cut the track to gain advantage then what? Didn't look like cutting to gain advantage to me.
Interesting.

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Ing 8/18/2012 3:58pm
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He passed after he came back on the track. However......
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ML512 8/18/2012 5:01pm
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He made the pass in the next section after the jump... I think he should get a flippin award for that wheeltap back on to the track!Woohoo
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stantdm 8/18/2012 5:27pm
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The announcers talked about it but it really looked like he gained no advantage. Emig said he passed someone but I couldn't tell. It was, to me, a no harm/no foul event.
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jmar 8/18/2012 5:39pm
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I am glad to see Marvin and Frank get an overall.
Kartwheel84c 8/18/2012 5:47pm
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I'd never been there before June for the Vintage race and I was really surprised how narrow the track was. I didnt see the incident, but I know where it happened I saw several others earlier in the moto, Tomac included, that were VERY close to doing the same thing in exactly the same spot so I dont see how anyone could expect a protest to stand.
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TerryB 8/18/2012 7:36pm
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Wasn't a very big deal at all. Unintentional, and it had no bearing on the outcome of the race, period.
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Falcon 8/18/2012 8:36pm
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If I had been Marvin in that situation, I'd let the rider stay in front for a few more turns. He clearly had him covered. That was about as close as you can get to gaining an advantage. I guess the AMA didn't see a problem with it.
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JackLHyde 8/18/2012 11:16pm
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The way he jumped the tunnel was amazing! Skills en masse!
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Rewindcaz 8/18/2012 11:21pm
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I think it was beyond obvious that him going off the track was completely unintentional. It was just a fluke and he was going to pass that person anyways. If he got/gets docked, that's retarded.
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Hank_Thrill 8/19/2012 1:34am
8/19/2012 1:34am Edited Date/Time 8/19/2012 1:35am
I'm pumped to see the kid win.

He seems like one of the happiest guys racing professional motocross.

His podium speech put a smile on my face.
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rmpilot 8/19/2012 6:27am
8/19/2012 6:27am
musquin is just the new jason lawrence


editors note:

I am complaining for the sake of complaining
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TerryK 8/19/2012 7:41am
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Danster wrote:
Made a pass while outside of the track markers,
One place penalty.
that means "Eli Tomac" should get the over-all!
If you are phishing then you need practice.
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etccb 8/19/2012 7:59am
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Vid clip???
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jeffro503 8/19/2012 8:18am
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Congrats to Marvin for his first O/A !! Really happy for that dude! Such a good guy and a HUGE plus to this series! Him and Kenny both BTW!

Did you guys hear the cheers for Marvin and Kenny? Loud as hell and it was awesome to hear a bunch of fans backing these guys.....they deserve it!

I'd like to know where the Vital members went that were saying "Americans don't like having these guys here".........If Unadilla wasn't proof enough.....I don't know what is.

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Faceaz 8/19/2012 8:27am
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I felt like the pass was imminent, going to happen anyway. But, the pass did result from drive he got while off the track. The right thing to do would have been give back the position & go back at it. Unfortunately I agree, he should have been docked a spot for how he handled it.
henry zweers 8/19/2012 9:37am
8/19/2012 9:37am
thay should use the green stuf just like the gp's than thay stay on the track.
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SlowMoFo 8/19/2012 10:12am
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henry zweers wrote:
thay should use the green stuf just like the gp's than thay stay on the track.
What stuff? Oh, you mean the green stuff that gets caught in the bikes wheels making the bike unsafe and prone to DNF's! Yeah, we should use that !
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TDeath21 8/19/2012 11:02pm
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I personally thought he should have been docked a position. He made a mistake and went off the track. Then Musquin pinned it around the jump while Bell did the jump and made the pass while doing so. That to me is the exact definition of gaining an advantage by going off the track.
Crisp BRAAAP! 8/20/2012 5:25am
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I couldn't believe that an entire line formed outside of the track markers on one of the downhills. I think it's hard to penalize someone if everyone is running a line outside the track (Dungey was running it every lap - I think it became the main line). Clearly no one is worried about staying inside the lines, so I'd argue it's a problem with the officiating.
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DC 8/20/2012 6:22am
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Race officials spoke to Marvin between motos. He did not mean to go outside the boundaries, and the official that reported the pass and after watching replays in the TV truck, the officials felt that Musquin's action did not merit a penalty, but rather a warning.

As for lines going outside the yellow guide markers, it's hard to put a hay bale or a barrier on a blind downhill (there were two at Unadilla) and not risk a much bigger problem. The inside barriers on the corners are there to get the riders back in the racing line when they get outside the markers on hills and off the landings of jumps.

This has been a moving target, but we don't want to go with that green mesh fencing, and Tuff Blocks don't work as well outdoors as they do indoors -- landing on one of those from up high like SX and hitting one at MX speed outdoors are two much different things....

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Lifesarutt64 8/20/2012 6:46am
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SlowMoFo wrote:
What stuff? Oh, you mean the green stuff that gets caught in the bikes wheels making the bike unsafe and prone to DNF's! Yeah, we should...
What stuff? Oh, you mean the green stuff that gets caught in the bikes wheels making the bike unsafe and prone to DNF's! Yeah, we should use that !
No no, they should use that wooden stake fencing that surrounds some of the tracks at the British Nats, no cutting the track without risking your life with that stuff. They must think some of the British riders are vampires.
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therealjonon 8/20/2012 6:55am
8/20/2012 6:55am
Danster....you make some stupid fuckin threads.
Crisp BRAAAP! 8/20/2012 10:23am
8/20/2012 10:23am
DC wrote:
Race officials spoke to Marvin between motos. He did not mean to go outside the boundaries, and the official that reported the pass and after watching...
Race officials spoke to Marvin between motos. He did not mean to go outside the boundaries, and the official that reported the pass and after watching replays in the TV truck, the officials felt that Musquin's action did not merit a penalty, but rather a warning.

As for lines going outside the yellow guide markers, it's hard to put a hay bale or a barrier on a blind downhill (there were two at Unadilla) and not risk a much bigger problem. The inside barriers on the corners are there to get the riders back in the racing line when they get outside the markers on hills and off the landings of jumps.

This has been a moving target, but we don't want to go with that green mesh fencing, and Tuff Blocks don't work as well outdoors as they do indoors -- landing on one of those from up high like SX and hitting one at MX speed outdoors are two much different things....

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Fair enough. I also didn't know if this was mentioned in the rider's meeting as being OK to do in those sections.

Just observing that there was a major line being formed outside of the track, and that the markers should delineate the track, at least in my opinion. Perhaps they could have been pulled or moved in those blind downhills if that was the case?

I remember a year or two ago you put the fear of God in these guys regarding the markers, but it appears that they've forgotten.

I don't mean to be lippy, DC: I love what you do (and have done) for moto and sincerely appreciate that you come on this board to explain.
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DC 8/20/2012 10:33am
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No worries, Chris, but it's impossible to turn around and go back UP the Screw-U when they drop off to the left of those markers, and you don't want to put a hay bale there either.... The idea of those yellow course markers is to guide the track without putting up a barrier that will knock someone down.

Several riders were fined for multiple excursions in other spots of the track (all of that money goes to the Asterisk Mobile Medics). The rain and the deep ruts had guys going everywhere on Saturday, but no one really "cut" the track, they just got outside the margins.

We are always chasing it, just as other sports chase violators of rules, but it's hard to monitor a 1.25-mile long track on such a diverse, dynamic terrain, with 40 guys at a time taking on an incredible rough track. We try to barricade the insides of the corners with the fellow foam pieces and haybales, but the edges of straightaways and hills can obviously be a challenge.

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drkelly 8/20/2012 10:36am
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I would have come back on the tracke behind the guy just to make sure I didn't get docked. The pass was going to happen.
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Barrett57 8/20/2012 10:43am
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Lifesarutt64 wrote:
No no, they should use that wooden stake fencing that surrounds some of the tracks at the British Nats, no cutting the track without risking your...
No no, they should use that wooden stake fencing that surrounds some of the tracks at the British Nats, no cutting the track without risking your life with that stuff. They must think some of the British riders are vampires.
They have that shit at some practice tracks as well, miss the landing and you get a sharpened fence post through your face.

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