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plowboy 7/18/2012 11:57am
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Isn't he listed in the phone book as;

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Yeah he will probably get it right.
That there is some funny stuff my friend.Laughing
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I'm very impressed with what Alessi has accomplished this outdoor season, and I'm a fan of Mike Genova for sure. But the bottom line is that...
I'm very impressed with what Alessi has accomplished this outdoor season, and I'm a fan of Mike Genova for sure. But the bottom line is that the Alessi clan hasn't exactly endeared themselves to many factory teams over the years and are currently on the outside looking in, and this is going to impact his selection, like it or not. IMHO, I think Barcia is a better pick for much of why FTE has already stated. Its too bad for sure in a way, but at the same time, there is a reason they are riding for MCR and not another factory. How many vitards actually believe Mike will get another factory ride? Not being sarcastic, it is a sincere question.
He might not get another factory ride, no - but there also aren't that many factory rides to get any more, period.

I count 7 total real quick, among 5 factories currently competing - 4 of those guys are injured and out.
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mjskier 7/18/2012 12:17pm
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I don't know why people think Baggett is this "win it or bin it" type of rider.

For me it's left over from last year where he would win one race and be nowhere the next.
If he keeps riding like he does now I'll eventually get over it..
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dboivin 7/18/2012 12:31pm
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TripleFive wrote:
LAP TIMES.
exactly. top 3 250 guys are killing mike in laptimes. Mike deserves one thing right now...thats 2nd place in 450 class. grats to him but he's not one of the 3 fastest guys we have right now. he's about 5th outa whos healthy at the moment....If RV or JS come back he gets pushed even farther down the list. its really that simple.

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lucero10x 7/18/2012 12:49pm
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Why do people keep saying alessi deserves to be the mx3 rider? That is an open class and how many wins has alessi gotten compared to...
Why do people keep saying alessi deserves to be the mx3 rider? That is an open class and how many wins has alessi gotten compared to Eli , Barcia, js7? He doesn't deserve a thing.....
Except, maybe, a little respect.
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GuyB 7/18/2012 1:02pm
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Yes, but can Motoconcepts even afford to send over Mike Alessi? I think it would suck for Alessi to not go, but really I would choose...
Yes, but can Motoconcepts even afford to send over Mike Alessi? I think it would suck for Alessi to not go, but really I would choose Weimer over Alessi any day considering he has a good and stable team behind him.
Afford to go? oh boy.
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He thinks barcia is/would be faster and that his team have less issues putting a bike on foreign soil (sand). What more info is there to consider?Dizzy
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burnside 7/18/2012 1:31pm
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Hard to argue with Roger's reasoning. Barcia has proven himself on a 450 and would have factory Honda support.
Thats my thinking aswell. Seems like Roger is looking literally at the FASTEST riders, regardless of what class they are in or which bike they are on. By the sounds of it Barcia is faster than Alessi on a 250. Lap times don't lie eh?
Lawrence929 7/18/2012 2:04pm
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Alessi isn't going from what I just read. That was a political way of saying, NO. We are bringing one of the 250 guys if James doesn't come back as he plans. Pretty simple really.
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Outsider 7/18/2012 2:18pm
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Roger is the man and I couldn't fault him for going either way.
So, you go both ways too? Hey, whatever floats your boat my man!
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Titan1 7/18/2012 2:21pm
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We all know you can't compare 250 lap times to 450 lap times....the track is different and its an entirely different ball game all together.

I'm not a big Alessi fan...but i just sit back and chuckle as he is beating all these guys with factory bikes (Everyone but Stewart and Dungey) on his privateer bike. Sure, if Stewart, Reed, villopoto, Canard were racing he'd be finishing 6th instead of 2nd....but everyone else would be 4 places back too. The Alessi have to be pounding their chests in triumph in that they are proving that their system works for them...and I say good on 'em...
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MR. X 7/18/2012 2:29pm
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Titan1 wrote:
We all know you can't compare 250 lap times to 450 lap times....the track is different and its an entirely different ball game all together. I'm...
We all know you can't compare 250 lap times to 450 lap times....the track is different and its an entirely different ball game all together.

I'm not a big Alessi fan...but i just sit back and chuckle as he is beating all these guys with factory bikes (Everyone but Stewart and Dungey) on his privateer bike. Sure, if Stewart, Reed, villopoto, Canard were racing he'd be finishing 6th instead of 2nd....but everyone else would be 4 places back too. The Alessi have to be pounding their chests in triumph in that they are proving that their system works for them...and I say good on 'em...
You learn something new everyday i guess , on TV and even the nationals i've been too , it looked like the both classes where using the same track , i should pay closer attention next time.
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Im sure Barcia will have pleanty of more shots to go...IMO Mike has payed his dues and is pleanty fast enough to get the job done..
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Forget bike type, or who can afford what. RD, BB and Barcia are consistently the fastest guys on the track. Add to that Barcia's performance on a 450, in the sand, last year and it's not a difficult decision. I feel for Alessi, he's riding well, but I don't think he gives the best chance to win in the deep sand. If any of the top three gets hurt I'd take Alessi in a heartbeat.

Here are lap times from Budds Creek.

http://www.motoxaddicts.com/2012/06/21/lap-time-comparison-charts-2012-…
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Titan1 7/18/2012 2:36pm
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Titan1 wrote:
We all know you can't compare 250 lap times to 450 lap times....the track is different and its an entirely different ball game all together. I'm...
We all know you can't compare 250 lap times to 450 lap times....the track is different and its an entirely different ball game all together.

I'm not a big Alessi fan...but i just sit back and chuckle as he is beating all these guys with factory bikes (Everyone but Stewart and Dungey) on his privateer bike. Sure, if Stewart, Reed, villopoto, Canard were racing he'd be finishing 6th instead of 2nd....but everyone else would be 4 places back too. The Alessi have to be pounding their chests in triumph in that they are proving that their system works for them...and I say good on 'em...
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You learn something new everyday i guess , on TV and even the nationals i've been too , it looked like the both classes where using...
You learn something new everyday i guess , on TV and even the nationals i've been too , it looked like the both classes where using the same track , i should pay closer attention next time.
You know as well as anyone (unless, of course, you've never raced a moto in your life---and this is Vitalmx, so that wouldn't surprise me) that the track changes from one lap to the next, and from one moto to the next (it gets rougher, lines change, etc) all of these things affect the lap times. So you can't compare the 250 lap times to the 450 lap times because they aren't on the track at the same time.
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PressPassP 7/18/2012 2:58pm
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Titan1 wrote:
We all know you can't compare 250 lap times to 450 lap times....the track is different and its an entirely different ball game all together. I'm...
We all know you can't compare 250 lap times to 450 lap times....the track is different and its an entirely different ball game all together.

I'm not a big Alessi fan...but i just sit back and chuckle as he is beating all these guys with factory bikes (Everyone but Stewart and Dungey) on his privateer bike. Sure, if Stewart, Reed, villopoto, Canard were racing he'd be finishing 6th instead of 2nd....but everyone else would be 4 places back too. The Alessi have to be pounding their chests in triumph in that they are proving that their system works for them...and I say good on 'em...
MR. X wrote:
You learn something new everyday i guess , on TV and even the nationals i've been too , it looked like the both classes where using...
You learn something new everyday i guess , on TV and even the nationals i've been too , it looked like the both classes where using the same track , i should pay closer attention next time.
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You know as well as anyone (unless, of course, you've never raced a moto in your life---and this is Vitalmx, so that wouldn't surprise me) that...
You know as well as anyone (unless, of course, you've never raced a moto in your life---and this is Vitalmx, so that wouldn't surprise me) that the track changes from one lap to the next, and from one moto to the next (it gets rougher, lines change, etc) all of these things affect the lap times. So you can't compare the 250 lap times to the 450 lap times because they aren't on the track at the same time.
This is true,the laptimes at Lommel last year in MX2 dropped by nearly 12 seconds towards the end

DeCoster doesn't give too much away,there's still a while to go,more time for more Vital speculation I guess Blink

Interesting to see Alessi thinks he SHOULD go though,he obviously thinks he's earned it/deserves it
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What he/they did to Mike Brown a few years ago was absolute bullshit. I'll always respect him for what he did on the track, but he's...
What he/they did to Mike Brown a few years ago was absolute bullshit. I'll always respect him for what he did on the track, but he's done some slimeball things off the track. Not surprised by this move.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't Brown dropped after the team had been announced and he hit a mid season slump? I agree that was a pretty poor move on DeCoster's part, but he has to deliver the Chamberlain Trophy year after year or it's a failure for you guys right?

Alessi hasn't even been picked - can't see where you're coming from on this one.

Hope Barcia does go, would love to see him wringing the neck of a 450 in the sand first hand.

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MXMattii 7/18/2012 4:06pm
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Roger said pretty much the same thing I had wondered and asked on this boat, "There are two problems there. I’m not so sure about what...
Roger said pretty much the same thing I had wondered and asked on this boat, "There are two problems there. I’m not so sure about what kind of support, equipment-wise, he’d get in Europe."

When he signed with MCR, and they put black plastics on the bike that pretty much Suzuki wasn't ever going to help them. That and from interviews I've read in the past it doesn't seem like Roger is a Team Alessi fan.
It doesn't really mater if Roger is a fan of Mike or not. The facts are that Suzuki doesn't support Mike because they had a bad break up in the past. So if Mikey wanna ride the MXDN he need to find a Belgian/Benelux Suzuki dealer who wants to help him out, a bit like how Desalle rode his first AMA National in Washougal.

The other guys like Blake Baggett, Justin Barcia, Eli Tomac, James Stewart and other will get support from the "Japanese backed European Factory Teams". Justin Barcia & Eli Tomac can get the same 450 bike as Evgeny Bobryshev if they want!
minidad160 7/18/2012 4:22pm
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i have always wondered why roger picks the team? doesnt other team managers ever get to pick? Sincere question.
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Hate to say I said so, but I said so...
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lucero10x 7/18/2012 5:46pm
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lucero10x wrote:
Roger is the man and I couldn't fault him for going either way.
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So, you go both ways too? Hey, whatever floats your boat my man!
yeah, sometimes with your mom and sometimes with your wife, but usually, only with your sister.
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Exactly. I'm pretty sure Roger has a good handle on Alessi's capabilities after managing him at Suzuki and KTM and I'd bet his decision is based on a bit more than just lap times or points standings. All I have to do is watch the Lakewood 2011 episode of Inside the Outdoors to remind myself why he wouldn't be on my team.
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Katoom72 7/18/2012 6:19pm
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minidad160 wrote:
i have always wondered why roger picks the team? doesnt other team managers ever get to pick? Sincere question.
Do you think he calls all the shots?
I think DeCoster talks with all the big team managers and the AMA itself about the choice. I'm sure it's not all his call and that everyone has to bend to what he says.
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FastEddy 7/18/2012 6:26pm
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minidad160 wrote:
i have always wondered why roger picks the team? doesnt other team managers ever get to pick? Sincere question.
Katoom72 wrote:
Do you think he calls all the shots? I think DeCoster talks with all the big team managers and the AMA itself about the choice. I'm...
Do you think he calls all the shots?
I think DeCoster talks with all the big team managers and the AMA itself about the choice. I'm sure it's not all his call and that everyone has to bend to what he says.
Even when RC was on the team...Ricky had some say also.
Remember the whole Brown & Tedesco thing (2005 I think)?
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Katoom72 7/18/2012 6:38pm
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Even when RC was on the team...Ricky had some say also.
Remember the whole Brown & Tedesco thing (2005 I think)?
K-Dub was in the decision boot aswell wasn't he?
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Grieby54 7/18/2012 6:42pm
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Titan1 wrote:
We all know you can't compare 250 lap times to 450 lap times....the track is different and its an entirely different ball game all together. I'm...
We all know you can't compare 250 lap times to 450 lap times....the track is different and its an entirely different ball game all together.

I'm not a big Alessi fan...but i just sit back and chuckle as he is beating all these guys with factory bikes (Everyone but Stewart and Dungey) on his privateer bike. Sure, if Stewart, Reed, villopoto, Canard were racing he'd be finishing 6th instead of 2nd....but everyone else would be 4 places back too. The Alessi have to be pounding their chests in triumph in that they are proving that their system works for them...and I say good on 'em...
MR. X wrote:
You learn something new everyday i guess , on TV and even the nationals i've been too , it looked like the both classes where using...
You learn something new everyday i guess , on TV and even the nationals i've been too , it looked like the both classes where using the same track , i should pay closer attention next time.
Titan1 wrote:
You know as well as anyone (unless, of course, you've never raced a moto in your life---and this is Vitalmx, so that wouldn't surprise me) that...
You know as well as anyone (unless, of course, you've never raced a moto in your life---and this is Vitalmx, so that wouldn't surprise me) that the track changes from one lap to the next, and from one moto to the next (it gets rougher, lines change, etc) all of these things affect the lap times. So you can't compare the 250 lap times to the 450 lap times because they aren't on the track at the same time.
I assume you didn't realize that the 250's went second? Meaning they had a rougher track to race on...
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FastEddy 7/18/2012 6:58pm
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FastEddy wrote:
Even when RC was on the team...Ricky had some say also.
Remember the whole Brown & Tedesco thing (2005 I think)?
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K-Dub was in the decision boot aswell wasn't he?
I'm not really sure,it's possible...
But I did hear it was heavily influenced by RC himself....he really wanted Ivan on the team badly that year.
That was kind of a weird deal,because RC was good personal friends with both Brown & Ivan at the time.
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Katoom72 7/18/2012 7:06pm
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I'm not really sure,it's possible... But I did hear it was heavily influenced by RC himself....he really wanted Ivan on the team badly that year. That...
I'm not really sure,it's possible...
But I did hear it was heavily influenced by RC himself....he really wanted Ivan on the team badly that year.
That was kind of a weird deal,because RC was good personal friends with both Brown & Ivan at the time.
Wel i recall it was a decision from 3 ppl; RC, K-dub and that Whitelock guy from AMA.
They wanted Ivan over Brown because Brown was not riding that well, atleast that was the official reason.
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Hando 7/18/2012 7:55pm
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bottom line is, MA800 doesn't deserve to go..he isn't as fast as RD,BB or JB

when he drops the hammer and starts winning/battling..it'd be a different story

RD yards him every race....

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