Mountain Biking

Shiftfaced
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1/20/2012 10:14am
I don't know EXACT weights, but the Fish was Aluminum, and the Epic is also Aluminum.

I will say this though: When he got the Epic, and got much closer to my butt on the climbs, I started to look at my bike a WHOLE BUNCH closer, as I don't have the scratch laying around to go buy a new bike.

So I started buying new components, and selling my old. I dropped over 6 (from 33 down to 26.6) pounds off my bike by:
New wheel set (HUGE IMPROVEMENT!);
Fox fork;
Carbon handlebars,
Carbon seat post,
Specialized Toupe' seat;
Carbon cranks; and
Lightweight cassette in the back.

TerryB
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1/20/2012 12:35pm
This thread comes at a great time, as I am considering getting back in to mountain-biking after quite a long time. I moved from the river valley to the flatlands back in '98, and with nothing but a long straight paved bike path, and about 4 miles of washboard gravel roads to get to it, I just quit riding.

Fast-forward to the present, and my oldest lives in prime MB'ing territory along the river. It would be worth the hour commute, to spend time with him and do some riding.

I'm looking at new bikes, and, well, I'm intrigued by this 29" wheel trend. The advantages over rough terrain seem obvious. So why hasn't the 26" wheel gone away? What is the downside to the 29?
Shiftfaced
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1/20/2012 12:42pm Edited Date/Time 1/20/2012 12:44pm
TerryB wrote:
This thread comes at a great time, as I am considering getting back in to mountain-biking after quite a long time. I moved from the river...
This thread comes at a great time, as I am considering getting back in to mountain-biking after quite a long time. I moved from the river valley to the flatlands back in '98, and with nothing but a long straight paved bike path, and about 4 miles of washboard gravel roads to get to it, I just quit riding.

Fast-forward to the present, and my oldest lives in prime MB'ing territory along the river. It would be worth the hour commute, to spend time with him and do some riding.

I'm looking at new bikes, and, well, I'm intrigued by this 29" wheel trend. The advantages over rough terrain seem obvious. So why hasn't the 26" wheel gone away? What is the downside to the 29?
Can o' worms there bro.

(That was for Peelout)

Most all manufacturers are building 26 and 29" bikes, and you will likely find a great bike in EITHER configuration.

As you probably realize, the 29'er is able to roll over obstacles much smoother, and technological gains in the past 10 years have brought down their weight and mass, so they are not NEARLY as cumbersome as they first were.

26'ers can be a little quicker turning and accelerating, so that is their benefit. And if you are going for an "All Mountain" or "Downhill" bike with 5+ inches of suspension travel, you will be looking at a 26" wheeled bike.

Now my single speed 650b (or 27.5'er) is the best of both worlds! Accellerates and turns quick, like the 26'er, yet rolls over the obstacles much smoother, like the 29'er.

Ha ha! We all have our preferences, and won't budge an inch, much like the 2 stroke vs 4 stroke debate.

Throw a leg over both wheelsets, and see which one you like better. You won't really go wrong with either, though, in my opinion.
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1/20/2012 12:56pm
Thanks for the info. I actually worked at a pretty big bike store back in '94-'96, and had a pretty pimp'd S-works hardtail, but I got rid of it. I'm thinking hardtail again, but who knows what I might get a hankerin' for.

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The 650b option is sort of like having a "3-stroke" if there were such a thing...Throw in the Trek 69er or Carver bikes 96er (26" rear, 29" front) and you have two more options over the standard 26" or 29" wheel choices.

If you are going to buy new, it certainly doesn't hurt to go to a local bike shop and sign up for some demos of as many different bikes as possible. That way you'll be able to go on the trail and see which style you really like.

My three bikes are 26" and I don't really have a need or budget to want to change to something different for the time being.
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1/29/2012 6:24pm Edited Date/Time 1/29/2012 6:29pm
Steel baby (not crazy about how narrow my bars look in the photo, but they are Easton carbons uncut). I painted the Fox fork and wheels, though there are a newer set of Mavics on the bike now.

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TriRacer27 wrote:
Went on a great ride this weekend! This is my ride: [img]http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/2006_specialized_epic_comp.jpg[/img] Not the lightest or newest thing out there but a darn nice ride. Tried...
Went on a great ride this weekend!

This is my ride:



Not the lightest or newest thing out there but a darn nice ride. Tried my friend's 29in solid single-speeder. Thing felt like a tank compared to mine!
I didn't know you were into mountain biking. I have yet to ride any of the DFW trails, but I hear they are great. When I make it down there, maybe we could meet up and ride.
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1/29/2012 8:25pm
Shiftfaced wrote:
I don't know EXACT weights, but the Fish was Aluminum, and the Epic is also Aluminum. I will say this though: When he got the Epic...
I don't know EXACT weights, but the Fish was Aluminum, and the Epic is also Aluminum.

I will say this though: When he got the Epic, and got much closer to my butt on the climbs, I started to look at my bike a WHOLE BUNCH closer, as I don't have the scratch laying around to go buy a new bike.

So I started buying new components, and selling my old. I dropped over 6 (from 33 down to 26.6) pounds off my bike by:
New wheel set (HUGE IMPROVEMENT!);
Fox fork;
Carbon handlebars,
Carbon seat post,
Specialized Toupe' seat;
Carbon cranks; and
Lightweight cassette in the back.

Cool bike!

I love my old Racer X.

bullpen58
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1/29/2012 9:29pm
Can someone explain to me what the purpose of those hardtail single speed mountain bikes is? I mean, what kind of riding are they designed for? I can't imagine what I would want one for. No offense.
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1/30/2012 3:18am
Still coated with grime from Saturday's ride, my wife's bike is on the left, mine on the right. Eighteen years after taking it out of the box it still performs and impresses. Better brakes and forks that didn't flex like cooked noodles would be nice, though.Huh

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1/30/2012 4:08am Edited Date/Time 1/30/2012 4:21am
here's my Cannondale Gemini '03... these are the pictures before I bought it.... it's now a bit dirtier. Gonna get a new, longer seatpost soon, to make long-distance pedalling a bit easier... but it's much better than i am ability-wise and it soaks up everything i'm brave enough to throw at it lol



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1/30/2012 4:28am
You need better tires on that bike too Bulmer.
1/30/2012 6:27am
TriRacer27 wrote:
Went on a great ride this weekend! This is my ride: [img]http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/2006_specialized_epic_comp.jpg[/img] Not the lightest or newest thing out there but a darn nice ride. Tried...
Went on a great ride this weekend!

This is my ride:



Not the lightest or newest thing out there but a darn nice ride. Tried my friend's 29in solid single-speeder. Thing felt like a tank compared to mine!
I didn't know you were into mountain biking. I have yet to ride any of the DFW trails, but I hear they are great. When I...
I didn't know you were into mountain biking. I have yet to ride any of the DFW trails, but I hear they are great. When I make it down there, maybe we could meet up and ride.
Yeah, absolutely!

I've ridden just about all of them and love going with others so just PM when you're in the area.
1/30/2012 7:44am
Picked up a 2010 Rocky Mountain Altitude 70 RSL this past summer and it has been great.
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JineTC wrote:
Still coated with grime from Saturday's ride, my wife's bike is on the left, mine on the right. Eighteen years after taking it out of the...
Still coated with grime from Saturday's ride, my wife's bike is on the left, mine on the right. Eighteen years after taking it out of the box it still performs and impresses. Better brakes and forks that didn't flex like cooked noodles would be nice, though.Huh

Old school, nice! Here's my last GT.

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ayearinmx wrote:
here's my Cannondale Gemini '03... these are the pictures before I bought it.... it's now a bit dirtier. Gonna get a new, longer seatpost soon, to...
here's my Cannondale Gemini '03... these are the pictures before I bought it.... it's now a bit dirtier. Gonna get a new, longer seatpost soon, to make long-distance pedalling a bit easier... but it's much better than i am ability-wise and it soaks up everything i'm brave enough to throw at it lol






Loved my Gemini that I had. Very simple, light, dependable bike.
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1/30/2012 3:06pm
just made my race bike a 650b or 27.5 inch wheels.gained some weight w/ the new fork and tires and about 1/4 lb on wheelset.but respectable as pictured 23lb12oz.
1/30/2012 3:51pm
zippy895 wrote:
just made my race bike a 650b or 27.5 inch wheels.gained some weight w/ the new fork and tires and about 1/4 lb on wheelset.but respectable...
just made my race bike a 650b or 27.5 inch wheels.gained some weight w/ the new fork and tires and about 1/4 lb on wheelset.but respectable as pictured 23lb12oz.
Nice bike.

How's it ride on the 27s instead of the 26s? that's the aluminum frame version right?
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zippy895 wrote:
just made my race bike a 650b or 27.5 inch wheels.gained some weight w/ the new fork and tires and about 1/4 lb on wheelset.but respectable...
just made my race bike a 650b or 27.5 inch wheels.gained some weight w/ the new fork and tires and about 1/4 lb on wheelset.but respectable as pictured 23lb12oz.
TriRacer27 wrote:
Nice bike.

How's it ride on the 27s instead of the 26s? that's the aluminum frame version right?
its carbon but the rear is alloy. i rode it yesterday for the first time on the full suspension. for me , it has better bottom bracket clearance and your able to peddle thru turns others cant. it feels more like a 26r than a 29r.i like it so far. i had the wheels on an sworks hardtail geared and single speed as well.i think i am staying w/ 650b. i have industry 9 26 inch wheelset and called i9. they can make 650 size alloy spokes, so i will probably convert those hubs as well.only adjustment i made was i flipped my stem down .
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nytsmaC wrote:
Old school, nice! Here's my last GT. [img]http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv212/Camstyn/bikes.jpg[/img]
Old school, nice! Here's my last GT.

Beautiful Zaskar LE there, do you still have it? I love those team colors. I rode my wife's previous bike ( '93 Zaskar) during the week; it hadn't been ridden literally in years. Man, what a great platform.
1/30/2012 5:10pm
I bought a 2012 Epic Expert carbon 29er a couple of weeks ago. Honestly have not ridden it, other than around the neighborhood trails trying to get the suspension set up....I'm exited to do a long ride on it though. I can't seem to get pics posted here (I'm kind of a dummy with computers).
I also have a really nice 23 lb. Niner Air9 hardtail and an couple of sweet IF 26" hardtails.
My riding time was limited in 2011, but this year I'll definitely get out a couple times a week.
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TriRacer27 wrote:
Went on a great ride this weekend! This is my ride: [img]http://www.productwiki.com/upload/images/2006_specialized_epic_comp.jpg[/img] Not the lightest or newest thing out there but a darn nice ride. Tried...
Went on a great ride this weekend!

This is my ride:



Not the lightest or newest thing out there but a darn nice ride. Tried my friend's 29in solid single-speeder. Thing felt like a tank compared to mine!
I didn't know you were into mountain biking. I have yet to ride any of the DFW trails, but I hear they are great. When I...
I didn't know you were into mountain biking. I have yet to ride any of the DFW trails, but I hear they are great. When I make it down there, maybe we could meet up and ride.
TriRacer27 wrote:
Yeah, absolutely!

I've ridden just about all of them and love going with others so just PM when you're in the area.
I live about 15 minutes from Northshore. Love that trail.
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bullpen58 wrote:
Can someone explain to me what the purpose of those hardtail single speed mountain bikes is? I mean, what kind of riding are they designed for...
Can someone explain to me what the purpose of those hardtail single speed mountain bikes is? I mean, what kind of riding are they designed for? I can't imagine what I would want one for. No offense.
There are LOTS of different reasons for a hard-tailed single speed. Here are just a few:
*Simplicity. Check air in the tires, and ride.
*Speed. Going up hills will be MUCH FASTER than you were on a geared bike.
*Fitness. Riding this style of bike FORCES you to work harder going up hill.
*Momentum. Because you cannot pedal all that fast (my bike is about 14 mph tops), you cannot surrender any momentum, so you ride much faster and smoother.
*Different. After you have ridden the same trails over and over and over, riding a bike that forces you to look/approach the trails differently makes the trails almost seem new again.

There are a billion more reasons, but after you ride on a SS for a while, and incorporate these skills into your riding "toolbox", when you go back to your fully suspended and geared bike, you will be LOADS faster, so much so that you almost feel like you are cheating.
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1/31/2012 7:47am
Shiftfaced wrote:
I don't know EXACT weights, but the Fish was Aluminum, and the Epic is also Aluminum. I will say this though: When he got the Epic...
I don't know EXACT weights, but the Fish was Aluminum, and the Epic is also Aluminum.

I will say this though: When he got the Epic, and got much closer to my butt on the climbs, I started to look at my bike a WHOLE BUNCH closer, as I don't have the scratch laying around to go buy a new bike.

So I started buying new components, and selling my old. I dropped over 6 (from 33 down to 26.6) pounds off my bike by:
New wheel set (HUGE IMPROVEMENT!);
Fox fork;
Carbon handlebars,
Carbon seat post,
Specialized Toupe' seat;
Carbon cranks; and
Lightweight cassette in the back.

CamP wrote:
Cool bike! I love my old Racer X. [img]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i60/clpotter/PA240007.jpg[/img]
Cool bike!

I love my old Racer X.

Thanks! It is a shame that company closed its' doors, because they made awesome bikes. I love that ano frame you have.
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1/31/2012 8:50am
Have any of you ever had your rear shock rebuilt? I have a Fox RL pull shock on my '03 K2 Razorback Team. Fox does not rebuild them anymore but Noleen does. I am fairly new to the MTB scene, I started last year. Here is a picture of my bike
I have upgraded the wheels to Mavic CrossMaxs Easton EC90 Carbon Bars, Easton EC70 Carbon seat post and all Shimano XTR components.
1/31/2012 9:00am
I didn't know you were into mountain biking. I have yet to ride any of the DFW trails, but I hear they are great. When I...
I didn't know you were into mountain biking. I have yet to ride any of the DFW trails, but I hear they are great. When I make it down there, maybe we could meet up and ride.
TriRacer27 wrote:
Yeah, absolutely!

I've ridden just about all of them and love going with others so just PM when you're in the area.
CamP wrote:
I live about 15 minutes from Northshore. Love that trail.
Well let's go riding CamP! I've been down there at least twice a week lately training for the upcoming Eco Lonestar race there in March. Right now I'm getting over a bit of a cold so next time I go will likely be Thursday or Friday at the earliest but let me know if you want to meet up. My weekend rides are usually with other people at a more leisurely pace
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1/31/2012 9:14am
Shiftfaced wrote:
Thanks! It is a shame that company closed its' doors, because they made awesome bikes. I love that ano frame you have.
It was a shame when Investors forced Titus' founder, Chris Cocalis, out in 2006 and ran the company into the ground. Cocalis is back with Pivot Cycles. http://pivotcycles.com/timbh/chrismbainterview.pdf
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1/31/2012 9:16am Edited Date/Time 1/31/2012 9:16am


Here is a picture of my ride.


edit: Why is it so small?
CamP
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1/31/2012 9:27am Edited Date/Time 1/31/2012 9:28am
TriRacer27 wrote:
Yeah, absolutely!

I've ridden just about all of them and love going with others so just PM when you're in the area.
CamP wrote:
I live about 15 minutes from Northshore. Love that trail.
TriRacer27 wrote:
Well let's go riding CamP! I've been down there at least twice a week lately training for the upcoming Eco Lonestar race there in March. Right...
Well let's go riding CamP! I've been down there at least twice a week lately training for the upcoming Eco Lonestar race there in March. Right now I'm getting over a bit of a cold so next time I go will likely be Thursday or Friday at the earliest but let me know if you want to meet up. My weekend rides are usually with other people at a more leisurely pace
Sounds good, but I'm a long ways from racer shape right now. Weekdays are best for me as we are usually throttle twisting on the weekends.

Me and a buddy are heading out there this afternoon.
1/31/2012 10:05am
CamP wrote:
I live about 15 minutes from Northshore. Love that trail.
TriRacer27 wrote:
Well let's go riding CamP! I've been down there at least twice a week lately training for the upcoming Eco Lonestar race there in March. Right...
Well let's go riding CamP! I've been down there at least twice a week lately training for the upcoming Eco Lonestar race there in March. Right now I'm getting over a bit of a cold so next time I go will likely be Thursday or Friday at the earliest but let me know if you want to meet up. My weekend rides are usually with other people at a more leisurely pace
CamP wrote:
Sounds good, but I'm a long ways from racer shape right now. Weekdays are best for me as we are usually throttle twisting on the weekends...
Sounds good, but I'm a long ways from racer shape right now. Weekdays are best for me as we are usually throttle twisting on the weekends.

Me and a buddy are heading out there this afternoon.
What time yall goin out? I'm feeling better today so I might try it out if I get some work done. Just got my bike re-done and the forks fully re-serviced so I'm itching to go try them out. They feel completely different. Apparently I had a couple of things broken in there, including the bottom-out spring so it should ride better now.

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