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BESTY #72 1/15/2012 4:36am
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In the little JGR footage section last night, anyone else here Coy say something like (that means like. Not a quote!) "if it's past your time and can't succeed it's time to move on...."?? This was in reference to him and diving, but how ironic is that? Yeah, you just got James Stewart, but guess what. He's right at the point where he should move on. (if he wants to leave with a little bit of dignity left). Come out, get a win (if poss.) and announce retirement on the podium.

I think there's too much pressure and James just can't hack it. It's like 05 when he had RC to deal with, he just can't do it..
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Spartacus 1/15/2012 5:13am
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His 'problem' is clearly a 6" space!

The 6" between his ears. The more he thinks/rides like "I can't fall, I need to finish" the more he's focusing on falling not riding.

He needs a sports shrink. Badly.

[Unless he's just thinking to much about another Segway SX shoot at his compound.]

Perhaps we can all agree that he's one of the fastest riders ever to win the fewest titles and garner the most attention of all time?


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iro 1/15/2012 5:16am
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all the haters need to take a step back for a minute here and look at this season to date... its the second damn race of the year and you are writing people off? really??? I'm a race fan and I root for everyone on the track so I'm neither a stewart nut hugger or hater but if you think he's done you really are a moran... there are A LOT of races left and I wouldn't count anyone out quite yet. I bet stewart and reed both have wins coming in the near future and the ryans will have similar "bad" races as the 22 and 7 have had the last 2 weeks.
Franklin Bluth 1/15/2012 5:32am
1/15/2012 5:32am
He's not finished by any stretch. However, what we are seeing is a bunch of new guys that are matching his speed and can ride that speed consistently. James used to sprint and blow everyone out of the water. He can't do that anymore since everyone is on the same level with him. What I saw last night was two old dogs (Reed and Stewart) trying to match these kids. SX & MX is a young man's sport and these two will be retired within the next 2-3 years. I've seen this story play out over and over again for the last 35 years.

P, I don't agree with you that James would gap the field now if he was motivated, etc. RV is going the same speed and is more consistent.

Also, I believe his JGR contract stipulates that he must ride outdoors. There is no choice for him to make regarding the nationals. So, we get to see him this summer. You guys can take it to the bank that I will be at Unadilla!

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Smitch 1/15/2012 5:32am
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Thanks for your humble opinion, and yeah, no question, James was other level on his KX125. But that was years ago. He was supposed to be...
Thanks for your humble opinion, and yeah, no question, James was other level on his KX125.

But that was years ago. He was supposed to be the one to beat MC's record on the big bikes..... 7 years, two titles. Hhhmmmmm.

In 07 - 09, who was he racing ( besides Reed ) who could give him any competition? Short? Langston? Ferry? I don't think so.

In MY humble opinion, there may as well be an * beside his perfect outdoor season in 08. He had NO competition.
That's not true. He had to beat Michael Byrne that year. Wink
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motogrady 1/15/2012 5:36am
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P wrote:
And less titles just means less titles. Most wins means greatest ever. How about this, I don't want to offend you, but do you have the...
And less titles just means less titles. Most wins means greatest ever. How about this, I don't want to offend you, but do you have the ability to see................if not I can understand where you are coming from.


P
Hey, I admire the guy.
Saw him at budds when he went undefeated.
He wasn't the fastest on the planet, he was from another planet.
But P is wrong, it's not about the total wins.
Not to me anyway.
At that level, it's the titles.
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jtomasik 1/15/2012 5:40am
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Although none of us really know what's going to happen, it doesn't look good for James. He hasn't been in the game full-time recently, and this isn't exactly a sport a person can just walk up and take a championship. Also, James isn't typically known for being consistent to come from behind to capture a championship. Unfortunately, I suspect James' reign is over. It's really too bad....the guy is definitely an amazing talent.
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ODB 1/15/2012 5:42am
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P .................put the blunt down dude ..................its over,hes past his prime hes not focused and he doesn't want to put in the seat time to get up to speed .............hes just stupid fast now and its catchin up every race to him .....sorry dude
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er0ck33 1/15/2012 6:08am
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When Stewart came in he was the next step on the evolutionary ladder, the only ones who were up there with him were RC and Reed...
When Stewart came in he was the next step on the evolutionary ladder, the only ones who were up there with him were RC and Reed. It took Reed a few years on the 4 stroke to get back to being as good as he was on the two stroke. Stewart had a pretty easy go of it when RC retired with Reed the only one close to his level. The step after Stewart is already here and there are a few of them, and they are as good as Stewart was at his best. Stewart was never the greatest human to ever ride a dirt bike, just the best of his era for a while.
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Shiiiiiit. James is still the greatest to ever throw a leg over a 125cc machine. Say what you will about his 250/450 career he was running...
Shiiiiiit. James is still the greatest to ever throw a leg over a 125cc machine. Say what you will about his 250/450 career he was running with and beating the "the GOAT" in SX without training. He also passed RC on a 250 two-stroke outdoors when he was 10 seconds a lap slower in practice. Unheard of.

What you are seeing now is more a kid/kids that are training and hungry and a vet that is slowing down. If James trained and was as focused as Dungey or RD he would be gapping the field every week. That's just MHO.


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Thanks for your humble opinion, and yeah, no question, James was other level on his KX125. But that was years ago. He was supposed to be...
Thanks for your humble opinion, and yeah, no question, James was other level on his KX125.

But that was years ago. He was supposed to be the one to beat MC's record on the big bikes..... 7 years, two titles. Hhhmmmmm.

In 07 - 09, who was he racing ( besides Reed ) who could give him any competition? Short? Langston? Ferry? I don't think so.

In MY humble opinion, there may as well be an * beside his perfect outdoor season in 08. He had NO competition.
No James was on another level on his Kawasaki...that machine suited him like no other! I've NEVER seen anyone ever do the stuff he did on that machine...some shit looked impossible.
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user760a 1/15/2012 6:13am
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As I said before, The Kawasaki KX450F is the best bike ever made. Probably nobody knows that better than stewart.

One has to wonder about the lifestyle and mega distractions that stewart has going on, though. Multiple houses, TV show, fleet of exotic cars, etc all says diversion/distraction and not focus. He needs to offload all that crap and get serious again. He has his old age to dick around in...my .02
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mx317 1/15/2012 6:30am
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P wrote:
It's racing, riders get injured. Apparently you didn't know that.


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Some get hurt more than others. That's why "others" have more titles in the 125 class. Part of racing is finishing. Apparently YOU didn't know that.
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He finished enough races to have more wins in the class than ANY OTHER RIDER IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT. [u]Apparently you don't want to...
He finished enough races to have more wins in the class than ANY OTHER RIDER IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT. Apparently you don't want to acknowledge that.


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I think he know that P. But in his mind and many others, having more titles is best. I would think the bonuses would be much larger also.
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CR500Rider 1/15/2012 7:30am
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P wrote:
He didn't compete in those first three or four races that season. It's not that he didn't finish the races.


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I understand you've got to start them before you can finish them. It's his own fault he wasn't healthy enough to do so which left him...
I understand you've got to start them before you can finish them. It's his own fault he wasn't healthy enough to do so which left him with less titles.
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And less titles just means less titles. Most wins means greatest ever. How about this, I don't want to offend you, but do you have the...
And less titles just means less titles. Most wins means greatest ever. How about this, I don't want to offend you, but do you have the ability to see................if not I can understand where you are coming from.


P
I see clearly he is faster than greased lightening with the inability to finish most seasons. I don't want to offend you if you don't have the mental capacity to understand it but your guy has less titles, which is what the history books will point out. Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
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Hank_Thrill 1/15/2012 7:56am
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He still has the speed, no doubt. He rode great last night until hitting Short. Hopefully he will get a start next week.
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pilotdude 1/15/2012 8:17am
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iro wrote:
all the haters need to take a step back for a minute here and look at this season to date... its the second damn race of...
all the haters need to take a step back for a minute here and look at this season to date... its the second damn race of the year and you are writing people off? really??? I'm a race fan and I root for everyone on the track so I'm neither a stewart nut hugger or hater but if you think he's done you really are a moran... there are A LOT of races left and I wouldn't count anyone out quite yet. I bet stewart and reed both have wins coming in the near future and the ryans will have similar "bad" races as the 22 and 7 have had the last 2 weeks.
Bud I hate to break it to you but last night WAS a bad race for RV.
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RaceFace 1/15/2012 8:46am
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iro wrote:
all the haters need to take a step back for a minute here and look at this season to date... its the second damn race of...
all the haters need to take a step back for a minute here and look at this season to date... its the second damn race of the year and you are writing people off? really??? I'm a race fan and I root for everyone on the track so I'm neither a stewart nut hugger or hater but if you think he's done you really are a moran... there are A LOT of races left and I wouldn't count anyone out quite yet. I bet stewart and reed both have wins coming in the near future and the ryans will have similar "bad" races as the 22 and 7 have had the last 2 weeks.
Well, I think the 22 and the 7 are relying too much on their ego getting them through at this point. Neither one is done, but it is not looking good at this point for wins or titles. I think both of them in their heyday did not have to train or work too hard at success, and now have to. Add to that the fact that age gets EVERYBODY, and you have what we are seeing. It gets everyone different, but it gets them all the same.
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panic rev 1/15/2012 8:56am
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Take the NASCAR deal
He will be going roundie round sooner than later I think
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mark_swart 1/15/2012 8:58am
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I think he's far from done. He just needs to work something out for his starts... whether it is technique, setup or just his personal confidence.
And despite everything, a 6 and an 8 are far better than a DNF or a 19 like we have seen in the past when he got bad starts and impaled himself trying to come through the pack (like when he landed on the back of JT$).
This is rust from not racing, IMO. Something he needs to think about this summer when it's time to decide if he wants to go outdoors or not.

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zippy895 1/15/2012 9:00am
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P wrote:
If he could ride the Main like he rode his heat he would be fine, but at this point I think that he needs to focus...
If he could ride the Main like he rode his heat he would be fine, but at this point I think that he needs to focus on running two or three races WITHOUT FALLING. He needs to build his confidence back up. If he can do that he can be at least top 5 each week. After he does that he should shoot for the podium and then wins. That approach won't win him the title this year, but it will put him in good shape for the Nationals (if he wants to ride them) and prove that he still has what it takes to win races and possibly a title in future years. That's just how I see it.


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P, solid there.
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DownSouth 1/15/2012 9:08am
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When Stewart signed with JGR to stay on the Yamaha and started doing all the interviews and the podcast with Matthes everyone was marveling that he sounded so confident and with JGR would be right back at the top as the favorite To me it did not sound like confidence but like a guy trying to convince himself that he made the right decision to go for a longer contract and more money over the yellow bike he actually wanted to ride.

He will still win races if he can get a good start, but when he gets a bad start and is in traffic his head just seems to short circuit and things go badly.
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bhensley68 1/15/2012 9:20am
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I keep hearing age... Reed is 30, finished ahead of steward last night. Windam is mid 30's and finished 4th last night. for the just getting back to it excuse. Canard is coming off two injuries and first race back he beats Stewart. JS7 Picked a good teammate this year. Top 5 sounds like a good goal for both of them. JGR should go back to their original philosopy of grooming a champion ( as well as getting on another brand of bike).
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RaceFace 1/15/2012 9:28am
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DownSouth wrote:
When Stewart signed with JGR to stay on the Yamaha and started doing all the interviews and the podcast with Matthes everyone was marveling that he...
When Stewart signed with JGR to stay on the Yamaha and started doing all the interviews and the podcast with Matthes everyone was marveling that he sounded so confident and with JGR would be right back at the top as the favorite To me it did not sound like confidence but like a guy trying to convince himself that he made the right decision to go for a longer contract and more money over the yellow bike he actually wanted to ride.

He will still win races if he can get a good start, but when he gets a bad start and is in traffic his head just seems to short circuit and things go badly.
If Stewart fanboys would stop talking about IF this or IF that and making up every verifiable or unverifiable excuse as to why he is still the awesomest most excellent rider to ever race MX/SX, these threads would start to die down some. Stewart can't win forever and sooner or later this was coming. Stewart went 3-1 in the first two rounds last year and was 2 points out of the series lead at this point then. He then won 2 of the next 3 giving him 3 wins in the first 5 events. He is 17 points out already now, and if people think that everyone is going to have a DNF or DNQ again this year to tighten everything up, not going to happen.
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WillyB 1/15/2012 9:29am
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Man, he just looks depressed! I can't help but feel bad for the guy. Regardless of how much money he has, he just doesn't look happy any more. I hope he turns it around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqA9xiLfUls
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machine 1/15/2012 9:31am
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RaceFace wrote:
If Stewart fanboys would stop talking about IF this or IF that and making up every verifiable or unverifiable excuse as to why he is still...
If Stewart fanboys would stop talking about IF this or IF that and making up every verifiable or unverifiable excuse as to why he is still the awesomest most excellent rider to ever race MX/SX, these threads would start to die down some. Stewart can't win forever and sooner or later this was coming. Stewart went 3-1 in the first two rounds last year and was 2 points out of the series lead at this point then. He then won 2 of the next 3 giving him 3 wins in the first 5 events. He is 17 points out already now, and if people think that everyone is going to have a DNF or DNQ again this year to tighten everything up, not going to happen.
Yep, he gets more attention than the guys actually winning the races, unbelievable.
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mxb2 1/15/2012 9:45am
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RaceFace wrote:
If Stewart fanboys would stop talking about IF this or IF that and making up every verifiable or unverifiable excuse as to why he is still...
If Stewart fanboys would stop talking about IF this or IF that and making up every verifiable or unverifiable excuse as to why he is still the awesomest most excellent rider to ever race MX/SX, these threads would start to die down some. Stewart can't win forever and sooner or later this was coming. Stewart went 3-1 in the first two rounds last year and was 2 points out of the series lead at this point then. He then won 2 of the next 3 giving him 3 wins in the first 5 events. He is 17 points out already now, and if people think that everyone is going to have a DNF or DNQ again this year to tighten everything up, not going to happen.
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Yep, he gets more attention than the guys actually winning the races, unbelievable.
Yea bad press is better than no press, ask charles manson LOL!
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DownSouth 1/15/2012 9:46am
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RaceFace wrote:
If Stewart fanboys would stop talking about IF this or IF that and making up every verifiable or unverifiable excuse as to why he is still...
If Stewart fanboys would stop talking about IF this or IF that and making up every verifiable or unverifiable excuse as to why he is still the awesomest most excellent rider to ever race MX/SX, these threads would start to die down some. Stewart can't win forever and sooner or later this was coming. Stewart went 3-1 in the first two rounds last year and was 2 points out of the series lead at this point then. He then won 2 of the next 3 giving him 3 wins in the first 5 events. He is 17 points out already now, and if people think that everyone is going to have a DNF or DNQ again this year to tighten everything up, not going to happen.
Of all the fast guys to me Stewart is the most likely to get a DNF so being in a 17 point hole already is not a good thing. So far he has two small crashes in two races but past history suggests he will have a couple of big ones at some point.
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RaceFace wrote:
If Stewart fanboys would stop talking about IF this or IF that and making up every verifiable or unverifiable excuse as to why he is still...
If Stewart fanboys would stop talking about IF this or IF that and making up every verifiable or unverifiable excuse as to why he is still the awesomest most excellent rider to ever race MX/SX, these threads would start to die down some. Stewart can't win forever and sooner or later this was coming. Stewart went 3-1 in the first two rounds last year and was 2 points out of the series lead at this point then. He then won 2 of the next 3 giving him 3 wins in the first 5 events. He is 17 points out already now, and if people think that everyone is going to have a DNF or DNQ again this year to tighten everything up, not going to happen.
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Of all the fast guys to me Stewart is the most likely to get a DNF so being in a 17 point hole already is not...
Of all the fast guys to me Stewart is the most likely to get a DNF so being in a 17 point hole already is not a good thing. So far he has two small crashes in two races but past history suggests he will have a couple of big ones at some point.
17 points is nothing. A JS win and a Villo DNF turns that into an 8 point RV deficit. it is still so early.
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mxb2 1/15/2012 10:02am
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You are right, its early but #7 needs a win to make a statement, quit with the bs and excuses.
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RaceFace 1/15/2012 10:28am
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If Stewart fanboys would stop talking about IF this or IF that and making up every verifiable or unverifiable excuse as to why he is still...
If Stewart fanboys would stop talking about IF this or IF that and making up every verifiable or unverifiable excuse as to why he is still the awesomest most excellent rider to ever race MX/SX, these threads would start to die down some. Stewart can't win forever and sooner or later this was coming. Stewart went 3-1 in the first two rounds last year and was 2 points out of the series lead at this point then. He then won 2 of the next 3 giving him 3 wins in the first 5 events. He is 17 points out already now, and if people think that everyone is going to have a DNF or DNQ again this year to tighten everything up, not going to happen.
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Of all the fast guys to me Stewart is the most likely to get a DNF so being in a 17 point hole already is not...
Of all the fast guys to me Stewart is the most likely to get a DNF so being in a 17 point hole already is not a good thing. So far he has two small crashes in two races but past history suggests he will have a couple of big ones at some point.
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17 points is nothing. A JS win and a Villo DNF turns that into an 8 point RV deficit. it is still so early.
Here's what I think about Stewart last night.

He was a little sick. He went out and set fastest lap in the first practice, and I think he really thought that would stick. I think he was trying to play a little mind game, claim he was so sick that he was sitting out 2nd practice, still have the fastest lap time, and come out of nowhere and smoke the main event. He didn't look anwhere near as sick as Dean Wilson did. I even admit that I was worried that was the case when the race started, until you see him making a million mistakes. After his first huck-a-buck through the whoops, I thought he was going to crash. I bet the majority of us did, even Stewart fans.

The only problem is when he hit the track in the main and went down again, while setting less than blistering lap times. He dropped under 53 seconds once, and had several 54s. I don't think he knows what is happening which makes it all the harder to fix. 17 points is huge, especially when you aren't even sniffing a win.
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Tarian 1/15/2012 11:10am
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Here is the main http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uL7C2PoYXw Watch how bad Stewart's starts are' he was more or less last.He went through the pack pretty well then crashed.I would'nt count him out yet

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