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"Wouldn't that just make you stop though?"
Do you two have degrees in physics by any chance? Look, guys, I know it sounds silly. I know it sounds a little far-fetched. All I know is it works, and you shouldn't say anything until you've tried it.
Again, not mocking the OP.
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I could make quite a bit of change. Windham used a different headstay that apparently made a huge difference in handling & Honda ended up adopting it to their production model. It didn't even change any mounting points.
I'm still curious what this does to the other mounts though. You can't move an engine 2mm & still have all the mounts line up correctly.
One day you will graduate! That day will be when you realize that the more you know , the more you know you don't know.
Sounds like you have a long way to go though.
I am sure you laugh in ultimate coolness whenever you hear someone mention " seat of the pants".
Try not to be such a "typical" engeneer.
Think about it this way 70lbs on a 240lb bike is about what 28% of the total weight? By moving the motor forward 2mm........they claim they are moving 28% of the weight forward? That makes no sense. A few pounds maybe? Physics wouldn't allow this as moving the motor only 2mm is extremely small. 10-15mm maybe would do that...or more?
Honestly.....I "think" they meant 7lbs. That would make a lot more sense. And moving that much weight from the center or rear....to the front , I think would probably help tremendously.
I think someone screwed the math up from their marketing group ( or wording ).......BUT....if it works , it works! Good luck Bad10......hope that little mod works as well as you say.
https://youtu.be/H4_9kDO3q0w
Continue your useless argument.....
I am a huge fan of simplicity. I am also a huge fan of truth.
In this case, my experience, education, and career background lead me to believe this is a case of placebo effect.
I welcome any of you to prove me wrong, do a true blind test with this or any product and post your methods and results. Back it up with data from the motorcycle if you can.
Seat of the pants doesn't lie when the test method is correct. You need many riders, many bikes, and completely blind tests of bikes with/without this product.
I totally endorse empirical test data (rider feedback/laptimes/etc), in fact, I prefer them over results purely built on engineering data. Problem with empirical data in this case is that, as I have said in prior posts, the human mind is a very powerful thing. The placebo effect is well documented in medical tests. You need to have a significant number of controlled tests on this product where the rider is put on a bike with no change, told there is a change, and the rider is put on the bike with the change, and told nothing was changed. Lastly, put them on a bike with the part on it and tell them it has the part on it. If the part truly works as designed, then the results will show it in this case. You need to repeat the tests multiple times on multiple days with multiple riders. Have them ride a control motorcycle first, have them ride the other motorcycles in a different order and have them ride them multiple times. The bikes must be indistinguishable from each other and the rider must not be present when the bikes are "swapped" for them to ride. For some other tests you need to rotate the parts/test cases between the bikes to ensure that the feedback was not due to fundamental differences in the bikes.
BUT, lastly I will add, even if this part does work purely on placebo effect, if it makes you more confident in your motorcycle and allows you to ride harder/faster/longer then it is a success! Much of the speed on a track is due to the rider and if the rider can be made more confident, through actual results or placebo results, then you have a success!
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I "think" what they meant to say was it takes a 70lb motor and moves it forward 2mm........NOT that it moves a total of 70lbs to the front of the bike.
"I just tried the mod......hit this huge triple......and beat Pastrana's forward flip record......three full revolutions.....and I wasn't even trying!"
Fucking classic.
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