Dungey/KTM: 2 years, 5mil, new bike.

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NP301 9/5/2011 1:31pm
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Not sure what you are talking about. Our 08 KTM144SX is a pretty amazing bike that we have had minimal issues with. The build quality is...
Not sure what you are talking about. Our 08 KTM144SX is a pretty amazing bike that we have had minimal issues with. The build quality is exceptional compared to the thirty plus Japanese bikes in my garage. Ease of maintenance deserves a big thumbs up. No tools required for servicing the air filter, one bolt removes the seat, three bolts (I think) removes the tank and shrouds, chromoly frame allows plenty of room to access nearly everything. Oh, those wood screws you must be talking about, the 6 mm headed aggresive coarse thread ones that hold the plastic shrouds to the plastic fuel tank??? Yeah I gotta admit those really suck compared to the seizing steel screw/corroding brass insert/ ruin the fuel tank setup that the Japanese use. LMAO. And the stock nickle plated exhaust system, Magura hydraulic clutch, Brembo brakes, billett triple clamps with 4 position bar mounts, aluminum fat bars and top quality chain really suck as standard equipment. The list price coming in under Japanese equipment really screws the pooch though.....
That is a two stroke! Smile
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Dungey needs to pull a Hannah and go in the Suzuki bosses office and demand his championship bonus for the running out of fuel incident in...
Dungey needs to pull a Hannah and go in the Suzuki bosses office and demand his championship bonus for the running out of fuel incident in Texas. Imagine losing millions of dollars because a major team who has been racing motocross the world over for the past forty plus years put too small of a fuel tank on your bike. LMAO. They have been adding capacity to race bike tanks since the 70's, absolutely zero excuse for that one. It's like they robbed Dungey at gunpoint.
+1 Thats something that should have been tested. They should have been running 42 minute motos on a deep ripped track to make sure that they could easily run 35 minutes. No excuse and too much a stake to let the little things kill you.
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burnside 9/5/2011 2:27pm
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Dungey + Roczen + Musquin (hopefully on form) = a pretty bad ass team to say the least. Going to be a lot of orange on the podium in 2012.
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Tim507 9/5/2011 2:36pm
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Goose's personal bike is a KTM 300Smile

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ando 9/5/2011 2:55pm
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newmann wrote:
Dungey needs to pull a Hannah and go in the Suzuki bosses office and demand his championship bonus for the running out of fuel incident in...
Dungey needs to pull a Hannah and go in the Suzuki bosses office and demand his championship bonus for the running out of fuel incident in Texas. Imagine losing millions of dollars because a major team who has been racing motocross the world over for the past forty plus years put too small of a fuel tank on your bike. LMAO. They have been adding capacity to race bike tanks since the 70's, absolutely zero excuse for that one. It's like they robbed Dungey at gunpoint.
Yeah right on.

Also, if Dungey loses by less than six points, Goose should do the same thing - that last turn mistake in Moto 1 at Steel City was unforgivable, and probably cost Goose his championship bonus.
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kongols 9/5/2011 2:59pm
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Yeah right on. Also, if Dungey loses by less than six points, Goose should do the same thing - that last turn mistake in Moto 1...
Yeah right on.

Also, if Dungey loses by less than six points, Goose should do the same thing - that last turn mistake in Moto 1 at Steel City was unforgivable, and probably cost Goose his championship bonus.
Wow dude, what a fuck are you smoking? That shit will kill you.
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Yeah right on. Also, if Dungey loses by less than six points, Goose should do the same thing - that last turn mistake in Moto 1...
Yeah right on.

Also, if Dungey loses by less than six points, Goose should do the same thing - that last turn mistake in Moto 1 at Steel City was unforgivable, and probably cost Goose his championship bonus.
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Wow dude, what a fuck are you smoking? That shit will kill you.
Sarcasm dude, it's in your sig.
dirtbikemike 9/5/2011 3:41pm
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I could use a couple of these babies:



or these:



or just one of these:

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Too be frank, its hard to bet against The Man, Goose, and RD on any team.

Seriously....... WTF
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ando wrote:
Yeah right on. Also, if Dungey loses by less than six points, Goose should do the same thing - that last turn mistake in Moto 1...
Yeah right on.

Also, if Dungey loses by less than six points, Goose should do the same thing - that last turn mistake in Moto 1 at Steel City was unforgivable, and probably cost Goose his championship bonus.
kongols wrote:
Wow dude, what a fuck are you smoking? That shit will kill you.
ando wrote:
Sarcasm dude, it's in your sig.
So you don`t think newmann has a point? Just to be clear I do think that newmann has a point.
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to be clear id ride and develop the trail 90 for 2 mil a year lol! it could be a mack truck i could give a shit less what it rode like for enough pesos. he already has titles dungey will be just fine. and rich dont forget that part. hey ryan how big is the house u bought ur parents? high stakes dont get me wrong. but the reward is equal
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kongols wrote:
Wow dude, what a fuck are you smoking? That shit will kill you.
ando wrote:
Sarcasm dude, it's in your sig.
kongols wrote:
So you don`t think newmann has a point? Just to be clear I do think that newmann has a point.
That's crazy.
It was a mechanical.
Unless it's in his contract."and if the title is lost due to a mechanical failure the rider will be paid
the championship riders fee", it's just whining.
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TripleFive wrote:
So who's out at big orange? I think AS29 would make an excellent #2 rider as long as they fork over a few more cubic centimeters...
So who's out at big orange? I think AS29 would make an excellent #2 rider as long as they fork over a few more cubic centimeters. My guess is MA800 is the odd man out.
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
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kongols wrote:
Wow dude, what a fuck are you smoking? That shit will kill you.
ando wrote:
Sarcasm dude, it's in your sig.
kongols wrote:
So you don`t think newmann has a point? Just to be clear I do think that newmann has a point.
Honestly I think the idea is ludicrous. It might be one rider on the track, but there are a team of people behind the scenes to get the bike ready, the foremost of which is the mechanic. I'll bet most of the mechanics on the line at a National have at one time or another had their own bonuses affected by events on the track that are outside their control e.g. genuine mistakes or bonehead moves by the rider.

It's racing on machinery - failures will happen. As a rider you either accept that or you'd better be prepared to spin the spanners yourself so there's no-one else to blame.
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TripleFive wrote:
So who's out at big orange? I think AS29 would make an excellent #2 rider as long as they fork over a few more cubic centimeters...
So who's out at big orange? I think AS29 would make an excellent #2 rider as long as they fork over a few more cubic centimeters. My guess is MA800 is the odd man out.
bigmaico wrote:
Ding ding ding we have a winner!
Dude, Alessi was on the mend the day DeCoster signed to be the team manager.
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burn1986 9/5/2011 8:13pm
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ive rode several rmz450 and ktm 450s and id say they have similar turning character really. the suzukis no gem they are turds with no top...
ive rode several rmz450 and ktm 450s and id say they have similar turning character really. the suzukis no gem they are turds with no top end end but the race bike is highly polished at this point. despite that upon decoster going to team honda they developed the best race bikes. Suzuki was a also ran for years with their bike and engine design until decoster began managing the race team. that turned out pretty well. i say short finished mostly where he would have this year as did mike alessi. until a top guy in his prime goes there we dont know what will happen. i will say decosters track record of bike development is pretty good. many things were changed to suit him at both suzuki and honda and both had there best times with him steering the ship. dont be surprised when dungey is as much of a threat next year as he was this year. times they are a changin
Good post. Agree x2
Track and Trail 9/5/2011 8:31pm
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For 5 mil. he could lose every race next season and it would still be a good decision. That kind of money would set him and his loved ones up for a long time. Plus, if he sucks on the KTM people will say it was the bikes fault. If he does well people will say he overcame a crappy bike and all sorts of adversity etc.. He'll get another good ride even if he blows it at KTM. Other than possibly hurting his ego and the record books it's a win all around for the Dunge.
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KTM is good enough to win. Roger, Ian and Everts will maker sure.

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JSB 9/5/2011 8:38pm
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, The KTM deal was done over a year ago. That rumor spilled out on the off-road side of KTM.

Anyhow don't be surprised to see the 800 right where he is next year!!!!!!!!!

Oh and JS on a KTM not so far fetched either, he has tested one. Factory KTM no, but isnt Redbull a sponsor of KTM and JS and JS really has no commitment to a bike sponsor hhhmmmmmm gotta love rumors
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hartebreak 9/5/2011 8:41pm
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on Pulp they just talked about the Goose to 22 next year. I was figuring he would follow Dungey to Rogers place but maybe not.
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Track and Trail wrote:
For 5 mil. he could lose every race next season and it would still be a good decision. That kind of money would set him and...
For 5 mil. he could lose every race next season and it would still be a good decision. That kind of money would set him and his loved ones up for a long time. Plus, if he sucks on the KTM people will say it was the bikes fault. If he does well people will say he overcame a crappy bike and all sorts of adversity etc.. He'll get another good ride even if he blows it at KTM. Other than possibly hurting his ego and the record books it's a win all around for the Dunge.
ktms the bull in a bear market right now. theyre obvious commitment in dollars will shine thru quickly and believe me if A kit showa is better thats what will be suspending the bike. jgr has access to works kayaba but they run showa. why? not because yamaha prefers thats for sure. and also not because kayaba is better. forks and shocks are actually quite easy to backwards engineer. im sure ktm buys every ones bikes when new and studys them closely. and im equally sure they can produce a race bike equal to the zook. itll probably be more reliable too!(thats a burn on suzuki)
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gsxr6 9/5/2011 8:46pm
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, The KTM deal was done over a year ago. That rumor spilled out on the off-road side of KTM. Anyhow don't be surprised to see...
, The KTM deal was done over a year ago. That rumor spilled out on the off-road side of KTM.

Anyhow don't be surprised to see the 800 right where he is next year!!!!!!!!!

Oh and JS on a KTM not so far fetched either, he has tested one. Factory KTM no, but isnt Redbull a sponsor of KTM and JS and JS really has no commitment to a bike sponsor hhhmmmmmm gotta love rumors
oo thats gotta make the haters blood just boil! stewart will ride what pays the most. thats easily predictable. maybe he will be on a ktm.
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Faceaz 9/5/2011 8:57pm
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two major things i think Dungey is going to have to work with.....and a few other minor details that will hold him back in the short...
two major things i think Dungey is going to have to work with.....and a few other minor details that will hold him back in the short term.



1) Traction Control - KTM is behind in this area. they are the newest to EFI and will be behind HRC/Kawi/Zook. this is the future and a major factor in results this year. its motogp circa 2006+. over the next few years, its whoever can master the electronics that will have a major equipment advantage. Kawi has a huge head start.

tires dont matter as there arent really any "worx" tires at the moment. so take that out of the equation.

2) Suspension - between the other factory teams, its all six and one-half dozen of the other. the worx stuff is good for at least a second a lap. and at least a half second over the A kit stuff. WP has always been behind in this area. KTM will have to spend some major coin on development to get their stuff up to par with the worx kyb and worx/a-kit showa stuff at this level. but if anyone is willing to put the work in, its dungey. and if anyone can provide the infrastructure, its decoster and ktm.


which brings me to my final point. since decoster has come on board, they have completely revamped their american program in an effort to get it on par with the european tech they run. it wont happen over nite, but eventually, i see no real reason why decoster wont have the ktm america program on level with their gp program. and eventually on par with the american efforts of both HRC and Kawi.


KTM, decoster, and the dunge have their work cut out for them. but if anyone has the budget, know-how, and work ethic to get the job done......its the three parties involved. its a dream team to be honest. ktm will win everything in 2013 imo. and then begin a long run of dominance. i expect some growing pains next year, but from then on, ktm will be a force to be reckoned with.
x2.

With a top rider & a year to get the bike that much better (they haven't had a rider of Dungey's speed), by 2013 they will be at the top of their game.

So the question for which bike, seems like 2 options:

1) They take the EXC motor (which is 6 pounds lighter & has EFI) & put it into their current SX Chassis. - This seems too hodge podge for a top rider & I don't know if they can really do that by the rules.

2) They basically do #1 but introduce it as a 2012 1/2 model.

I'm sure they are much further ahead in development than we know & have some tricks up their sleeves. Just like they've admitted to having a direct injection 2 stroke 250, but aren't introducing it till regulations make them - my guess the cost will increase a bit.
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JSB 9/5/2011 9:00pm
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hartebreak wrote:
on Pulp they just talked about the Goose to 22 next year. I was figuring he would follow Dungey to Rogers place but maybe not.
Goose maybe to the 22, but not to tune the 22. everyones most hated rider CP377 is actually one of the top canidates for that 2nd ride... my pic, Short I think thats the most interesting I think CP move was chicken SH7T but Mitch and Chad like him. Mitch floats chad a few built hondas for CP and deal done!!!!!!!!!!
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gsxr6 9/5/2011 9:05pm
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22 and suzuki are pairing up. this is the first sign.
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Worst deal ever for his career, i don't know why but it's not working for the KTM team in US.Two years of pain to come for Dungey
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Worst deal ever for his career, i don't know why but it's not working for the KTM team in US.Two years of pain to come for...
Worst deal ever for his career, i don't know why but it's not working for the KTM team in US.Two years of pain to come for Dungey
5. Million. Dollars.
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vachon522 9/5/2011 9:35pm
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Track and Trail wrote:
5. Million. Dollars.
This is the only reason i can see
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Tim507 wrote:
Goose's personal bike is a KTM 300Smile
is it?
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vachon522 wrote:
Worst deal ever for his career, i don't know why but it's not working for the KTM team in US.Two years of pain to come for...
Worst deal ever for his career, i don't know why but it's not working for the KTM team in US.Two years of pain to come for Dungey
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5. Million. Dollars.

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