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kongols 8/28/2011 12:34am
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Had this race not been live, nobody would have known the commentating parade lap mistake. What would you rather have? Error free broadcasting and commentating, or...
Had this race not been live, nobody would have known the commentating parade lap mistake. What would you rather have? Error free broadcasting and commentating, or four hours of live motocross?

You people whine and moan, but nobody ever takes notice that this is the first time mx commentators are announcing for a full four hours live! How many of you people can even talk on the phone to your best friend that long? Back in the day, both the motos, track map, pre race interviews, and post interviews were edited down to forty five minutes of extended highlights. This made the racing and commentating appear way more exciting than it probably actually was. Both Weege and Emig have a huge task at hand trying to keep things interesting and exciting when the racing is not so.
Nah, that`s too easy, better let`s bitch about it a little more.
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Hank_Thrill 8/28/2011 12:36am
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Here's my suggestion. Some of you should videotape your television replaying the race, mute the television, do your own commentating. Then, after you are done, upload it to the internet for us to enjoy Smile
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Neutra 8/28/2011 12:59am
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Here's my suggestion. Some of you should videotape your television replaying the race, mute the television, do your own commentating. Then, after you are done, upload...
Here's my suggestion. Some of you should videotape your television replaying the race, mute the television, do your own commentating. Then, after you are done, upload it to the internet for us to enjoy Smile
YEah, and let's see who's the retards. Live tv in hd. What else do you want?
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DC 8/28/2011 6:08am
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Weigandt and Emig were in a sound-proof booth away from the racetrack, their monitors went down, and they had no way of knowing what was going on. But yeah, let's fire them and cancel the rest of the TV shows. That will grow the sport.

TBteam, do you remember when our mutual close friends David Bailey and Art Eckman didn't realize that Sebastien Tortelli won the Los Angeles SX? We had to go back and re-tape the last five minutes of the race and do a fake race call.

Stuff happens. You know, like a hurricane.

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eb313 8/28/2011 6:17am
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Here's an idea, all you guys that think the shows suck, STOP WATCHING. You complain like a bunch of kids, if you can't have it your way you cry. Just enjoy the fact that we can even watch it.
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eb313 8/28/2011 6:20am
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
Had this race not been live, nobody would have known the commentating parade lap mistake. What would you rather have? Error free broadcasting and commentating, or...
Had this race not been live, nobody would have known the commentating parade lap mistake. What would you rather have? Error free broadcasting and commentating, or four hours of live motocross?

You people whine and moan, but nobody ever takes notice that this is the first time mx commentators are announcing for a full four hours live! How many of you people can even talk on the phone to your best friend that long? Back in the day, both the motos, track map, pre race interviews, and post interviews were edited down to forty five minutes of extended highlights. This made the racing and commentating appear way more exciting than it probably actually was. Both Weege and Emig have a huge task at hand trying to keep things interesting and exciting when the racing is not so.
Way back in the day you only got to see a couple of races a year, or go see them in person. The whiners wouldn't go do that, it's too hot, too dusty, can't see from here, costs too much...............
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Weege 8/28/2011 6:22am
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And you have headphones on with producers feeding you real time info, spotters on the track, etc. How the hell do you not know when a...
And you have headphones on with producers feeding you real time info, spotters on the track, etc.

How the hell do you not know when a race begins?

I've never seen anything like that happen in any sport in my life.
Like DC said, we actually didn't have any of that stuff--everything went down in our truck and we had zero info until the end of the first lap, when we then saw the timing feed from that lap. Even then we couldn't see the racing, we just called Barcia as the leader based on the timing feed. It was like announcing a race with only AMA At The Wire as a guide.

We had that problem all day. The first 250 moto, we didn't have a monitor for a good 10 minutes early in the race and you probably didn't notice. Again, we just kept it vague.

C'mon Edwards, do you really think we were watching the race start, and had people in our ear telling us the race had started, and for some reason we just decided not to say it?
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WhKnuckle 8/28/2011 6:28am
8/28/2011 6:28am Edited Date/Time 8/28/2011 6:35am
"TBteam, do you remember when our mutual close friends David Bailey and Art Eckman didn't realize that Sebastien Tortelli won the Los Angeles SX? We had to go back and re-tape the last five minutes of the race and do a fake race call."

What a shitty thing to say. A mud race that (I think) was before live timing and scoring? No disrespect to anyone who's come after them, but Bailey and Eckman were the best ever. My son and I still watch nationals from '01 just because the commentary was so good. At Budds Creek after a big RC crash on the first lap and an epic charge through the field, near the end of the race, "He still thinks he can win the moto." At Kenworthy's, talking about RCs stomach ailment, "Carmichael is the kind of guy who doesn't have time for problems during the race. He'll deal with problems after the race. He's like that tough guy in that movie that said, 'I ain't got time to bleed'. Carmichael is that kind of rider." At Steel City, "Everyone gets a gift today. Carmichael gets a gift, Brown gets a gift, Langston gets - nothing."

And, by the way, I wasn't complaining about it. I just related it to times when I've been watching races, saw a race start and then realized that was my class. Stuff happens.
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426Hemi 8/28/2011 6:33am
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I was a little confused but I didn't get all bent out of shape about it like some on here are.

I didn't see the second moto until it was on speed, and at that point was just happy that i still had power with a hurricane in the area. But let's bitch anyway and be petty about it.
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DC 8/28/2011 6:40am
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White Knuckle, it wasn't shitty to say that -- I was part of the broadcast that night. And they took out the two timing splits at Southwick because the ruts were digging down to the wires. Weege and Fro were literally in an isolation booth, with no way of knowing anything. And Erin was up in the pits, over the hill, where you can't see the track. Half the riders took the parade lap, Dungey was panicking and everyone was confused, including the TV folks.

Art Eckman and David Bailey were the gold standard of American motocross television, and I was extremely lucky to get to work with them for several years, but even they made mistakes, which was the point of my comment. It was bad weather in Los Angeles that night too. Things can and will go sideways when you're trying to cover an open-air motocross race in a rainstorm.

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White Knuckle, it wasn't shitty to say that -- I was part of the broadcast that night. And they took out the two timing splits at...
White Knuckle, it wasn't shitty to say that -- I was part of the broadcast that night. And they took out the two timing splits at Southwick because the ruts were digging down to the wires. Weege and Fro were literally in an isolation booth, with no way of knowing anything. And Erin was up in the pits, over the hill, where you can't see the track. Half the riders took the parade lap, Dungey was panicking and everyone was confused, including the TV folks.

Art Eckman and David Bailey were the gold standard of American motocross television, and I was extremely lucky to get to work with them for several years, but even they made mistakes, which was the point of my comment. It was bad weather in Los Angeles that night too. Things can and will go sideways when you're trying to cover an open-air motocross race in a rainstorm.

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You need to get a sawsall and cut a big hole in the side of the truck...lol!
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DC 8/28/2011 6:45am
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Good idea, machine. At Steel City this weekend we are putting them up in the announcers' tower for a try-out on what that would be like. The trick is to remember to call what's happening on the screen and not what's happening on the other side of the track, which the viewers can't see, unless it's unavoidable.

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WhKnuckle 8/28/2011 6:48am
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You don't have to bring a behind the scenes backhand slap at Bailey and Eckman to make your point. Like I said, I've been standing right beside tracks and realized that the race that just started was my race - stuff happens.

I don't know what's going on with this sport these days - so much insider intrigue, dividing up a damn small pie into tiny slivers that aren't enough for anyone, alliances and enemies - Good lord, it's a niche sport that only appeals to a very small fraction of the population. Nobody should care about these little things. I wish the Lords of Motocross realized they were really big frogs in a really small (and rapidly shrinking) pond and stop with all the behind-the-scenes baloney.
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DC 8/28/2011 6:54am
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White Knuckle, I have no idea what you're talking about. The sport and this series seems to be doing pretty good right now, bad economy and all. Lots of people turned out in hurricane conditions to watch a race. No intrigue there, just pure enthusiasm.

I mentioned our bad night in Los Angeles as a case in point. You have turned it into an imaginary back-hand slap at my old broadcasting partners. I am defending the two guys who are getting blasted today for something that was out of their control.

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FreshTopEnd 8/28/2011 7:01am
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WhKnuckle wrote:
You don't have to bring a behind the scenes backhand slap at Bailey and Eckman to make your point. Like I said, I've been standing right...
You don't have to bring a behind the scenes backhand slap at Bailey and Eckman to make your point. Like I said, I've been standing right beside tracks and realized that the race that just started was my race - stuff happens.

I don't know what's going on with this sport these days - so much insider intrigue, dividing up a damn small pie into tiny slivers that aren't enough for anyone, alliances and enemies - Good lord, it's a niche sport that only appeals to a very small fraction of the population. Nobody should care about these little things. I wish the Lords of Motocross realized they were really big frogs in a really small (and rapidly shrinking) pond and stop with all the behind-the-scenes baloney.
What's going on it the sport these days is you may be spending to much time giving too much credit to the internet town square.

Sheesh, this is the benchmark incident for all that's wrong in the sport? it was a glitch. A lot of people were busting their asses to get a race on while half the east coast was barking about when the storm was going to hit. Let's swing another hard one at their nuts.

People would gut Eckman on the internet if he was still announcing.
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GILLETT 8/28/2011 7:03am
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Weigandt and Emig were in a sound-proof booth away from the racetrack, their monitors went down, and they had no way of knowing what was going...
Weigandt and Emig were in a sound-proof booth away from the racetrack, their monitors went down, and they had no way of knowing what was going on. But yeah, let's fire them and cancel the rest of the TV shows. That will grow the sport.

TBteam, do you remember when our mutual close friends David Bailey and Art Eckman didn't realize that Sebastien Tortelli won the Los Angeles SX? We had to go back and re-tape the last five minutes of the race and do a fake race call.

Stuff happens. You know, like a hurricane.

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I am glad you cleared that up. I assumed they were able to see everything all the time. I jumped on the bandwagon last night and did a little hacking on Emig, and now i take it back. Thanks DC.Wink And I am serious about this post. I say that with zero sarcasm.Smile
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Funny, I thought my feed had gone out of sync! haha. Weird!
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Hoov 8/28/2011 7:16am
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It was such a crazy thing that was going on, with Dungeys bike not being at the line and we were freakin out about that...and then what we were hearing on the broadcast was not even in the realm of reality, and that further freaked us out! In hind sight, considering all the circumstances...It all seems pretty understandable Wink I am truly curious though about why it wasn't edited out before the broadcast?

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nc97 8/28/2011 7:26am
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Emig's clutch slips a little bit when he gets excited Laughing .. Weege ...How can you not like this guy? He seems perfect for the job.. Erin does a good job in my opinion, but she cant seem to say anything right ( for some of you guys).. Oh well guess we should go back to the days of calling a 900 number.
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This place has become overpopulated with whiney school girls.
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Ing 8/28/2011 7:33am
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Sounds to me like the whole set-up was not so great. Put them (announcers) in a sound proof/sight proof room and expect them to call a live race. Accident waiting for a place to happen. JMO
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White Knuckle, it wasn't shitty to say that -- I was part of the broadcast that night. And they took out the two timing splits at...
White Knuckle, it wasn't shitty to say that -- I was part of the broadcast that night. And they took out the two timing splits at Southwick because the ruts were digging down to the wires. Weege and Fro were literally in an isolation booth, with no way of knowing anything. And Erin was up in the pits, over the hill, where you can't see the track. Half the riders took the parade lap, Dungey was panicking and everyone was confused, including the TV folks.

Art Eckman and David Bailey were the gold standard of American motocross television, and I was extremely lucky to get to work with them for several years, but even they made mistakes, which was the point of my comment. It was bad weather in Los Angeles that night too. Things can and will go sideways when you're trying to cover an open-air motocross race in a rainstorm.

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I'm just wondering, why didn't you retape the first couple of laps? I know in the uk it's live, but over here we have hours until it airs.
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FreshTopEnd 8/28/2011 7:59am
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Ing wrote:
Sounds to me like the whole set-up was not so great. Put them (announcers) in a sound proof/sight proof room and expect them to call a...
Sounds to me like the whole set-up was not so great. Put them (announcers) in a sound proof/sight proof room and expect them to call a live race. Accident waiting for a place to happen. JMO
The point is that the commentary track what's on the screen. They ran the track announcers against the video at Hangtown, last year, right, when the TV audio dropped. People bitched about that, too.
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FreshTopEnd 8/28/2011 8:01am
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I'm just wondering, why didn't you retape the first couple of laps? I know in the uk it's live, but over here we have hours until...
I'm just wondering, why didn't you retape the first couple of laps? I know in the uk it's live, but over here we have hours until it airs.
They were on site and people were trying to break the facilities down to get everything out before the storm hit.
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mccread 8/28/2011 8:03am
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It was extremely embarassing for them talking about a parade lap when the race had already started without dungey and reed down in turn one... let alone confusing for the viewer! I knew I had seen them fly off the gate yet they were talking about the parada lap....and I was pretty sure they were racing lol
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Jharper 8/28/2011 8:08am
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WhKnuckle wrote:
You don't have to bring a behind the scenes backhand slap at Bailey and Eckman to make your point. Like I said, I've been standing right...
You don't have to bring a behind the scenes backhand slap at Bailey and Eckman to make your point. Like I said, I've been standing right beside tracks and realized that the race that just started was my race - stuff happens.

I don't know what's going on with this sport these days - so much insider intrigue, dividing up a damn small pie into tiny slivers that aren't enough for anyone, alliances and enemies - Good lord, it's a niche sport that only appeals to a very small fraction of the population. Nobody should care about these little things. I wish the Lords of Motocross realized they were really big frogs in a really small (and rapidly shrinking) pond and stop with all the behind-the-scenes baloney.
I don't think you are following what DC is saying. We all Agree that Art and David are awesome. Art personally came here and helped with our racing series. He's great to listen to live. The point is that even the best make mistakes.

Chock this one up to Murphey's law.
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WhKnuckle 8/28/2011 8:12am
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You don't have to bring a behind the scenes backhand slap at Bailey and Eckman to make your point. Like I said, I've been standing right...
You don't have to bring a behind the scenes backhand slap at Bailey and Eckman to make your point. Like I said, I've been standing right beside tracks and realized that the race that just started was my race - stuff happens.

I don't know what's going on with this sport these days - so much insider intrigue, dividing up a damn small pie into tiny slivers that aren't enough for anyone, alliances and enemies - Good lord, it's a niche sport that only appeals to a very small fraction of the population. Nobody should care about these little things. I wish the Lords of Motocross realized they were really big frogs in a really small (and rapidly shrinking) pond and stop with all the behind-the-scenes baloney.
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I don't think you are following what DC is saying. We all Agree that Art and David are awesome. Art personally came here and helped with...
I don't think you are following what DC is saying. We all Agree that Art and David are awesome. Art personally came here and helped with our racing series. He's great to listen to live. The point is that even the best make mistakes.

Chock this one up to Murphey's law.
I already chalked it up to Murphy's Law, as I said by relating that I've been standing beside the track when my own class started, then realized, "Oh, crap..." That wasn't my point at all.
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DC 8/28/2011 8:21am
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Thanks for understanding that, WhKnuckle. I am sure Fro and Weege are bummed and embarrassed that it happened but what can you do? And FTE is right about why they didn't retape. The worry was trying to break it all down and get it sent by satellite. There might have been no show at that point.

And if the race were today, it would have been canceled. The whole Southwick crew did a kick-ass job and getting that race in rather than pulling the plug. And there was an amazing amount of fans that came out in a weather advisory to enjoy it. Southwick and its fans are core motocross!

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jasonv43 8/28/2011 8:26am
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Thanks for understanding that, WhKnuckle. I am sure Fro and Weege are bummed and embarrassed that it happened but what can you do? And FTE is...
Thanks for understanding that, WhKnuckle. I am sure Fro and Weege are bummed and embarrassed that it happened but what can you do? And FTE is right about why they didn't retape. The worry was trying to break it all down and get it sent by satellite. There might have been no show at that point.

And if the race were today, it would have been canceled. The whole Southwick crew did a kick-ass job and getting that race in rather than pulling the plug. And there was an amazing amount of fans that came out in a weather advisory to enjoy it. Southwick and its fans are core motocross!

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DC,

Did everybody manage to get out of town without any major issues? That is what I was concerned about most.
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CamP 8/28/2011 8:29am
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Shit happens, especially during live broadcasts while a hurricane is blowing in.

The production team did a good job, all things considered.

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