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the most versatile MX/SX rider (besides RC)?

Stanton? JMB? RJ? Ward? Emig? Windham?
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5/17/2008 5:56pm
Gotta go with Steve Wise on this one.

Won at SX
Won at MX
Won at Road Racing
Won at Superbikers

Pretty much an excellent all-around racer.
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5/17/2008 5:56pm
Larocco or Ward.
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Doug Henry
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5/17/2008 5:57pm Edited Date/Time 5/17/2008 5:58pm
Bailey? Oh, I shoulda said within the sports of MX/SX, not those who jumped to other sports.

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Jeff Ward SX/MX/SuperMoto

Doug Henry SX/MX/GNCC/Super Moto He's probably done some AX as well.
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5/17/2008 6:02pm
Honestly, it's really too difficult to narrow down to just one guy.
But, if you are including dirt bike greats, don't forget Stefan Everts.
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I was referring to all different track conditions/styles. A guy who would win regardless of the terrain and weather.
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Hannah ,125 250 and SX chairmanships with style and deep fields, When he retired from racing Hannah held the record for the most career wins in both SX and MX, He won 500cc moto's too, Something RC cant claim.
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Spinner wrote:
Honestly, it's really too difficult to narrow down to just one guy.
But, if you are including dirt bike greats, don't forget Stefan Everts.
Has everts ever won a SX, even a euro bullshit SX?
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henry and kdub and of course mcgrath 2 close 2 call
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henry and kdub and of course mcgrath 2 close 2 call
I was debating about MC. But, it seemed to me that he'd back off if the situation wasn't to his liking (outdoors). I don't recall him being really good in the mud, either.
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5/17/2008 6:08pm
Gotta be JMB.

He reached the absolute top in World GPs ( MX ), then the US SX and MX titles. Finally he did the full road race GP thing and was a top 5 or 6 guy I believe.

I don't think Supermoto comes even close to the GPs as far as difficulty and level of competition.
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John Dowd. Or Ryno
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5/17/2008 7:07pm
I'd have to say Henry won in the mud, hard pack and sand. It didn't matter that guy could go fast on it.
So he is up there. But I'd have to give the edge to LaRocco because he also won a 500 title.
You gotta be versatile to win both a 250 and a 500 championship. Plus not to mention racing both classes every weekend.


If your question was only SX then it would be MC hands down.. Even if Ricky was in that one.. MC in his day was unbeatable.

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5/17/2008 7:09pm
What about Bradshaw, even though he only lasted a short time. Did he really need certain conditions, or could he just put it down anywhere?

What about DeCoster (yeah, I know, no real SX)? Outdoors, did the conditions seem to make a difference to that guy?
5/17/2008 7:47pm
has anyone mentioned Malcolm Smith?
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has anyone mentioned Malcolm Smith?
Now you're talkin'. But, what was his deal with MX? Wasn't he bigger in the ISDT stuff? Holy cow, there isn't even a wikipedia page about him!
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5/17/2008 7:57pm
jtomasik wrote:
I was referring to all different track conditions/styles. A guy who would win regardless of the terrain and weather.
I would have to say Reed. He can will indoors. Top three outdoors and ride the holy shit out of the mud.

But wait a minute, this is a moto board and a rider’s actual talent level makes no difference if all the “hard core” guys think he’s a dough bag.
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has anyone mentioned Malcolm Smith?
jtomasik wrote:
Now you're talkin'. But, what was his deal with MX? Wasn't he bigger in the ISDT stuff? Holy cow, there isn't even a wikipedia page about...
Now you're talkin'. But, what was his deal with MX? Wasn't he bigger in the ISDT stuff? Holy cow, there isn't even a wikipedia page about him!


Malcom was always one of my favorites when I was a kid growing up but the sport has changed.

I can't think of anyone that loved riding a dirtbike more than Malcom.
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has anyone mentioned Malcolm Smith?
jtomasik wrote:
Now you're talkin'. But, what was his deal with MX? Wasn't he bigger in the ISDT stuff? Holy cow, there isn't even a wikipedia page about...
Now you're talkin'. But, what was his deal with MX? Wasn't he bigger in the ISDT stuff? Holy cow, there isn't even a wikipedia page about him!
Malcom was more into desert racing.
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5/17/2008 8:10pm Edited Date/Time 5/17/2008 8:10pm
Actually, Reed's a good call. I never even thought of him. I knew one or two would slip through the cracks.
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5/17/2008 9:13pm Edited Date/Time 5/17/2008 9:14pm
Jeremy McGrath, his supercross accolades aside, the guy hauled the mail outdoors. Don't forget he had a motocross championship also.
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5/17/2008 9:27pm Edited Date/Time 5/17/2008 9:28pm
Mike Alessi. Attitude, determination, rising over bias. The guy is a survivor.
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Mike Alessi. Attitude, determination, rising over bias. The guy is a survivor.
Wow, who knew Mike Alessi posted here?Dry
5/18/2008 7:49am
Bayle, of course !!!

2 times MX world champion (125 and 250), 3 times US champion (250 SX and MX, 500 MX).
World championship road racer on 250cc and 500cc machines , 3 poles positions!

Has won several supermoto races in Europe. Able to ride "trial" very well. Has won "french GNCC" races too. Very good in bike downhill races.

And actually not so bad in the french rally car championship...
5/18/2008 7:54am
I know he hasn't done much lately, but I have to put a vote in for James Stewart.
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5/18/2008 7:59am
I know he hasn't done much lately, but I have to put a vote in for James Stewart.
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5/18/2008 8:21am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 7:00pm
Doing it all? Only one name, Dick Mann.

[edit] Racing career

[edit] 1950s
In the summer of 1954 he started touring as an amateur with professional Al Gunter.[1] Mann turned expert in 1955, and finished seventh on a Harley Davidson in his first Grand National race, the Daytona 200. At this time it was competed on the Daytona Beach Road Course.[1][3] He slowly made a name for himself in his first three years, and he finished in the top ten in the season points for the first time in 1957.[1] He had second place finished at the Daytona 200 and Laconia in 1958. He had his first national victory at the Peoria, Illinois Tourist Trophy (TT) in 1959.[3] [1] He finished second in points in that year.[1][3]


[edit] 1960s
In 1963 Mann won his first AMA Grand National title.[1] He had five podium finishes. He clinched the title by winning on September 21 Ascot Park in Gardena, California.[1]

He continued to win races and place high in the points standings before his next title eight years later.[1] He also helped pioneer motocross during that time, and raced in several motocross races in the 1960s and early 1970s.[1] He represented the United States in the Trans-Atlantic Match Races.[1] The series faced little-known American racers against Great Britain's well-known pavement riders.[1]


[edit] 1970s
Mann started the decade with one the biggest wins of his career.[1] He won the 1970 Daytona 200, a race that he had not won in fifteen attempts.[1] Mann beat former world champion Mike Hailwood, and rising stars Gene Romero and Gary Nixon.[1] It was the first win by Honda in an AMA national,[1] and it happened at the series' premiere event.

In 1971 Mann won his second Grand National title on a BSA.[3] He became the oldest series champion in the history of the series.[1] He won the 1971 season opener at the Houston TT. He won his second Daytona 200 in the second race of the season. Mann also won road races at Pocono Raceway and Kent, Washington.[1] He was named AMA's Most Popular Driver of the Year in 1971.[1] Mann became the first rider to win motorcycle racing's career Grand Slam by winning in Grand National on mile, half mile, TT, and road racing circuits.[1]

Mann won races in 1972.[1] His final win as at Peoria, the site of his first win.[3] He was competitive in 1973, and finished in the Top 10 in points at age 40.[1]

Mann retired in 1974.[1] He had raced in 240 nationals, and he finished in the Top 10 in points in every season except one between 1957 and 1973.[1]

In 1975 Mann returned to his trail riding roots. He competed on the United States International Six Days Trial team (now the International Six Days Enduro) on the Isle of Man, earning a third place finish.[1] [3]

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Bailey? Oh, I shoulda said within the sports of MX/SX, not those who jumped to other sports.
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